unbanmadmike1 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I too would hate to come away from a draft with the DROY, a solid starter at CB with plenty of upside, our starting QB, and OL depth in one year. You forget to mention that that QB, OL and CB played at the level of literally the worst at their positions in the NFL last season and what you're calling depth and upside is really wishful thinking on your part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Not me, I'm a glutton for gluten. Everyone knows this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeSpenceBlockedPunt Posted August 19, 2014 Author Share Posted August 19, 2014 Don't shoot me for bringing everyone back to the original premise of this post, but now I'm hearing the same rhetoric around Coples that's been said and implied since he got here. That he's about to explode. That he's going to have a monster year. That his stats aren't that bad. Can he just do it on the field consistently already?? I genuinely do not care whether a player is playing out of position, or any other excuse. He was brought in to help this defense and thus far in his career his contribution has been nothing more than mediocre. He may make a play or two but I've watched every single snap of every single Jets game for over 25 years and I can honestly say that he is not contributing nearly enough. In fact, he's on the borderline of becoming a problem. Now he's losing reps to a player that has been making the rounds from team to team (Babin). I think having a legitimate edge rusher would really help this team. It's a key ingredient. Coples mediocre performance is hurting our team. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 You forget to mention that that QB, OL and CB played at the level of literally the worst at their positions in the NFL last season and what you're calling depth and upside is really wishful thinking on your part. Milliner and Geno both showed improvement. That's what you ask for from rookies. This team was left as one of the 2-3 most talent-less teams in the league when Idzik took over. The only "wishful thinking" is that they'd be competitive this quickly. To you, "wishful thinking" is acknowledging that 'Rome wasn't built in a day.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Coples was a Tannenbaum pick. How is comparing Coples and Hightower to prove shasta stupid "defending the GM"? Yeah, I reread that post a couple of times and still couldn't figure out WTF the connection to Idzik was supposed to be there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Don't shoot me for bringing everyone back to the original premise of this post, but now I'm hearing the same rhetoric around Coples that's been said and implied since he got here. That he's about to explode. That he's going to have a monster year. That his stats aren't that bad. Can he just do it on the field consistently already?? I genuinely do not care whether a player is playing out of position, or any other excuse. He was brought in to help this defense and thus far in his career his contribution has been nothing more than mediocre. He may make a play or two but I've watched every single snap of every single Jets game for over 25 years and I can honestly say that he is not contributing nearly enough. In fact, he's on the borderline of becoming a problem. Now he's losing reps to a player that has been making the rounds from team to team (Babin). I think having a legitimate edge rusher would really help this team. It's a key ingredient. Coples mediocre performance is hurting our team. Period. He had the 2nd most quarterback hits of any OLB in the NFL last year despite only playing as a situational pass rusher. Now lets go back to making fun of Shasta and Engraged Michael. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Milliner and Geno both showed improvement. That's what you ask for from rookies. This team was left as one of the 2-3 most talent-less teams in the league when Idzik took over. The only "wishful thinking" is that they'd be competitive this quickly. To you, "wishful thinking" is acknowledging that 'Rome wasn't built in a day.' It's still one of the worst rosters in the league after a season there they went 8-8 and objectively were terrible and outclassed for most of the season until the last month where they started to play well against some bad teams. And they have been terrible so far in preseason. Where is the improvement? They had more resources than any team in the NFL this offseason and they haven't improved at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 It's still one of the worst rosters in the league after a season there they went 8-8 and objectively were terrible and outclassed for most of the season until the last month where they started to play well against some bad teams. And they have been terrible so far in preseason. Where is the improvement? They had more resources than any team in the NFL this offseason and they haven't improved at all. Completely regardless of whether or not I agree with any of your evaluation at all, by definition there is nothing about this which can be qualified as "objectively". All of your statements are inherently purely subjective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shasta14 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I too would hate to come away from a draft with the DROY, a solid starter at CB with plenty of upside, our starting QB, and OL depth in one year. "CB" awful, and will continue to be awful, "Starting QB" "OL depth in one year" it's only depth if you consider sinking up to your eyeballs and drowning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Completely regardless of whether or not I agree with any of your evaluation at all, by definition there is nothing about this which can be qualified as "objectively". All of your statements are inherently purely subjective. All the advanced metrics had the Jets has 3-4 win team that was extremely lucky to win 8 games last season. Their point differential speaks for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 "CB" awful, and will continue to be awful, "Starting QB" "OL depth in one year" it's only depth if you consider sinking up to your eyeballs and drowning. Amazing how bad the Jets were last year and it still took 3 INTs in the 4th Quarter for them not to sweep the mighty Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shasta14 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 He had the 2nd most quarterback hits of any OLB in the NFL last year despite only playing as a situational pass rusher. Now lets go back to making fun of Shasta and Engraged Michael. And that does what exactly? Simple question, how d%mb are you? Who cares how many times he hits the QB if the ball is safely in the receivers hands down field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 "CB" awful, and will continue to be awful, "Starting QB" "OL depth in one year" it's only depth if you consider sinking up to your eyeballs and drowning. **** that. I'm not letting you off that easy mister, or missy or whatever the **** you are... Define "Compare favorably." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 It's still one of the worst rosters in the league after a season there they went 8-8 and objectively were terrible and outclassed for most of the season until the last month where they started to play well against some bad teams. And they have been terrible so far in preseason. Where is the improvement? They had more resources than any team in the NFL this offseason and they haven't improved at all. They are still not going to be a good football team. But, they're better than they were when 6-10 was a miracle and on schedule for a team who was in cap hell and terrible and is now trying not to return to cap hell. I'm not going to talk you out of your own misery, you prefer it anyhow. But, you are the one with wishful thinking if you expected much more out of the team and situation Tannenbaum left us with and no option but a 2nd round QB from the spread offense who'd never taken a snap under center in his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Amazing how bad the Jets were last year and it still took 3 INTs in the 4th Quarter for them not to sweep the mighty Patriots. Remember when Brady couldnt complete 48% of his passes vs. the Jets last year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Remember when Brady couldnt complete 48% of his passes vs. the Pats last year? Is this sentence the product of auto-correct too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 And that does what exactly? Simple question, how d%mb are you? Who cares how many times he hits the QB if the ball is safely in the receivers hands down field. Assuming the ball is safely in the hands of the receivers downfield is pretty ******* dumb. Getting a QB hit means the QB was hurried. That, more often than not, leads to bad things for the offense. Learn something about football. Define "Compare favorably." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Is this sentence the product of auto-correct too? Nope. Dumb brains. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Yeah... this guy sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 They are still not going to be a good football team. But, they're better than they were when 6-10 was a miracle and on schedule for a team who was in cap hell and terrible and is now trying not to return to cap hell. I'm not going to talk you out of your own misery, you prefer it anyhow. But, you are the one with wishful thinking if you expected much more out of the team and situation Tannenbaum left us with and no option but a 2nd round QB from the spread offense who'd never taken a snap under center in his life. That was not their only option at QB. I still believe that Teddy Bridgewater is going to make them look like fools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Amazing how bad the Jets were last year and it still took 3 INTs in the 4th Quarter for them not to sweep the mighty Patriots. And let's not forget the referees returning a lost fumble back to the Patriots just for sh*ts and giggles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 And that does what exactly? Simple question, how d%mb are you? Who cares how many times he hits the QB if the ball is safely in the receivers hands down field. Ask Cindy how he feels about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 That was not their only option at QB. I still believe that Teddy Bridgewater is going to make them look like fools. It was their only option last year. Teddy Bridgewater, if he turns out to be a great QB, will then make a lot of teams look bad. However, I do not believe this season he will set anything on fire. And, if the Jets and Geno are as bad as you say they are, they should have a shot at a much better prospect than Bridgewater is/was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shasta14 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Amazing how bad the Jets were last year and it still took 3 INTs in the 4th Quarter for them not to sweep the mighty Patriots. And it's too bad for you that the Jets couldn't sweep the Pats last year because it was the weakest team they've had on the field for a long time. This year, well let just say, 8 wins for this years jets this year, a pipe dream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 It was their only option last year. Teddy Bridgewater, if he turns out to be a great QB, will then make a lot of teams look bad. However, I do not believe this season he will set anything on fire. And, if the Jets and Geno are as bad as you say they are, they should have a shot at a much better prospect than Bridgewater is/was. I actually think Geno will play better this season and the Jets could easily win 4 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 It was their only option last year. Teddy Bridgewater, if he turns out to be a great QB, will then make a lot of teams look bad. However, I do not believe this season he will set anything on fire. And, if the Jets and Geno are as bad as you say they are, they should have a shot at a much better prospect than Bridgewater is/was. Michael lives in a vacuum where the Jets are the only team that ever ****s anything up. It's the same mentality that Jets fans always whine about not drafting Marino as if we were the only team that passed on him. Ask Chiefs fans how they feel about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Yeah... this guy sucks. I was at the N.O. game, the guy owned the field that day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 And it's too bad for you that the Jets couldn't sweep the Pats last year because it was the weakest team they've had on the field for a long time. This year, well let just say, 8 wins for this years jets this year, a pipe dream. At this time last year, I'm sure you had the Jets pegged as 8-8 and nearly sweeping the Pats. No question that is what you thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shasta14 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 They are still not going to be a good football team. But, they're better than they were when 6-10 was a miracle and on schedule for a team who was in cap hell and terrible and is now trying not to return to cap hell. I'm not going to talk you out of your own misery, you prefer it anyhow. But, you are the one with wishful thinking if you expected much more out of the team and situation Tannenbaum left us with and no option but a 2nd round QB from the spread offense who'd never taken a snap under center in his life. Please, the Jets will struggle to win 6 games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Michael lives in a vacuum where the Jets are the only team that ever ****s anything up. It's the same mentality that Jets fans always whine about not drafting Marino as if we were the only team that passed on him. Ask Chiefs fans how they feel about that. So that makes it OK to suck and run your team incompetently! Because there are other bad teams too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 So that makes it OK to suck and run your team incompetently! Because there are other bad teams too! If your team were being run incompetently maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Please, the Jets will struggle to win 6 games. That's getting bookmarked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I actually think Geno will play better this season and the Jets could easily win 4 games. Then great. You have an improved Geno, and the option to stick with him and take the top CB, or the top pass rusher, or the top WR or bail on Geno and take a top QB. Then, in round 2, you get a solid offensive lineman and the biggest weaknesses on this team start to disappear. But, if Geno plays well enough that you don't go into next season needing a QB, this team will be just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 That's getting bookmarked. Seriously is there anyone here who thinks this team won't need a minor miracle to win 8 games again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Seriously is there anyone here who thinks this team won't need a minor miracle to win 8 games again? Ummm. 8 is more than 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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