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I wonder what it says about Rex that Marty felt he had to run down the line like that and wake Rex up to call a TO. the whole thing is a mess.

 

He can FEEL that way all he wants. The fact is he DIDN'T need to run down the line like that, and call our final TO.  

 

The cooler head should have prevailed, and the rule says MM has no say unless he's gesturing TO directly to an official's face (which did not happen).

 

If MM didn't pretend he was the HC, or if the refs ignored him as the rules say they should, then the Jets tie up the game.

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This is bullsh*t! Coordinators have being calling TO since DAY ONE under Rex. Thats because this team dont have a ******* HEAD COACH who oversees the whole operation.

 

Yawn. 

 

He did not call TO. Not officially, according to NFL rules. Officially, he gestured to his own team that he felt they should call a TO. While you may think it's semantics, he cannot call a TO. And worse, he was dead wrong for wanting the TO anyway.

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The video shows MM running toward Ryan motioning for a TO. The rule is  in black in white, but the reality is they allow assistants to call TOs all the time.

Exactly. Rex used to call in Baltimore. Shotty called since day one under Rex. Fact is: we dont have a Head Coach.

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Except I don't believe you. You are a Jets fan, but you're a fan of being right first and foremost and a Jets fan a distant second. So if the Jets lose, it's pleasure for you because you get to feel more vindicated while you whine about Ryan for another week.

It's baffling. This team was clearly good enough to win this game. Despite the mess in the secondary and up and down offense, this game was right there. And they lost because of a bad job by Ryan's CS. There's no other way to describe it.On one hand he got this team in position to be right there, and on the other the CS bollixed it up royally. Ryan deserves every ration of sheet he will catch this week. ANd I wish we were instead watching the aftermath of an OT win right now. 

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Then the refs broke the rules their as well. What's with the selective rule enforcement by the league? All of the sudden now they are adding "emphasis" to coverage rules? And for some reason that makes it okay they cost us a touchdown by going against the rules?

   Hold it.

 

  Rex called the TO vs NE when he was DC for the Ravens. Not Rob.

 

 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=3140574

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The video shows MM running toward Ryan motioning for a TO. The rule is  in black in white, but the reality is they allow assistants to call TOs all the time. 

 

Only if the assistant is asking a REF for a TO, not asking his HC. What if MM wants a TO and the HC doesn't? The ref allows the assistant to overrule the HC?

 

That is the whole POINT of the rule.

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This game was determined at the end of the first half.  The INT totally flipped the mojo to the Pack. You're looking at 28-9 or 24-9 at the half.  Instead Pack run down the field and its 21-16 at the half.  And that missed throw to Decker was awful. This was a game that was NOT LOST but GIVEN AWAY.   

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Yawn. 

 

He did not call TO. Not officially, according to NFL rules. Officially, he gestured to his own team that he felt they should call a TO. While you may think it's semantics, he cannot call a TO. And worse, he was dead wrong for wanting the TO anyway.

 wrecks called tos for the ravens

 

 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=3140574

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This game was determined at the end of the first half.  The INT totally flipped the mojo to the Pack. You're looking at 28-6 or 24-6 at the half.  Instead Pack run down the filed and its 21-16 at the half.  And that missed throw to Decker was awful. This was a game that was NOT LOST but GIVEN AWAY.   

 

 

You cannot win with 14 point swings at the most critical time.  Geno looks like Dr. Jekyll & Mr. Hyde out there.

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If he wanted to be a slightly smaller moron, sure. 

come on he is going to talk up the qb from green baynext week he'l say someone else is the best qb ever

It sucks we lost and did not get into overtime because of refs not knowing their own rules but until the fans speak out the billion dollar industry will not fix the issue

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 wrecks called tos for the ravens

 

 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?id=3140574

 

So?

 

And they made a point of it in the article why? 

 

Because only a HC or a player can call TO. This is the rule sort of.

 

An assistant is allowed to call TO if he's making the TO gesture to the official

 

In the article you're quoting, DC Ryan called TO to the official. Today, that is not what happened. MM was running down the sideline to get Ryan to call TO because he was unnecessarily afraid of a delay of game that didn't happen.

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It says nothing about Rex, the offense got the play off in time. Marty's desire to call a TO was unwarranted.

You should get off the couch some time and play some sort of recreational sport instead of just quoting the rule book like it governs everything and that there is no room in the officiating for discretion. There is such a thing as situation awareness and that basically says have your head in the game and don't gesture towards the referees if that's not your role to do. Hate to break it to you but Marty messed that up pretty bad.
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It's baffling. This team was clearly good enough to win this game. Despite the mess in the secondary and up and down offense, this game was right there. And they lost because of a bad job by Ryan's CS. There's no other way to describe it.On one hand he got this team in position to be right there, and on the other the CS bollixed it up royally. Ryan deserves every ration of sheet he will catch this week. ANd I wish we were instead watching the aftermath of an OT win right now. 

 

it's certainly disappointing to lose a winnable game but you have to remember the other team gets paid too.    The Packers coming off a loss playing their home opener is a tough game.   if anything, it's surprising the Jets couldn't run the ball.  

 

Ideally Rex could have found a way to take double Nelson and take him out of the game.   He single-handedly killied the Jets.  

 

I like this team.   I thought Rex got his nuts back after an 18 month hiatus.   I think the Offense is missing a 1 stud lineman and 1 more weapon.    This is a very likeable team but still a few players away from being elite.    Oh, and this is a 'w' with Revis....just saying.  

