shasta14 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2141959-why-new-england-patriots-linebacker-donta-hightower-will-bounce-back-in-2014 Why are you asking me what excuse he needs? You made the excuse that he was out of position. If that excuse is relevant for Hightower, then it is relevant for Coples as well, because it is true. Furthermore Coples went from playing with his hand in the dirt to playing OLB in a 3-4, while Hightower just moved over. Coples transition, given that he never had the chance to lose weight or learn the new position, is a much harder transition, and yet you come here and try to tell us he's a bust. I don't know what world you live in where he "put up great stats", but Hightower was a liability on a bad defense. You don't even know what you are talking about with your own team. Keep telling me I'm a dumb sh*t. It only makes me stronger. I made no such excuse at all, you pointed out that Hightower was some major disappointment last year, he was not, he changed positions and played very well by that positions standards across the NFL. Also I never said anywhere that "he put up great stats", make sh*t up much? I said he played well and put up numbers commensurate of what the rest of NFL's MLBs post do for a season, and yes I do think that's pretty good for a kid in his second year having to take on all the defensive play calling. Now you twist the conversation and cry all you want to about how much harder it is to play LB than DE, but the bottom line is Coples wasn't very impressive a DE, and he was worse at LB. If that changes Ill be the 1st to say you were right, but right now you have no argument any more than you would with Kyle Wilson or Steven Hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I made no such excuse at all, you pointed out that Hightower was some major disappointment last year, he was not, he changed positions and played very well by that positions standards across the NFL. Also I never said anywhere that "he put up great stats", make sh*t up much? I said he played well and put up numbers commensurate of what the rest of NFL's MLBs post do for a season, and yes I do think that's pretty good for a kid in his second year having to take on all the defensive play calling. Now you twist the conversation and cry all you want to about how much harder it is to play LB than DE, but the bottom line is Coples wasn't very impressive a DE, and he was worse at LB. If that changes Ill be the 1st to say you were right, but right now you have no argument any more than you would with Kyle Wilson or Steven Hill. Except he didn't. He played terribly and I wouldn't be shocked if graded out as the worst MLB in the league last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 What bad number are you talking about? You mean the 97 tackles 55 solo, 3 passes deflected an a sack? Maybe you want to compare those with the rest of the starting MLB's in the League before you talk. He played like sh*t. That's what I'm talking about. I'm not comparing him to other MLB's, I'm comparing him to sh*t. sh*t wins. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I made no such excuse at all, you pointed out that Hightower was some major disappointment last year, he was not, he changed positions and played very well by that positions standards across the NFL. Also I never said anywhere that "he put up great stats", make sh*t up much? I said he played well and put up numbers commensurate of what the rest of NFL's MLBs post do for a season, and yes I do think that's pretty good for a kid in his second year having to take on all the defensive play calling. Now you twist the conversation and cry all you want to about how much harder it is to play LB than DE, but the bottom line is Coples wasn't very impressive a DE, and he was worse at LB. If that changes Ill be the 1st to say you were right, but right now you have no argument any more than you would with Kyle Wilson or Steven Hill. No, what's important is the performance of that player under those circumstances. In this case a moronic poster singled out Hightower as a player that supposedly everyone was calling a bust last year, yet Hightower playing out of position at MLB produced 97 tackles a couple of pass deflections a sack. Compare those numbers to all starting MLB's across the League last season and you'll have no choice but to conclude that the poster I was responding to is clueless. Simply put, Coples sucks, at least in terms of his draft status, he failed, Hightower didn't. Are we being "punked?" Where's Ashton? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Except he didn't. He played terribly and I wouldn't be shocked if graded out as the worst MLB in the league last year. Read the article I posted. The whole article is about how he was sh*t last year and maybe, just maybe he'll rebound this year. