Jets Fans Hammer Idzik For Playing It Safe

[AFJF]

I think this is a valid point.  If you look back at last season, teams that had all these saught after corners that he Jets ruined their season by not signing, didnt really have that much better of a year vs. the pass than the Jets.  For example:

 

Pats - w/ Talib - basically had identical #'s to the Jets vs. the pass

Bucs - w/ Revis - 100 or so less yards against but let up 5 more TD's

Cards - w/ Peterson - 200 or less yards against but let up 6 more TD's

Broncos - w/ DRC - they let up more yards and more TD's

 

The only teams that were considerably better vs. the pass than the Jets who had an available FA were the Titans w/ Verner and they sucked, the Dolphags w/ Grimes and they sucked and the Colts w/ Davis and they were good.

 

Now obviously, there is more to the story with a lot of these teams and its not that black and white but the Jets possibly had the worst CB play in the league with a defense that was dominant vs. the run and still compared well vs. these teams that had all these great corners we're missing out on. 

 

Yeah but still....

[Bugg]

That's fine.

 

It still doesn't change the fact that he got burned over and over last year. People are over-reacting to a bad preseason game 1 by Patterson, he's a capable player. I'm not implying he'll be some miraculous diamond in the rough that Idzik discovered, but he'll be the type of capable role-player we need in the secondary. Like the rest of the guys there. None of them are flashy, but all of them are capable of doing their job.

 

When you have a front 7, pass rush specialists and safeties like we do... maybe all you need are corners who can do their job. 

 

Top paid and playing corners are scattered around the league. The ones on winning teams win because of their QBs. It's funny how quick we forget how Revis has ZERO impact on Tampa winning games last year. ZERO. 

 

In Goodell's NFL the role of the corner should be to gently tackle the WR after he catches the ball. Like I've said all week, the only way to really REALLY disrupt a passing offense is to kill the QB. Elite coverage is nice to have, but not essential to winning. Great QB play is essential to everything in the NFL.

And the greast defensive genius Rex Ryan has produced a serious pass rush or a great pass rusher....when? It's been a hallmark of the Jets under Ryan to play very good defense to a point. But they've been done in by 2 things; a 3 and out offense that keeps them on the field all day, and the total lack of a pass rush when the game is on the line. Despite his clear indifference to offense, you would think sacking the QB would be a bigger deal than bragging about 4th best running defense. Think again. And in Goodell's NFL the rules beg teams to pass. The play is going to break down and the QB will complete a pass to someone for a big play if he is not taken down. The Jets do not do that. 

[Bugg]

I'm not upset about anything Idzik has done, ,I am on board,,dont spend big until u know u r a consistent playoff chaellenging team

Then don't ask fans to buy PSLs, tickets and jerseys for a team you are telling them upfront is not a serious playoff contender. And for any NFL team in 2014 that is disgraceful. 

[SouthernJet]

Then don't ask fans to buy PSLs, tickets and jerseys for a team you are telling them upfront is not a serious playoff contender. And for any NFL team in 2014 that is disgraceful. 

huh, that makes zero sense. If u dont realize we arent serious perennial contenders yet, then , well, never mind LOL

 

Its the genesis of a team. Seattle took 3 years. He is following that model

[Integrity28]

And the greast defensive genius Rex Ryan has produced a serious pass rush or a great pass rusher....when? It's been a hallmark of the Jets under Ryan to play very good defense to a point. But they've been done in by 2 things; a 3 and out offense that keeps them on the field all day, and the total lack of a pass rush when the game is on the line. Despite his clear indifference to offense, you would think sacking the QB would be a bigger deal than bragging about 4th best running defense. Think again. And in Goodell's NFL the rules beg teams to pass. The play is going to break down and the QB will complete a pass to someone for a big play if he is not taken down. The Jets do not do that. 

 

The Jets signed Babin. He is recognized league-wide as an excellent pass-rush specialist. In addition to Babin, we also have Pace who enjoyed his best season rushing the passer under Rex, and Coples who has looked better every year in his transition to LBer with a focus on rushing the passer. 

 

In addition to those 3 individuals, you have to also consider the way Rex schemes to attack protections. Using unconventional pass rushers and formations to get to the QB. In Rex's best years, the years where his pass defense thrived, it wasn't solely because Revis. It had A LOT to do with him scheming to get to the QB. The times we've gone up against the Patriots and beaten them it hasn't been because Revis. It has been because we knocked the sh*t out of Brady. 

 

There is literally NOBODY in the NFL that would question whether or not Rex knows how to generate a pass rush, even if he doesn't have the perfect personnel for it. 

 

I'm not exactly Rex's biggest fan, but you are laying your agenda on so thick it's stupid.