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wait for it....

POTW NOM

 

What of it?

 

Coples does not suck.

The refs let no fewer than 5 holding calls go uncalled (not to mention a BS roughing the passer).

The Jets over-blitzing had nothing to do with the loss.

 

Like I said to Bugg, this is your wet dream. A Jets win today would have been upsetting to you.

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Only if the assistant is asking a REF for a TO, not asking his HC. What if MM wants a TO and the HC doesn't? The ref allows the assistant to overrule the HC?

 

That is the whole POINT of the rule.

It's a tough rule to enforce. The refs always face the field. One thing to your argument is there always seems to be a ref right near the HC, almost having a conversation with him the whole game. Not sure if that is planned for exactly those kinds of situations, or it's how things work out. So it's fair to say that it was against the rules. But there are apparently lots of instances ref facing field hears "TO"  from behind him and stops the game. Still, this ref was right next to Ryan, and he had to know the voice wasn't Ryan. IT'S A GODDAMN MESS. 

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So?

 

And they made a point of it in the article why? 

 

Because only a HC or a player can call TO. This is the rule sort of.

 

An assistant is allowed to call TO if he's making the TO gesture to the official

 

In the article you're quoting, DC Ryan called TO to the official. Today, that is not what happened. MM was running down the sideline to get Ryan to call TO because he was unnecessarily afraid of a delay of game that didn't happen.

no not sort of the rule and there is from for discretion but in this case the rule clear states who can call a to.,You can boot players for fighting or flag them there is plenty of discretion but officials of a sport not knowing the rules is bad and that official should not work again. What really is bad, is as a fan we know the rules better.

For your review the rule is below on time outs. I am not saying we would have won the game but we should have had a chance which is all you can ask for

Section 5 Timeouts 
CHARGED TEAM TIMEOUTS 
Article 1The Referee shall suspend play while the ball is dead and declare a charged team timeout upon the 
request for a timeout by the head coach or any player to any official. 
 Item 1: Three Timeouts AllowedA team is allowed three charged team timeouts during each half. 
Item 2: Length of Timeouts. Charged team timeouts shall be two minutes in length, unless the timeout is 
not used by television for a commercial break. Timeouts shall be 30 seconds in length when the 
designated number of television commercials have been exhausted in a quarter, if it is a second 
charged team timeout in the same dead-ball period, or when the Referee so indicates. 
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It's a tough rule to enforce. The refs always face the field. One thing to your argument is there always seems to be a ref right near the HC, almost having a conversation with him the whole game. Not sure if that is planned for exactly those kinds of situations, or it's how things work out. So it's fair to say that it was against the rules. But there are apparently lots of instances ref facing field hears "TO"  from behind him and stops the game. Still, this ref was right next to Ryan, and he had to know the voice wasn't Ryan. IT'S A GODDAMN MESS. 

 

Whatever. So what if someone from the stands calls time out?

 

That is why the HC, and only the HC, can call time out. And if they don't see it they don't award the TO.

 

If MM was right next to Rex and they don't know which one said it that's one thing. But that isn't what happened. 

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Refs gave this game to the Packs. Complete bullsh*t on that touchdown Geno threw being taken away. We probably would have still lost if Geno got that td, but still, it was complete bs.

 

I'm thinking in the same thing. In the end, even if we score that TD, Rodgers either drives the ball down the field on his own or we get a couple of long BS Pass Interferences to keep the drive going for them.

 

We were never going to win this game once they scored before the half. 

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no not sort of the rule and there is from for discretion but in this case the rule clear states who can call a to.,You can boot players for fighting or flag them there is plenty of discretion but officials of a sport not knowing the rules is bad and that official should not work again. What really is bad, is as a fan we know the rules better.

For your review the rule is below on time outs. I am not saying we would have won the game but we should have had a chance which is all you can ask for

Section 5 Timeouts 
CHARGED TEAM TIMEOUTS 
Article 1The Referee shall suspend play while the ball is dead and declare a charged team timeout upon the 
request for a timeout by the head coach or any player to any official. 
 Item 1: Three Timeouts AllowedA team is allowed three charged team timeouts during each half. 
Item 2: Length of Timeouts. Charged team timeouts shall be two minutes in length, unless the timeout is 
not used by television for a commercial break. Timeouts shall be 30 seconds in length when the 
designated number of television commercials have been exhausted in a quarter, if it is a second 
charged team timeout in the same dead-ball period, or when the Referee so indicates. 

 

 

Actually it is "sort of" - or at least that's the rule they splashed on the screen in the post-game - in that a team official can call TO if he's directly gesturing it to a ref (but the ref is not obligated to listen). But that isn't what MM did.

 

It's bullsh*t.

 

What if a coordinator, position coach, or a player thinks the HC should call TO and the HC disagrees? While yelling, "Coach, call timeout!!" the ref is not allowed to interpret that the same as the HC calling TO. And that's the point. The HC - and ONLY the HC - calls it because what if someone else wants it but the HC doesn't? It's the HC's call and no one else's (unless they're on the field of play, of course).

Total bullsh*t.

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Whatever. So what if someone from the stands calls time out?

 

That is why the HC, and only the HC, can call time out. And if they don't see it they don't award the TO.

 

If MM was right next to Rex and they don't know which one said it that's one thing. But that isn't what happened. 

MM  was 20-30 feet away, not in the stands. Ref heard from the side lie someone call "TO" from behind him. Despite the black&white rulebook they do sometimes allow assistants to call timeout. 

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