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2141959-why-new-england-patriots-linebacker-donta-hightower-will-bounce-back-in-2014 Out of position doesn't even begin to cover it. He was an absolute liability on the field last year. That article in the other thread says Coples had the 2nd most QB hits in the league for OLB's, and that was with Coples playing a situational role while 20 pounds too big for the position. Shasta can go **** himheritself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 What does Donta Hightower have to do with Coples? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shasta14 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Learn how to read a stat line. Hightower had 55 total tackles and 42 assists. Urlacher averaged 85+ total tackles. and about 35 assists, giving him an average of 120 combined to Hightower's paltry 97 combined. For comparison purposes, Kyle Clifton, the Jets longtime MLB who was merely a good to almost very good but certainly not great MLB, averaged 133.46 combined tackles per year. Hightower was sh*t as an MLB. You really are as dumb as dog $h^t, your actually comparing a Hall of Fame MLB to a second year player that was pushed into the starting MLB position due to injury? Troll killer why don't you compare Hightower's production to every other starting MLB in the NFL last year? Wouldn't serve your argument would it? Fact is he played well last season and compared favorable to most starting MLB's in the NFL, facts always trump stupidity, don't you understand that yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 What does Donta Hightower have to do with Coples? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 You really are as dumb as dog $h^t, your actually comparing a Hall of Fame MLB to a second year player that was pushed into the starting MLB position due to injury? Troll killer why don't you compare Hightower's production to every other starting MLB in the NFL last year? Wouldn't serve your argument would it? Fact is he played well last season and compared favorable to most starting MLB's in the NFL, facts always trump stupidity, don't you understand that yet? You're gonna need a bigger facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Seriously, why are you so invested in defending this incompetent GM? Are you related to him or something? Are you expecting to enjoy this season the way you enjoyed the triumphant 8-8 season last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Seriously, why are you so invested in defending this incompetent GM? Are you related to him or something? Are you expecting to enjoy this season the way you enjoyed the triumphant 8-8 season last year? and why r u such a hater? take a chill pill, its a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 and why r u such a hater? take a chill pill, its a game. What does it matter if they go 8-8, 13-3 or 0-16! What does it matter! It's just a game right!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Isn't that it's entire point of existence, though? It fails to see it's own flaws and projects them onto others. Thus having some sort of cathartic breakthrough as a result? Hahaha... This is actually reasonably accurate. Not bad... You're both wrong. It wants to fit in with the male species because that's the gender it relates best to. Symbolic penis and all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 What does it matter if they go 8-8, 13-3 or 0-16! What does it matter! It's just a game right!? EXACTLY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Seriously, why are you so invested in defending this incompetent GM? Are you related to him or something? Are you expecting to enjoy this season the way you enjoyed the triumphant 8-8 season last year? Coples was a Tannenbaum pick. How is comparing Coples and Hightower to prove shasta stupid "defending the GM"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 What does it matter if they go 8-8, 13-3 or 0-16! What does it matter! It's just a game right!? You've got salt crammed way way up in that vag, don't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Seriously, why are you so invested in defending this incompetent GM? Are you related to him or something? Are you expecting to enjoy this season the way you enjoyed the triumphant 8-8 season last year? Remember the time "this incompetent GM" drafted Coples? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 EXACTLY. Then why are you here? Go away you're wasting your time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Remember the time "this incompetent GM" drafted Coples? I never blamed him for drafting Coples. He has enough terrible draft picks on his own without pinning Coples on him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Then why are you here? Go away you're wasting your time. Everyone here is wasting their time. Including you. I'll make you a deal, if you go away first we'll all follow. I promise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 You really are as dumb as dog $h^t, your actually comparing a Hall of Fame MLB to a second year player that was pushed into the starting MLB position due to injury? Troll killer why don't you compare Hightower's production to every other starting