Integrity28 Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I like how you're just following me around the boards sh*tting up threads with insults and content-less posts. Is that what you find fun? It's funny because you're accusing me of doing what you're doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 #Threadruined Just the thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 It's like watching the guy who didn't have an N64 at home wander into his own proximity mines again and again. And then the 2-3 guys that still argue for Tannenbaum, that's the kid who kept trying to get his friends to come over to play Sega Dreamcast with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 20, 2014 Author Share Posted August 20, 2014 And then the 2-3 guys that still argue for Tannenbaum, that's the kid who kept trying to get his friends to come over to play Sega Dreamcast with him. Video game analogies are fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I think some people missed it when idzik said his goal was to build a consistently competitive team through the draft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 I think some people missed it when idzik said his goal was to build a consistently competitive team through the draft But only 2 of them will make the team! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 Video game analogies are fun. Stoicsentry is the guy who always took M. Bison in Street Fighter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 People here are so polite. It's really refreshing. TL;DR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 TL;DR ^ definitely the guy that always threw the controller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 ^ definitely the guy that always threw the controller. IT WAS ALWAYS BROKEN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Jet Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 It wasn't judging results that kept him here, it was misjudging results. Just throwing my 2 cents in but I think you need to lighten up a bit. I think most Jet fans are aware of the teams shortcomings. We were quite devoid of talent for the last few years, that much is obvious. We can't change the team or the way its decision makers think thus we are forced to live with reality. Okay so the Jets aren't the best team in the NFL. In fact we are arguably in the bottom third of the league (maybe not so arguably) but its hard to deny the fact that we are moving in a good direction. We have a slew of talented young players not to mention a ton of cap space. Its good to come to terms with reality but its a lot more fun to have a little bit of hope. Its not all doom and gloom, lighten up buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 21, 2014 Author Share Posted August 21, 2014 Just throwing my 2 cents in but I think you need to lighten up a bit. Biggest understatement I've read here in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Just throwing my 2 cents in but I think you need to lighten up a bit. I think most Jet fans are aware of the teams shortcomings. We were quite devoid of talent for the last few years, that much is obvious. We can't change the team or the way its decision makers think thus we are forced to live with reality. Okay so the Jets aren't the best team in the NFL. In fact we are arguably in the bottom third of the league (maybe not so arguably) but its hard to deny the fact that we are moving in a good direction. We have a slew of talented young players not to mention a ton of cap space. Its good to come to terms with reality but its a lot more fun to have a little bit of hope. Its not all doom and gloom, lighten up buddy. I do deny the fact that they are moving in the right direction, that is the upsetting part. They don't have a "slew of talented young players" they have 3-4 of them which is not enough and they have shown that they either aren't willing or competent enough to property use the cap space that they do have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 21, 2014 Author Share Posted August 21, 2014 I do deny the fact that they are moving in the right direction, that is the upsetting part. They don't have a "slew of talented young players" they have 3-4 of them which is not enough and they have shown that they either aren't willing or competent enough to property use the cap space that they do have. We're the 6th youngest team in the NFL. And whether or not you agree they can turn into players, we have the following guys aged 25 or under who were either highly ranked and talented at their respective positions coming out of college OR have so far looked like pleasant surprises: QB Geno Smith (23) RB Bilal Powell (25) WR Jeremy Kerley (25) TE Jace Amaro (22) NT Damon Harrison (25) DE Sheldon Richardson (23) DE Muhammad Wilkerson (24) LB Demario Davis (25) DE/LB IK Enemkpali (23) DE/LB Quinton Coples (24) -- Yeah, even in his 3rd season he's 24. Still time for this cat. CB