[JetsFanInDenver]

We had that guy as a GM. The guy who overpaid for mediocre talent and who was named along the lines of Trader Joe. We were in every trade rumor, made trades, gave up draft picks, oversized contracts, lived thru the excitement of the mini-draft. It was considered whimpy to have more than 4 picks in a draft or be way below the salary cap. Never a dull moment. Those were the days. 

 

And then everyone would lament why we didn't have a guy who was wise and never traded draft picks away, managed the salary cap and focus on building a team through the draft. I think that's how we got Idzik. What a kill joy he has been. Adding talent to the team the boring way. Where is the circus I ask ya ?

[stoicsentry]

What's the difference between a cheap, damaged Cro and a cheap, mediocre Patterson?

 

Nothing.

 

One has a chance to play well, the other has no chance at all.

 

But OK, enjoy your little GM and his coupon clipping ways. Hope you have fun watching the Jets get torched because they're starting a linebacker at corner.

[Integrity28]

One has a chance to play well, the other has no chance at all.

 

But OK, enjoy your little GM and his coupon clipping ways. Hope you have fun watching the Jets get torched because they're starting a linebacker at corner.

 

I'm not sure anyone here believes that you actually believe what you say anymore. You lay it on too thick. 

[GenoandtheJets]

John Idzik has George Costanza Cheapness Characteristics. He did a very bad effort trying to improve this team. The Secondary still is putrid.

If Cheapness is a sense then John Idzik has that sense lol.

[Jetlife33]

John Idzik has George Costanza Cheapness Characteristics. He did a very bad effort trying to improve this team. The Secondary still is putrid.

If Cheapness is a sense then John Idzik has that sense lol.

So you don't think the Jets improved at S,TE,WR,QB, or RB? Those units all got stronger this past offseason. I think to say that it was a bad effort seems a little harsh just because we're thin at corner.

[Integrity28]

John Idzik has George Costanza Cheapness Characteristics. He did a very bad effort trying to improve this team. The Secondary still is putrid.

If Cheapness is a sense then John Idzik has that sense lol.

English as a second language?

[TnT]

I think when people say that Patterson sucks they show how little they actually know.

Pattersons played 8 games in 2 yrs...think its ok to shake some rust off?

Last year Patterson had 4 int's in 6 games and was pretty solid cover in that 6 game stretch. They raved about him on the radio down here, and rightfully so.

If you want to critique Idzik for signing an injury risk...ok

But he signed a solid corner in DP.

Im amazed at the sh#t people write here, and most of those wont even cheer for him if he starts to turn it around... Just continue to hate in order not to be wrong.

[ylekram]

I think when people say that Patterson sucks they show how little they actually know.

Pattersons played 8 games in 2 yrs...think its ok to shake some rust off?

Last year Patterson had 4 int's in 6 games and was pretty solid cover in that 6 game stretch. They raved about him on the radio down here, and rightfully so.

If you want to critique Idzik for signing an injury risk...ok

But he signed a solid corner in DP.

Im amazed at the sh#t people write here, and most of those wont even cheer for him if he starts to turn it around... Just continue to hate in order not to be wrong.

solid,injury riddled corner. oxymoron? kinda like jumbo shrimp

[RutgersJetFan]

I like how this is an article based on a handful of pudsteaks from the board.

[RutgersJetFan]

They raved about him on the radio down here, and rightfully so.

Miami sports talk supported him? Well, this changes everything.

[ylekram]

I like how this is an article written by a pudsteak from the board.

fixed

[Matt39]

Fourth-round pick Jalen Saunders is expected to make the Jets' roster as their primary punt returner.

He'll "be no better than the fifth or sixth receiver." Saunders' Dynasty league outlook is similarly bleak. At just over 5-foot-8, 165, the odds are heavily against Saunders ever making a consistent impact in an NFL passing game.

He better be really f'ing good at returning punts.

[shasta14]

was thinking same thing..if revis goes down 'again' do Pats get slammed for being short sighted at CB?

 

That's not an equal comparison. The fact that the Jets went into camp counting on a very suspect underachieving first round pick, a third round rookie and basically a jag on his last legs, all penciled into starting positions of an area of weakness, it's perfectly worthy of criticism. Injuries happen, players will go down, but if you have weak players starting and even weaker players backing them up when there is no reason you couldn't have added a few more quality pieces, then when that does happen there should be criticism as to why there wasn't a better plan in place.  

[Bleedin Green]

He better be really f'ing good at returning punts.

 

You're actually citing fantasy football news in an attempt to make an argument about the career prospects of a 4th round pick that is one preseason game into his NFL career.  Just stop and think about that for a second.

[AFJF]

I like how this is an article based on a handful of pudsteaks from the board.

 

 

The "Pud Steak" was, for all intents and purposes, a deluxe cheesesteak. This one boasted a half pound of rib eye, provolone, fried onions, house roasted long hots, hot sauce, and tomato sauce. The hot sauce was barely there, but the rest was spot on. The meat was tender and well seasoned, the long hots added a bit of kick, and the prov kept every bite cheesy.

