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Really enjoyed that. The first route he ran was beautiful. That is really how WRs get open, more than speed...precise route running. That is why Stephen Hill will never be good and Decker is #1 WR. He made Carlos Rodgers his play thing. I can't remember who it was, but I remember someone on the forum was saying that he can only run three routes. I think Max banned him, but breaking down his routes like this shows that, that is the farthest thing from the truth.

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There was a little piece on the Jets network or whatever they call it during the summer.  Decker was showing a couple of routes.  On both he pushed off pretty blatantly and the coaches acted like it was "good technique."  He seemed very good at it, adept at pushing and creating space without extending his hand too far or being obvious.  It was a piece about turning the DBs hips, etc, where they slowed the footage down and ran it back and forth, so you could see it more obviously than real time.  My Dad caught the same segment on Sunday and when I called him he said "They showed him pushing off and kept praising it as great technique."   Decker got called for it once on Sunday, but if he can get away with it, great.  

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Good read.

 

Now... who wants to hear my lecture about how the "not a true #1 WR" narrative was the dumbest of all this pre-season's hand-wringing?

 

Anyone? 

 

The Decker signing thread was the worst. I couldn't believe people were pissed at the signing of Decker because he's getting overpaid or that he's not a true #1 when we were literally signing street FAs for most of the previous season.

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There was a little piece on the Jets network or whatever they call it during the summer.  Decker was showing a couple of routes.  On both he pushed off pretty blatantly and the coaches acted like it was "good technique."  He seemed very good at it, adept at pushing and creating space without extending his hand too far or being obvious.  It was a piece about turning the DBs hips, etc, where they slowed the footage down and ran it back and forth, so you could see it more obviously than real time.  My Dad caught the same segment on Sunday and when I called him he said "They showed him pushing off and kept praising it as great technique."   Decker got called for it once on Sunday, but if he can get away with it, great.  

 

pushing off got Irvin in the hall of fame

 

damned rule changes, lol

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The Decker signing thread was the worst. I couldn't believe people were pissed at the signing of Decker because he's getting overpaid or that he's not a true #1 when we were literally signing street FAs for most of the previous season.

 

Yeah.  Most of us were against signing Decker before FA started only because we expected him to seek a ton of money.  I can't see the complaints at what they got him for.  We were thinking more Golden Tate, Emmanuel Sanders or James Jones would be affordable.  As it was, they were still in the running for Jones.  

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Good read.

 

Now... who wants to hear my lecture about how the "not a true #1 WR" narrative was the dumbest of all this pre-season's hand-wringing?

 

Anyone? 

 

You are not a true #1 poster. Just saying. 

But we don't need you to be one because we have many other options.

 

Yeah.  Most of us were against signing Decker before FA started only because we expected him to seek a ton of money.  I can't see the complaints at what they got him for.  We were thinking more Golden Tate, Emmanuel Sanders or James Jones would be affordable.  As it was, they were still in the running for Jones.  

 

That is my recollection. I was against it before I was for it. Which is to say, I was against it when the rumors started circulating that he could fetch 10 or even 11 million per season as the top WR hitting FA in March. At that money you're also talking about some $24M guaranteed (give or take)

For $10-11M/year I was against it. For $7M/year ($15M guaranteed), I was for it. 

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The Decker signing thread was the worst. I couldn't believe people were pissed at the signing of Decker because he's getting overpaid or that he's not a true #1 when we were literally signing street FAs for most of the previous season.

 

I know it dude... this place can get pretty damn ridiculous at times.

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The Decker signing thread was the worst. I couldn't believe people were pissed at the signing of Decker because he's getting overpaid or that he's not a true #1 when we were literally signing street FAs for most of the previous season.

 

Although I was not posting here at the time -- I was one of those who was against the Decker signing, I was afraid he was more a product of Peyton.  After watching him through the pre-season and this past week, I have changed my tune.  I was wrong, I am real happy to have him on the team now.

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Although I was not posting here at the time -- I was one of those who was against the Decker signing, I was afraid he was more a product of Peyton.  After watching him through the pre-season and this past week, I have changed my tune.  I was wrong, I am real happy to have him on the team now.

 

Gotta have ton's of respect a man who mans up.

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Gotta have ton's of respect a man who mans up.

A lot of people thought that way because of Manning but if you look all throughout his college and pre manning days he has always been productive.

I'm excited because once Geno really gets comfortable with Decker like he is already with Kerley we could be in for something good. Add Jace and Cumby in there and watch out.

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He's actually a very good route runner, and I think that gets lost sometimes because it's very hard to quantify, and nowadays we're more accustomed to always having numbers explain everything.  I think that's an excellent breakdown of reading angles with the CB and using it to create an advantage.  Speaking of Hill, I was hoping Decker would be a good influence on him in terms of route running when we first signed him, but it didn't work out. 

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Decker isn't a true #1 nor did he get paid like one. It was actually a pretty fair contract per skill. Most people agree. Schlereth, as some have mentioned, seemed to have some weird personal bone to pick. That or he's just been at ESPN too long and sensationalizing any story or comment just comes as second nature to him now. I've always liked Schlereth, but his comments were pretty over the top and heavy handed. Bottom line is Decker's a good WR and he's going to help the Jets win some big games. It was a good, solid signing. 