Dee Milliner (22) CB Dexter McDougle (23) -- Before his ACL tear he was getting rave reviews. FS Calvin Pryor (22) SS Antonio Allen (25) That's 14 promising players 25 or under, and I may have missed some that are currently buried on the depth chart and might emerge later. You'll notice they're spread nicely across the roster, which is a very good sign. You'll also notice that half of the names have been acquired in the past 2 offseasons. If Geno proves to not be "the guy" this season, we'll likely be going after another young QB in the draft to replace him. I'm sure you can pick apart each and every one of them for one reason or the other. But this is a lot closer to a "slew" than just 3-4. You're flat out wrong there. Then you bring up the cap stuff as if that ties in somehow. The FA dollars are not intended to be used to build the core of a team. The best teams in the NFL use their FA dollars sparingly, so I'd say that Idzik is following the "proper" model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 We're the 6th youngest team in the NFL. And whether or not you agree they can turn into players, we have the following guys aged 25 or under who were either highly ranked and talented at their respective positions coming out of college OR have so far looked like pleasant surprises: QB Geno Smith (23) RB Bilal Powell (25) WR Jeremy Kerley (25) TE Jace Amaro (22) NT Damon Harrison (25) DE Sheldon Richardson (23) DE Muhammad Wilkerson (24) LB Demario Davis (25) DE/LB IK Enemkpali (23) DE/LB Quinton Coples (24) -- Yeah, even in his 3rd season he's 24. Still time for this cat. CB Dee Milliner (22) CB Dexter McDougle (23) -- Before his ACL tear he was getting rave reviews. FS Calvin Pryor (22) SS Antonio Allen (25) That's 14 promising players 25 or under, and I may have missed some that are currently buried on the depth chart and might emerge later. You'll notice they're spread nicely across the roster, which is a very good sign. You'll also notice that half of the names have been acquired in the past 2 offseasons. If Geno proves to not be "the guy" this season, we'll likely be going after another young QB in the draft to replace him. I'm sure you can pick apart each and every one of them for one reason or the other. But this is a lot closer to a "slew" than just 3-4. You're flat out wrong there. Then you bring up the cap stuff as if that ties in somehow. The FA dollars are not intended to be used to build the core of a team. The best teams in the NFL use their FA dollars sparingly, so I'd say that Idzik is following the "proper" model. 3-4 who are standout NFL players and that includes Pryor. The rest are huge question marks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 21, 2014 Author Share Posted August 21, 2014 3-4 who are standout NFL players and that includes Pryor. The rest are huge question marks. You didn't say "standouts". You said "talented". Rookies don't develop right away. We have a nice slew of young talent. That is undeniable. Are you already including Pryor as a standout? When he hasn't played a down yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 You didn't say "standouts". You said "talented". Rookies don't develop right away. We have a nice slew of young talent. That is undeniable. Are you already including Pryor as a standout? When he hasn't played a down yet? It gets worse if you don't include him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 21, 2014 Author Share Posted August 21, 2014 It gets worse if you don't include him... Indeed, if you write the other guys off it does get worse. But I'm not willing to do that yet. You know, because most of them are still developing. Something young players do and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbanmadmike1 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Indeed, if you write the other guys off it does get worse. But I'm not willing to do that yet. You know, because most of them are still developing. Something young players do and stuff. Sure but there are guys on that list that we all know won't become standouts, there are some that have a chance, and 3 that already are if you don't count Pryor. Every team in the NFL has guys in their 20s who might be good. That really isn't saying anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 21, 2014 Author Share Posted August 21, 2014 Sure but there are guys on that list that we all know won't become standouts, there are some that have a chance, and 3 that already are if you don't count Pryor. Every team in the NFL has guys in their 20s who might be good. That really isn't saying anything. If you knock off guys who definitely won't be standouts, and instead will just be capable players in their respective roles, you still get this list of standouts (already standouts or potential standouts): QB Geno Smith (23) TE Jace Amaro (22) NT Damon Harrison (25) DE Sheldon Richardson (23) DE Muhammad Wilkerson (24) LB Demario Davis (25) DE/LB IK