Jetfan13 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Seriously is there anyone here who thinks this team won't need a minor miracle to win 8 games again? YEP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Please, the Jets will struggle to win 6 games. Seriously?? Troll better or go home. You suck at this and you're just embarrassing yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Then great. You have an improved Geno, and the option to stick with him and take the top CB, or the top pass rusher, or the top WR or bail on Geno and take a top QB. Then, in round 2, you get a solid offensive lineman and the biggest weaknesses on this team start to disappear. But, if Geno plays well enough that you don't go into next season needing a QB, this team will be just fine. If you're OK with punting another season AND if he plays well enough to actually be a long term answer at QB. He could drastically improve from last year and still be a bottom 10 QB in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Ummm. 8 is more than 6. **** yo math. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 YEP Bookmarked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 If you're OK with punting another season AND if he plays well enough to actually be a long term answer at QB. He could drastically improve from last year and still be a bottom 10 QB in the NFL. Your boy Bridgewater cant even beat out Matt Cassal right now , takes time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Bookmarked. very original Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 If you're OK with punting another season AND if he plays well enough to actually be a long term answer at QB. He could drastically improve from last year and still be a bottom 10 QB in the NFL. This is where you lose it. It really doesn't matter if I am ok with it. It's happening one way or another. I have literally no control whatsoever. So even if I did agree with you, I would still be debating you because I refuse to let it affect me in that way anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Bookmarked. Copycat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 If you're OK with punting another season AND if he plays well enough to actually be a long term answer at QB. He could drastically improve from last year and still be a bottom 10 QB in the NFL. I'm "OK with punting another season" as you call it, because the alternative was to spend more money and still not be a competitor. No one has presented a scenario in which we put a contender on the field this season and that is because their was none. Again, you're the one with "wishful thinking" if you thought anything but this was coming. If Geno improves and is still a bottom 10 QB in the NFL, than that wouldn't fall under my point of "if Geno plays well enough that you don't go into next season needing a QB, this team will be just fine," would it? Please actually provide an answer to that, kthx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Your boy Bridgewater cant even beat out Matt Cassal right now , takes time. Yeah, this. Bridgewater may turn into a player, but if Geno is terrible, we have the chance to take a very highly ranked prospect next year. Especially with how bad everyone says we'll be. The Jets aren't a good team right now, but I don't think they're in a bad spot at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 This is where you lose it. It really doesn't matter if I am ok with it. It's happening one way or another. I have literally no control whatsoever. So even if I did agree with you, I would still be debating you because I refuse to let it affect me in that way anymore. He loses it there for another reason. It's not that he doesn't have a right to be upset about "punting a season", he loses it because he thought that somehow spending a lot of money in Free Agency was going to make this team a contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 This year, well let just say, 8 wins for this years jets this year, a pipe dream. This year, this a great sentence this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 He loses it there for another reason. It's not that he doesn't have a right to be upset about "punting a season", he loses it because he thought that somehow spending a lot of money in Free Agency was going to make this team a contender. It's just an insane outlook. The really screwed up part is that I would bet dollars to donuts that if Idzick had spent like a drunken sailor in free agency and traded up in the draft as Mikey wanted, he would be bitching that Idzick made all the wrong moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 And it's too bad for you that the Jets couldn't sweep the Pats last year because it was the weakest team they've had on the field for a long time. This year, well let just say, 8 wins for this years jets this year, a pipe dream. I noticed you haven't mentioned Hightower since I posted the stats of other MLB and ILBs. Define "compare favorably," please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 He loses it there for another reason. It's not that he doesn't have a right to be upset about "punting a season", he loses it because he thought that somehow spending a lot of money in Free Agency was going to make this team a contender. Wrong. It's 2 years of free agency and 2 drafts since this GM has been here and the talent level on the team is just as terrible as when he took over. When does he stop getting a free pass? After 3 punted seasons? 