pointman Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/41647/jets-camp-report-day-20 On Hill: If I were the Jets, I'd look to trade him for a cornerback. He might draw some interest because of his potential and his reasonable contract. Asked about Hill's lack of progress, Rex Ryan praised his blocking, akin to complimenting a blind date on her great personality. On Pryor: After a slow start because of a concussion, rookie safety Calvin Pryor is starting to assert himself. He's feeling frisky, and that was evident in practice, particularly when he jolted wide receiver Saalim Hakim on a crossing route. The Jets' first-round pick can expect a heavy workload Saturday night against the Cincinnati Bengals. He'll play a little with the starters, a lot with the backups and some with the backups' backups. "I think the guy has a chance to be big time," defensive coordinator Dennis Thurman said Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/jets/post/_/id/41647/jets-camp-report-day-20 On Hill: On Pryor: Jets have been offered this for Hill so far: Edited August 13, 2014 by SouthernJet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 Hurry up and take it Idzik!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 If we're getting back a CB that is as good at covering receivers as Hill is at his job we'd have better luck just playing Hill at CB. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 This thread is going to be a classic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Jets have been offered this for Hill so far: They just upped the offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Tanny just took a job with some team, I think he's giving them advice on smoothie making and blockbuster trades. DO IT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 That time he lit up Salim Hakim in practice tho 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Trading Quinton Coples would be the far better decision if we're doing a player for player swap. He has value as a 4-3 end. Hill has very little value in the trade market at the moment so we might as well see if the lightbulb can ever go on for him. Just because we have a lot of bodies at WR doesn't mean we have depth there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Trading Quinton Coples would be the far better decision if we're doing a player for player swap. He has value as a 4-3 end. Hill has very little value in the trade market at the moment so we might as well see if the lightbulb can ever go on for him. Just because we have a lot of bodies at WR doesn't mean we have depth there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiF Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) Tanny just took a job with some team, I think he's giving them advice on smoothie making and blockbuster trades. DO IT. The Dolphags, right? That would be awesome. Think they'll come off on Grimes for him? That time he lit up Salim Hakim in practice tho Why did you come back? The site really was actually getting back to being a place you could have a decent Football conversation. Edited August 13, 2014 by JiF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiF Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Trading Quinton Coples would be the far better decision if we're doing a player for player swap. He has value as a 4-3 end. Hill has very little value in the trade market at the moment so we might as well see if the lightbulb can ever go on for him. Just because we have a lot of bodies at WR doesn't mean we have depth there. No 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 That time he lit up Salim Hakim in practice tho You're such a penis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 You're such a penis. You are what you eat. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 No Which player is more beast: Stephen Hill or Coples? I know they're both beast because they're Jets, but which is beastier? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiF Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Which player is more beast: Stephen Hill or Coples? I know they're both beast because they're Jets, but which is beastier? Coples is a beast. Hill sucks but he's still doesnt suck as bad as you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Trading Quinton Coples would be the far better decision if we're doing a player for player swap. He has value as a 4-3 end. Hill has very little value in the trade market at the moment so we might as well see if the lightbulb can ever go on for him. Just because we have a lot of bodies at WR doesn't mean we have depth there. Did you see Babin trying to set the edge Thursday night? No thank you. Do you really want to go with Garrett McIntyre at OLB all year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 You're crave penis. +1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stugotz81 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 How about trade David Harris for a CB. Seems more logical than Coples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Trading Quinton Coples would be the far better decision if we're doing a player for player swap. He has value as a 4-3 end. Hill has very little value in the trade market at the moment so we might as well see if the lightbulb can ever go on for him. Just because we have a lot of bodies at WR doesn't mean we have depth there. The Jets should be listening to all offers, but if they hear this one, they should turn it down. If a guy like Enunwa is really making a push to start, then dangling Hill makes sense. At least to see if anyone wants to bite. Otherwise, with the depth they have on their DL, I'd move Ellis or Douzable for the right CB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted August 13, 2014 Author Share Posted August 13, 2014 How about trade David Harris for a CB. Seems more logical than Coples. No one wants that overpaid, slow, can't cover, mute. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 That time he lit up Salim Hakim in practice tho If Taking on the smallest guy on the team was the goal- should have hit Saunders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Did you see Babin trying to set the edge Thursday night? No thank you. Do you really want to go with Garrett McIntyre at OLB all year? Not particularly but if we're going to put anyone on the block Coples makes the most sense. I wouldn't take anything less than a solid # 2 corner for him though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Not particularly but if we're going to put anyone on the block Coples makes the most sense. I wouldn't take anything less than a solid # 2 corner for him though. No, he doesn't. He's the team's starter at OLB. They can trade backup DL that can start on other teams for a backup CB who can start on the Jets. That's how you get a deal done, by putting together a trade that helps both teams more than it hurts. Trading Coples would hurt. Losing their starting OLB for a starting CB is probably a net negative move for the Jets (depending, of course, on the CB). Losing a guy like Ellis or Douzable, though, would barely be noticed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Nice idea- but what do you think is the market for a raw underachieving to this point wide receiver Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 It's a silly hypothetical anyway. Nobody is giving up a corner who can play at this point. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 It's a silly hypothetical anyway. Nobody is giving up a corner who can play at this point. Yep. League-wide everyone needs corners. It's a seller's market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 Yep. League-wide everyone needs corners. It's a seller's market. To channel my inner stoicsentry, where was Idzik back when it was a buyer's market? Pulling Patterson out of the scratch and dent section? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) To channel my inner stoicsentry, where was Idzik back when it was a buyer's market? Pulling Patterson out of the scratch and dent section? It never was a buyer's market. Even with as many CB's available on the market as there were they were all getting paid ridiculous sums. DRC got $8M per despite finding his way off of 3 different teams. Alterraun Verner, pretty much a pure zoner corner, got $6.5M per. And Vontae Davis, the guy who made the most sense, did not give Indy a hometown discount whatsoever. He got $10M per. Edited August 13, 2014 by Jetsfan80 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 gut check hill winds up with brees or manning or brady you nervous ? I would be everybody needs to chillax. what a bunch of nellies 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 It never was a buyer's market. Even with as many CB's available on the market as there were they were all getting paid ridiculous sums. DRC got $8M per despite finding his way off of 3 different teams. Alterraun Verner, pretty much a pure zoner corner, got $6.5M per. And Vontae Davis, the guy who made the most sense, did not give Indy a hometown discount whatsoever. He got $10M per. The franchise number for CBs this year was just under $12M, it's a premium position. The only guy on the market who got more than was -surprise!- Revis. With Milliner looking pretty good, and only in the second year of his rookie deal, the Jets could've comfortably afforded a $10M/year guy on the other side. Which, for the position, isn't ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 The franchise number for CBs this year was just under $12M, it's a premium position. The only guy on the market who got more than was -surprise!- Revis. With Milliner looking pretty good, and only in the second year of his rookie deal, the Jets could've comfortably afforded a $10M/year guy on the other side. Which, for the position, isn't ridiculous. This is precisely the logic that governed every decision Mike Tannenbaum ever made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 The franchise number for CBs this year was just under $12M, it's a premium position. The only guy on the market who got more than was -surprise!- Revis. With Milliner looking pretty good, and only in the second year of his rookie deal, the Jets could've comfortably afforded a $10M/year guy on the other side. Which, for the position, isn't ridiculous. The market cap of $12M became a reality because of the Asomugha deal with Oakland. Just because it set the bar high for the elite corners doesn't mean the CB's available this offseason were worth the coin they got. We were looking to fill the # 2 CB spot, not the # 1 CB spot. The money being given to 2nd-rate corners like DRC and Munnerlyn wasn't the kind of money Idzik was willing to throw around and rightly so. Milliner was drafted to be our # 1 CB and it shouldn't require spending $7 or $8M at the other spot to make our defense successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 This is precisely the logic that governed every decision Mike Tannenbaum ever made. Yeah, I'm not down on the vast majority of the guy's moves. I had no problem with going safety in the first round, I have no issues with the way he's trying to build the OL, and i didn't mind not taking a QB on the first couple days, etc. But at CB, I think he screwed up, Played it too conservative or took too much of a risk, however you want to look at it. They've got @ $25M in cap space right now. A $10M/year CB with a deal light on guaranteed money would not've hurt them this year or going forward - even if he didn't pan out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 13, 2014 Share Posted August 13, 2014 The market cap of $12M became a reality because of the Asomugha deal with Oakland. Just because it set the bar high for the elite corners doesn't mean the CB's available this offseason were worth the coin they got. We were looking to fill the # 2 CB spot, not the # 1 CB spot. The money being given to 2nd-rate corners like DRC and Munnerlyn wasn't the kind of money Idzik was willing to throw around and rightly so. Milliner was drafted to be our # 1 CB and it shouldn't require spending $7 or $8M at the other spot to make our defense successful. So when Idzik was pursuing Davis, you don't think he was aware that he'd have to go over $7-8M/year? I think even he might disagree with you there. Munnerlyn signed a three year, $11.25M deal. Outrageous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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