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I did not think he was a number one receiver, but I knew he was head and shoulders above anyone the Jets had on the roster.  He is our number one receiver, and I that will have to do for this season.

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I did not think he was a number one receiver, but I knew he was head and shoulders above anyone the Jets had on the roster.  He is our number one receiver, and I that will have to do for this season.

 

Yep.  He will pass Jeremy Kerley in total targets and will be the most effective player on the team on passes thrown his way.  That makes him a WR1.  If people want to argue that he's a low-end WR1, cool. 

 

We haven't had anything in the neighborhood of a WR1 since perhaps 2010 (Holmes/Edwards muddled things into a 1a/1b situation) or maybe even Keyshawn, so this is a nice change.

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Decker isn't a true #1 nor did he get paid like one. It was actually a pretty fair contract per skill. Most people agree. Schlereth, as some have mentioned, seemed to have some weird personal bone to pick. That or he's just been at ESPN too long and sensationalizing any story or comment just comes as second nature to him now. I've always liked Schlereth, but his comments were pretty over the top and heavy handed. Bottom line is Decker's a good WR and he's going to help the Jets win some big games. It was a good, solid signing. 

I don't know what true#1 means when Decker is the Jets true#1 receiver. Is there a better receiver than him in the league? Yes, but that is for every WR who's nickname isn't Megatron. Decker is a #1 receiver because he can be productive at the position. That's all that needs to be said. 

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I don't know what true#1 means when Decker is the Jets true#1 receiver. Is there a better receiver than him in the league? Yes, but that is for every WR who's nickname isn't Megatron. Decker is a #1 receiver because he can be productive at the position. That's all that needs to be said. 

 

Yeah, this whole "true #1" thing has to be one of the dumbest assertions out there.  People seem to be using whether he's a top 5 WR in the league as the measurement for a "true #1".  He's far and away the best WR on the Jets and it's not particularly crazy to say he's one of the top 32 players at his position, so I'm not sure what it's trying to prove.  He may not be one of the very elite level talents at the position, but few are.

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Yep.  He will pass Jeremy Kerley in total targets and will be the most effective player on the team on passes thrown his way.  That makes him a WR1.  If people want to argue that he's a low-end WR1, cool. 

 

We haven't had anything in the neighborhood of a WR1 since perhaps 2010 (Holmes/Edwards muddled things into a 1a/1b situation) or maybe even Keyshawn, so this is a nice change.

i agree. Although if I remember correctly Kerley had a pretty good game himself on Sunday.

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i agree. Although if I remember correctly Kerley had a pretty good game himself on Sunday.

 

Yep, and that's a good thing.  The difference between Geno with Kerley and Geno without Kerley was vast last year.  Having him as the 2nd option is huge.  Definitely not on knock on Kerley to say Decker is the WR1; they compliment each other nicely.

 

If only Stephen Hill wasn't a megabust.  With a viable speed guy at the WR2 spot along with Amaro and CJ, we'd be a dynamic offense, an idea that was laughable for the past 3 years.

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I don't know what true#1 means when Decker is the Jets true#1 receiver. Is there a better receiver than him in the league? Yes, but that is for every WR who's nickname isn't Megatron. Decker is a #1 receiver because he can be productive at the position. That's all that needs to be said. 

 

The discussion quickly turns into semantics. I guess the real bottom line is who gives a **** as long as he stays healthy and productive. 

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Yeah, this whole "true #1" thing has to be one of the dumbest assertions out there.  People seem to be using whether he's a top 5 WR in the league as the measurement for a "true #1".  He's far and away the best WR on the Jets and it's not particularly crazy to say he's one of the top 32 players at his position, so I'm not sure what it's trying to prove.  He may not be one of the very elite level talents at the position, but few are.

 

And that's also fair bc what's the true definition of a #1? It's completely subjective. To debate it any further, and to your point, isn't worth anybody's time (unless you work at ESPN or the NFL network).

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It doesnt matter if he's a #1 or a #5.  Does he get open and does he catch the ball?  If the answer is yes.  Who gives a ****?  

 

There is no unwritten law that you need a true blue #1 WR to have a good offense.  The Jets have a bunch of guys who can catch and get open, Decker happens to be the best on the team at it.  This debate about #1 vs #2 or whatever doesnt matter.  He gets open, his QB trusts him and he catches the ball.

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It doesnt matter if he's a #1 or a #5.  Does he get open and does he catch the ball?  If the answer is yes.  Who gives a ****?  

 

There is no unwritten law that you need a true blue #1 WR to have a good offense.  The Jets have a bunch of guys who can catch and get open, Decker happens to be the best on the team at it.  This debate about #1 vs #2 or whatever doesnt matter.  He gets open, his QB trusts him and he catches the ball.

Agreed. Who was the number 1 WR on Seattle last year? They didn't seem to care that they didn't have a true #1 and they won that Super Bowl thing. Proof an offense can still be effective without a true #1 or whatever that means.

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