4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I get it. Since Sanchez is gone he needs someone else to blame, the GM is the easiest target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Yeah... this guy sucks. He has shown NOTHING!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Wrong. It's 2 years of free agency and 2 drafts since this GM has been here and the talent level on the team is just as terrible as when he took over. When does he stop getting a free pass? After 3 punted seasons? 4? Since Idzik arrived to clean up Tannenbaum's mess following a 6-10 season: 1. We went 8-8 (a 2-game improvement, if you have trouble with basic arithmetic) 2. We're better at QB 3. We're better at RB 4. We're better at WR 5. We're better at TE 6. We're better at DE 7. We're better at OLB (Barnes >>> Bart Scott/Maybin/Bryan Thomas) 8. We're better at Safety (Eric Smith was still on the roster in 2012. This is a factual statement.) What's the problem with Idzik, again? The only spots on the field we've weakened at are the two OG positions (and as a consequence, the entire OL) by virtue of Brandon Moore retiring and Matt Slauson signing elsewhere (It was a mistake to let him walk). RT is debatable. Ferguson and Mangold's play have declined due to age and the inability to compensate for the weaker G play. That aspect is hardly Idzik's fault. ILB and NT are a wash. Tannenbaum drafted Demario Davis and found Snacks as a UDFA. Well done, Tannenbaum, those are 2 of maybe 3 or 4 positives you can say about this roster as he exited. And at CB, our starting corners in 2012 were Cromartie, Wilson, and Lankster. Revis was injured and then left to lead the Bucs to a 4-12 record. I'd say Dee Milliner's play in the final month of last season gives us hope we might actually be better off at CB than we were in 2012 despite "failing" to spend big money on the position this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Wrong. It's 2 years of free agency and 2 drafts since this GM has been here and the talent level on the team is just as terrible as when he took over. When does he stop getting a free pass? After 3 punted seasons? 4? No, the team is not just as terrible. As evidenced by the fact that it is not in cap hell and it won more games last year, just to mention a few reasons. He stops "getting a free pass" when the team stops improving. That hasn't happened yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Since Idzik arrived to clean up Tannenbaum's mess following a 6-10 season: 1. We went 8-8 (a 2-game improvement, if you have trouble with basic arithmetic) 2. We're better at QB 3. We're better at RB 4. We're better at WR 5. We're better at TE 6. We're better at DE 7. We're better at OLB (Barnes >>> Bart Scott/Maybin/Bryan Thomas) 8. We're better at Safety (Eric Smith was still on the roster in 2012. This is a factual statement.) What's the problem with Idzik, again? The only spots on the field we've weakened at are the two OG positions (and as a consequence, the entire OL) by virtue of Brandon Moore retiring and Matt Slauson signing elsewhere (It was a mistake to let him walk). RT is debatable. Ferguson and Mangold's play have declined due to age and the inability to compensate for the weaker G play. That aspect is hardly Idzik's fault. ILB and NT are a wash. Tannenbaum drafted Demario Davis and found Snacks as a UDFA. Well done, Tannenbaum, those are 2 of maybe 3 or 4 positives you can say about this roster as he exited. And at CB, our starting corners in 2012 were Cromartie, Wilson, and Lankster. Revis was injured and then left to lead the Bucs to a 4-12 record. I'd say Dee Milliner's play in the final month of last season gives us hope we might actually be better off at CB than we were in 2012 despite "failing" to spend big money on the position this offseason. Yeah, but all of the positives were "easy" and "obvious moves" and the fact that the team still has problems is all I'm choosing to focus on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shasta14 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 That's getting bookmarked. Please by all means, the very fact that you believe other wise proves all you are is a pom pom waiving fanboy. Then again you're the kind of tool that if the Jets somehow pulled out 7 wins would try and play it off as victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Yeah, but all of the positives were "easy" and "obvious moves" and the fact that the team still has problems is all I'm choosing to focus on. Just look at this final 2012 roster and compare it to the roster today. 1. We have totally new QBs (that's always a recipe for success in the NFL, having to replace every one of your QB's in 1-2 offseasons). 2. Only Powell and Kerley remain of the key skill guys. 3. The O-line was probably a little better in '12 than it is today. You can say that much about the offense. 4. DL is the same except we added the 2013 DROY. Someone no one seemed to want the Jets to draft. 5. We still need athletic LB's on our roster, that much is clear. 