 

http://www.phillyphoodie.com/2012/08/henry-james-saloon.html

 

[ylekram]

That's not an equal comparison. The fact that the Jets went into camp counting on a very suspect underachieving first round pick, a third round rookie and basically a jag on his last legs, all penciled into starting positions of an area of weakness, it's perfectly worthy of criticism. Injuries happen, players will go down, but if you have weak players starting and even weaker players backing them up when there is no reason you couldn't have added a few more quality pieces, then when that does happen there should be criticism as to why there wasn't a better plan in place.  

aside from your assessment of milliner(if he can stay on the field,he will be a serious player in this league) I couldn't agree more. like I said before,idzik had a plan for cb, his plan just failed miserably for one reason or another. the final product that will start at cb week 1, is not what idzik imagined before the start of free agency. call it bad luck,inexperience, smart moves,etc. call it whatever you want. at the end of the day,a failure is a failure whatever your intentions were

[CTM]

Dead serious. The smart* bet was to go and sign veteran corners.

[shasta14]

aside from your assessment of milliner(if he can stay on the field,he will be a serious player in this league) I couldn't agree more. like I said before,idzik had a plan for cb, his plan just failed miserably for one reason or another. the final product that will start at cb week 1, is not what idzik imagined before the start of free agency. call it bad luck,inexperience, smart moves,etc. call it whatever you want. at the end of the day,a failure is a failure whatever your intentions were

 

Fair enough although I didn't see anything from Milliner last year that suggests "he will be a serious player in this league". He was beyond awful for most of the season so weighing the three or so games in which he didn't embarrass himself more than the 12 games he shouldn't have even been on the field is a little suspect. Time will tell.

[ylekram]

Fair enough although I didn't see anything from Milliner last year that suggests "he will be a serious player in this league". He was beyond awful for most of the season so weighing the three or so games in which he didn't embarrass himself more than the 12 games he shouldn't have even been on the field is a little suspect. Time will tell.

the statement you just made basically refers to most,if not all rookie corners. tough position to learn and the good ones eventually fight thru it. even in the games that he didn't play well, you could see the talent level that this kid possesses.he just needs to fight thru the mistakes he was making. mental errors,not physical inabilities. although his injury history makes me a little nervous

[shasta14]

the statement you just made basically refers to most,if not all rookie corners. tough position to learn and the good ones eventually fight thru it. even in the games that he didn't play well, you could see the talent level that this kid possesses.he just needs to fight thru the mistakes he was making. mental errors,not physical inabilities. although his injury history makes me a little nervous

 

Maybe, but all rookies that make it into the NFL are talented. Only time will tell which make it, which don't.

[dbatesman]

Maybe, but all rookies that make it into the NFL are talented. Only time will tell which make it, which don't.

 

[Larz]

I can't see how Patterson was an upgrade over Cromartie. I just don't. Cromartie wasn't all that good for us last season, but prior years he was on point. And he had good health.. sort of. At least he stayed on the field and was a playmaker.

 

cro went from stud to dud in one year.  I think the jets were scared by the injury

 

we'll see

 

either way patterson straight up sux and is not an upgrade over anyone

[ylekram]

Maybe, but all rookies that make it into the NFL are talented. Only time will tell which make it, which don't.

come on now! you know there is a difference

[SickJetFan]

"Playing it safe" would have been to go out and overpay two veteran corners. It took some guts (and brains) to rely on your draft picks to man positions long-term.

hmmm that one way to look at it

 

another way is this tool Idziot is in way over his head

[SickJetFan]

Jets fans are stupid.

lol whatever asswipe why dont you just go S**k his D**k if you like him so much

[SickJetFan]

Looking how his hand picked RT looked in Colts game I think we may have an even bigger issue looming because this guy is lost.

[#27TheDominator]

hmmm that one way to look at it

 

another way is this tool Idziot is in way over his head

 

 

lol whatever asswipe why dont you just go S**k his D**k if you like him so much

 

 

Why are you so hostile?  Is it because Idziot has not caught on the way that Izdick has?  

[Arsis]

lol whatever asswipe why dont you just go S**k his D**k if you like him so much

You think he'd let me. That would be so cool.

[SickJetFan]

Why are you so hostile?  Is it because Idziot has not caught on the way that Izdick has?  

oh so your not a jet fan i take it

[Villain The Foe]

I can't see how Patterson was an upgrade over Cromartie. I just don't. Cromartie wasn't all that good for us last season, but prior years he was on point. And he had good health.. sort of. At least he stayed on the field and was a playmaker.

what? he stayed on the field, but he certainly wasn't a playmaker last year. Cromartie was terrible because he should have been off the field taking care of his hip. The only difference between Patterson and Cro last year was that Patterson was off the field when injured and Cro was on it getting torched.