MLB in the NFL last year? Wouldn't serve your argument would it? Fact is he played well last season and compared favorable to most starting MLB's in the NFL, facts always trump stupidity, don't you understand that yet? NO, HE DIDN'T. Kiko Alonzo had a combined 159 tackles, 2 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 4 INTs. NaVorro Bowman had 145 tackles, 5 sacks, 4 forced fumbled, 2 INTs Vontaze Burfict, an OLB who primarily played inside last year had 171 tackles and 3 sacks Karlos Dansby had 122 tackles, 6.5 sacks, 1 FF and 4 INTs. Jerrell Freeman had 126 tackles, 5.5 sacks, a whopping 6 FF and 2 INTs David Harris had 124 tackles, 2 sacks and a FF AJ Hawk had 118 tackles and 5 sacks D'Qwell Jackson had 141 tackles Luke Kuechly had 156 tackles, 2 sacks and 4 INTs James Laurinitis had 118 tackles 3.5 sacks and 2 INTs Curtis Lofton had 125 tackles, 2 sacks and a FF Paul Pusluszny had 162 tackles, 3 sacks a FF and 2 INTs Riley Perry 115 tackles, 3 sacks, INT Nick Roach 112 tackles, 5.5 sacks, 4 FF, INT DeMeco Ryans 127 tackles, 4 sacks, 2 INTs Daryl Smith 123 tackles, 5 sack, 2 FF, 3 INTs Stephen Tulloch 135 tackles, 3.5 sacks 1 INT Bobby Wagner 120 tackles, 5 sack, 2 INTs Demario Davis 107 tackles, 1 sack, 1 INT Hightower 97 tackles 1 sack, 0 FF, 0 INT Define "compare favorably." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I never blamed him for drafting Coples. He has enough terrible draft picks on his own without pinning Coples on him. It was inferred when you accused me of defending Idzik by defending Coples. Take ownership of your stupidity, at least then we can pretend to respect your conviction. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 NO, HE DIDN'T. Kiko Alonzo had a combined 159 tackles, 2 sacks, 1 forced fumble, 4 INTs. NaVorro Bowman had 145 tackles, 5 sacks, 4 forced fumbled, 2 INTs Vontaze Burfict, an OLB who primarily played inside last year had 171 tackles and 3 sacks Karlos Dansby had 122 tackles, 6.5 sacks, 1 FF and 4 INTs. Jerrell Freeman had 126 tackles, 5.5 sacks, a whopping 6 FF and 2 INTs David Harris had 124 tackles, 2 sacks and a FF AJ Hawk had 118 tackles and 5 sacks D'Qwell Jackson had 141 tackles Luke Kuechly had 156 tackles, 2 sacks and 4 INTs James Laurinitis had 118 tackles 3.5 sacks and 2 INTs Curtis Lofton had 125 tackles, 2 sacks and a FF Paul Pusluszny had 162 tackles, 3 sacks a FF and 2 INTs Riley Perry 115 tackles, 3 sacks, INT Nick Roach 112 tackles, 5.5 sacks, 4 FF, INT DeMeco Ryans 127 tackles, 4 sacks, 2 INTs Daryl Smith 123 tackles, 5 sack, 2 FF, 3 INTs Stephen Tulloch 135 tackles, 3.5 sacks 1 INT Bobby Wagner 120 tackles, 5 sack, 2 INTs Demario Davis 107 tackles, 1 sack, 1 INT Hightower 97 tackles 1 sack, 0 FF, 0 INT Define "compare favorably." That's only part of the story too... the real issue with Hightower was in coverage. Huge liability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 You're both wrong. It wants to fit in with the male species because that's the gender it relates best to. Symbolic penis and all. "Symbolic penis." That was a fun day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 That's only part of the story too... the real issue with Hightower was in coverage. Huge liability. Hence the zero INT. So he sucked in coverage and could only muster 3.44 solo tackles per game. Compare favorably my ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 dumb as dog $h^t, your *you're 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiF Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Shasta is like a Jets fan, a gluten for punishment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Shasta is like a Jets fan, a gluten for punishment. *glutton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I never blamed him for drafting Coples. He has enough terrible draft picks on his own without pinning Coples on him. I too would hate to come away from a draft with the DROY, a solid starter at CB with plenty of upside, our starting QB, and OL depth in one year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I too would hate to come away from a draft with the DROY, a solid starter at CB with plenty of upside, our starting QB, and OL depth in one year. That was a ******* horrible draft you pathetic homer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Shasta is like a Jets fan, a gluten for punishment. This board needs to go gluten free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiF Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 *glutton I'm gluten free theses days... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiF Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 This board needs to go gluten free. The F'ing iPhone auto correct. Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 The F'ing iPhone auto correct. Haha yeah. blame it on auto-correct. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I'm gluten free theses days... Not me, I'm a glutton for gluten. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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