Enemkpali (23) DE/LB Quinton Coples (24) CB Dee Milliner (22) CB Dexter McDougle (23) FS Calvin Pryor (22) You cannot say at this time that Geno Smith, a 2nd-year QB, cannot possibly be a standout. Harrison, Richardson and Wilkerson are already standouts, with Wilkerson a legit star. Davis is the QB of the defense and if he's not a standout yet, he's getting close. Coples is in the 2nd season of a positional change, though admittedly, the bust potential is highest with him. Milliner was Defensive Rookie of the Month last December, is 22, and is still learning the position with the steepest learning curve. The rest haven't played a down in the NFL yet. 11 standouts or potential standouts. That's half of a starting lineup right there. I'm even fine with you knocking Davis and Coples off the list. Still a lot more than the "3-4" number you presented. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Jet Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Biggest understatement I've read here in a long time. I thought I'd approach him gently, I didn't want to be accused of blindly insulting anyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Stoicsentry is the guy who always took M. Bison in Street Fighter. And bragged that he was unbeatable with Eddy Gordo in Tekken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 21, 2014 Author Share Posted August 21, 2014 I thought I'd approach him gently, I didn't want to be accused of blindly insulting anyone That happens at least 10 times a day here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 If you knock off guys who definitely won't be standouts, and instead will just be capable players in their respective roles, you still get this list of standouts (already standouts or potential standouts): QB Geno Smith (23) TE Jace Amaro (22) NT Damon Harrison (25) DE Sheldon Richardson (23) DE Muhammad Wilkerson (24) LB Demario Davis (25) DE/LB IK Enemkpali (23) DE/LB Quinton Coples (24) CB Dee Milliner (22) CB Dexter McDougle (23) FS Calvin Pryor (22) You cannot say at this time that Geno Smith, a 2nd-year QB, cannot possibly be a standout. Harrison, Richardson and Wilkerson are already standouts, with Wilkerson a legit star. Davis is the QB of the defense and if he's not a standout yet, he's getting close. Coples is in the 2nd season of a positional change, though admittedly, the bust potential is highest with him. Milliner was Defensive Rookie of the Month last December, is 22, and is still learning the position with the steepest learning curve. The rest haven't played a down in the NFL yet. 11 standouts or potential standouts. That's half of a starting lineup right there. I'm even fine with you knocking Davis and Coples off the list. Still a lot more than the "3-4" number you presented. I'd include Kerley (25) too...that makes 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
House Jet Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 If you knock off guys who definitely won't be standouts, and instead will just be capable players in their respective roles, you still get this list of standouts (already standouts or potential standouts): QB Geno Smith (23) TE Jace Amaro (22) NT Damon Harrison (25) DE Sheldon Richardson (23) DE Muhammad Wilkerson (24) LB Demario Davis (25) DE/LB IK Enemkpali (23) DE/LB Quinton Coples (24) CB Dee Milliner (22) CB Dexter McDougle (23) FS Calvin Pryor (22) You cannot say at this time that Geno Smith, a 2nd-year QB, cannot possibly be a standout. Harrison, Richardson and Wilkerson are already standouts, with Wilkerson a legit star. Davis is the QB of the defense and if he's not a standout yet, he's getting close. Coples is in the 2nd season of a positional change, though admittedly, the bust potential is highest with him. Milliner was Defensive Rookie of the Month last December, is 22, and is still learning the position with the steepest learning curve. The rest haven't played a down in the NFL yet. 11 standouts or potential standouts. That's half of a starting lineup right there. I'm even fine with you knocking Davis and Coples off the list. Still a lot more than the "3-4" number you presented. +1 All we need is for Geno to do well. This team is talented, with some decent QB play we will win a bunch of games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 21, 2014 Author Share Posted August 21, 2014 +1 All we need is for Geno to do well. This team is talented, with some decent QB play we will win a bunch of games. Geno turns into "the guy" and no one mentions our CB "problems" again. Pretty much that simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Geno turns into "the guy" and no one mentions our CB "problems" again. Pretty much that simple. Geno being the guy still leaves us with sh*tty corners. You're not winning a Super Bowl if you can't cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Geno turns into "the guy" and no one mentions our CB "problems" again. Pretty much that simple. You've been