6. Our safeties were awful once Landry walked for big money. Adding Pryor is HUGE. Quarterbacks 14 Greg McElroy 6 Mark Sanchez 15 Tim Tebow Running backs 23 Shonn Greene 21 John Griffin 36 Lex Hilliard FB 25 Joe McKnight KR 29 Bilal Powell Wide receivers 17 Braylon Edwards 19 Clyde Gates 11 Jeremy Kerley PR 85 Chaz Schilens 89 Jordan White Tight ends 86 Jeff Cumberland 81 Dustin Keller 87 Konrad Reuland FB 82 Hayden Smith Offensive linemen 62 Vladimir Ducasse G 60 D'Brickashaw Ferguson T 77 Austin Howard T 74 Nick Mangold C 65 Brandon Moore G 72 Caleb Schlauderaff G/C 68 Matt Slauson G 63 Jason Smith T Defensive linemen 98 Quinton Coples DE 70 Mike DeVito DE 93 Kenrick Ellis NT 71 Damon Harrison NT 91 Sione Pouha NT 96 Muhammad Wilkerson DE Linebackers 54 Nick Bellore ILB/FB 56 Demario Davis ILB 52 David Harris ILB 50 Garrett McIntyre OLB/DE 97 Calvin Pace OLB/DE 55 Ricky Sapp OLB/DE 57 Bart Scott ILB 58 Bryan Thomas OLB/DE Defensive backs 39 Antonio Allen SS 37 Yeremiah Bell SS 32 Josh Bush FS 31 Antonio Cromartie CB 34 Donnie Fletcher CB 30 LaRon Landry FS 26 Ellis Lankster CB 33 Eric Smith FS/SS 27 Darrin Walls CB 20 Kyle Wilson CB Special teams 2 Nick Folk K 3 Robert Malone P 46 Tanner Purdum LS Reserve lists 27 Royce Adams CB/WR (IR) 45 Josh Baker TE/FB (IR) 22 Aaron Berry CB (IR) 83 Dedrick Epps TE (IR) 84 Stephen Hill WR (IR) 10 Santonio Holmes WR (IR) 53 Josh Mauga ILB (IR) 24 Darrelle Revis CB (IR) 35 Isaiah Trufant CB (IR) Practice squad 49 JoJo Dickson ILB 92 Tevita Finau DE 18 Royce Pollard WR 51 Jacquies Smith OLB Rookies in italics 52 Active, 9 Inactive, 4 Practice squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 In fairness, we no longer have a WR as good as JN believes Braylon Edwards is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Please by all means, the very fact that you believe other wise proves all you are is a pom pom waiving fanboy. Then again you're the kind of tool that if the Jets somehow pulled out 7 wins would try and play it off as victory. Define "Compare favorably." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Since the defense wasn't a huge concern, even last year with our porous pass defense, Idzik sought to reshape the offense. Something we were all clamoring about. And look at the turnover on O, particularly at QB and the skill positions! 3 new QB's, all major improvements over those they replaced. 3 new RB's. A totally different WR corps to join with Kerley. Shiny new toy at the TE spot. Changes like that typically take time. Idzik did it in 2 offseasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 In fairness, we no longer have a WR as good as JN believes Braylon Edwards is. We certainly didn't upgrade in the downfield blocking department. Thanks Idzik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shasta14 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I noticed you haven't mentioned Hightower since I posted the stats of other MLB and ILBs. Define "compare favorably," please. I don't have to mention Hightower, he played well for us last year, and has had far more of an impact than Coples has had for the Jets. Those re just facts that you can't spin and twist, but don't worry, Coples will be long gone from your roster while Hightower is still making a positive impact for the Pats. Cry about it all you like, the Jets re-building process is in serious trouble. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 I don't have to mention Hightower, he played well for us last year, and has had far more of an impact than Coples has had for the Jets. Those re just facts that you can't spin and twist, but don't worry, Coples will be long gone from your roster while Hightower is still making a positive impact for the Pats. Cry about it all you like, the Jets re-building process is in serious trouble. Dumbest, most ignorant football post.... EVER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Dumbest, most ignorant football post.... EVER. I don't know Kleck, he/she/it has said some pretty dumb things here before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Can someone make he/she/it a bet that he/she/it will lose so that he/she/it just disappears rather than own up to his/her/its side of the bet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetknowledge Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 This makes no sense to me. Coples is better than Wilson, and no one here likes him except JiF. False. I love Q (don't take out of context) Kyle is good but he's asked to do a specific job. And coples has been asked to be great and he jus haven't reached it yet but he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 False. I love Q (don't take out of context) Kyle is good but he's asked to do a specific job. And coples has been asked to be great and he jus haven't reached it yet but he will. I believe the term is "no homo." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 And that does what exactly? Simple question, how d%mb are you? Who cares how many times he hits the QB if the ball is safely in the receivers hands down field. Who cares how many tackles Hightower has when their 10 yards down the field after the receiver he was covering gets a first down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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