posting here how long? No way you believe this. To that point, I'd say Coples becoming the guy, will help us forget our CB problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 21, 2014 Author Share Posted August 21, 2014 Geno being the guy still leaves us with sh*tty corners. You're not winning a Super Bowl if you can't cover. The Giants corners are so sh*tty they signed Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie to a 5-year deal, yet they have 2 Super Bowl rings in the last 7 years. We have a more than capable pass rush, and despite our secondary woes last season, we were still middle of the pack in PPG allowed (24.2), a significant portion of those points coming because of turnovers on offense (- 14 TO differential, 30th in the NFL). Geno turns into "the guy" and we score in the 20's consistently, and the secondary isn't an issue. You don't need studs at every level of your defense. But you do need at least average QB play to compete (with the exception of the 2009-10 Jets). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 21, 2014 Author Share Posted August 21, 2014 To that point, I'd say Coples becoming the guy, will help us forget our CB problems. That too. We've clearly shifted our focus towards the pass rush, and this year is when we really need to see the dividends of that shift. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 The Giants corners are so sh*tty they signed Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie to a 5-year deal, yet they have 2 Super Bowl rings in the last 7 years. We have a more than capable pass rush, and despite our secondary woes last season, we were still middle of the pack in PPG allowed (24.2), a significant portion of those points coming because of turnovers on offense (- 14 TO differential, 30th in the NFL). Geno turns into "the guy" and we score in the 20's consistently, and the secondary isn't an issue. Geno AND Coples AND Milliner turning into Pro Bowl-caliber players makes this team a contender. Lonnnnnnng shot with each right now, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 The Giants corners are so sh*tty they signed Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie to a 5-year deal, yet they have 2 Super Bowl rings in the last 7 years. We have a more than capable pass rush, and despite our secondary woes last season, we were still middle of the pack in PPG allowed (24.2), a significant portion of those points coming because of turnovers on offense (- 14 TO differential, 30th in the NFL). Geno turns into "the guy" and we score in the 20's consistently, and the secondary isn't an issue. Exactly. Watching that first SB when the Giants beat Brady, it really showed that a consistent pass-rush can slow down any offense. That's why I don't get pissed when the Jets keep drafting D-linemen. Get guys who can get pressure and DB's only have to cover for a couple seconds. Any NFL DB should be able to do that. Now, does the Jets front-7 find a way to get consistent pressure without blitzing? If not, they're in big trouble, and that's why I'm praying that Coples is going to become thet player they drafted him to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 Geno AND Coples AND Milliner turning into Pro Bowl-caliber players makes this team a contender. Lonnnnnnng shot with each right now, though. I'd say you're 1/3 corrrect if you want to talk about Pro-Bowl players. Only Coples has to come close to that type of production. Coples playing at a high level, which has has shown the ability to do at times, is the key here. Geno just has to be good, not great. Same goes for Milliner. Coples being great means little time for oppsing QB's to throw, and Geno just has to NOT turn the damn thing over so many times and Milliner can just play like he did late last season and they'll be better than a lot of people expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted August 21, 2014 Share Posted August 21, 2014 The Giants corners are so sh*tty they signed Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie to a 5-year deal, yet they have 2 Super Bowl rings in the last 7 years. We have a more than capable pass rush, and despite our secondary woes last season, we were still middle of the pack in PPG allowed (24.2), a significant portion of those points coming because of turnovers on offense (- 14 TO differential, 30th in the NFL). Geno turns into "the guy" and we score in the 20's consistently, and the secondary isn't an issue. You don't need studs at every level of your defense. But you do need at least average QB play to compete (with the exception of the 2009-10 Jets). Why do we keep drafting corners so early then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 21, 2014 Author Share Posted August 21, 2014 Why do we keep drafting corners so early then? Because they happened to be the top player on the board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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