Scott Dierking Posted January 5, 2006 Share Posted January 5, 2006 if this is at a standstill, the NFL needs to council both parties, and council them quickly. It is also in theNFL's best interest that the compensation be fair and equal to previous compensation packages arranged for coaches. Why? Simple. The NFL should want to keep the sanctity of a contract and the validity of a coach with a team in firm place. If the Jets get a 4 or 5 pick for Herm Edwards, what stops the Detroit Lions next year from flirting with Andy Reid and waving huge dollars to him secretly, just to disrupt his marriage with the Eagles? Heck, the penalty to do so seems to only be a mid round draft pick, if this deal is consummated. Teams and organizations must be held accountable to uphold teh sanctity of contracts, and moreso, other contracts mean STAY OUT. This issue goes much deeper than just Edwards and teh Jets. The sanctity of coaching contracts is at stake. JMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 5, 2006 Author Share Posted January 5, 2006 Furthermore, how is it that KC now wants to "back out" because they are unsure that the Jets want to retain Edwards? HELLO, they are the ones that have essentially created the rift between Herm and teh Jets. Loyalty issues. Wanting other jobs. Without KC in the picture, this issue at worst is left to the Jets and Edwards and the possible issue of extension. It is a private and in-house matter. Tags-Please get involved. The sanctity of coaching in your sport is at issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSJ Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Face it Bradway got bent over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Face it Bradway got bent over again. Got bent over or is he bending over for peterson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 I could not agree more...why is that I feel that once again we are going to get embarassed by Bradway and the Jets front office? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 There is no way this whole thing is kosher in the NFL FO. Unless bradway is playing both sides. Telling the NFL he hasn't given them(KC)permission to talk to herm but is dealing with Herm and Peterson in secret. So just incase Woody wants to much compensation he can just back off and say No deal. Fire Herm and they all live happily ever after in KC next yr. Of course Im overreacting but you get my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Every other team squeezes a #1, 2 or 3 or some similar combo for their coaches that are under contract, even when they haven't coached in a year. Why is it that the picks that we are hearing about are 5's and 6's? Bradway should come out and say that we love Herm and intend on keeping him at his original terms then two things would happen: The Chiefs ante up, beacause we all know that they have a major Herm jones or Herm gets pissed and quits, enabling the Jets to really play hardball if anybody still wants him. If nobody wants him, then he sits at home for two years with his thumb up his ass. WAKE UP BRADWAY!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preston Howley III Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 There is no way this whole thing is kosher in the NFL FO. Unless bradway is playing both sides. Telling the NFL he hasn't given them(KC)permission to talk to herm but is dealing with Herm and Peterson in secret. So just incase Woody wants to much compensation he can just back off and say No deal. Fire Herm and they all live happily ever after in KC next yr. Of course Im overreacting but you get my point. If Woody had a pair of balls, he would cut off all communications with KC; wait a few weeks, and after they hire a new coach, FIRE HERM'S A#S. Let the m**ther****ing Texans court his *ss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 We should agree to arbitration. But only if we can find a Chiefs season ticket holder to settle the dispute for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBeans Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 We should agree to arbitration. But only if we can find a Chiefs season ticket holder to settle the dispute for us. That's some funny damn stuff, Max. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 We should agree to arbitration. But only if we can find a Chiefs season ticket holder to settle the dispute for us.that could ONLY happen to the jets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smizzy Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 that could ONLY happen to the jets... Twice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBeans Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Twice? Same Old Jets, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Twice? you can't put anything past this franchise and the level to which it can embarrass itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 you can't put anything past this franchise and the level to which it can embarrass itself. You know what? You can't. And this is why the Chiefs have to be loving the negotiations right about now. How wants to bet we reach a handshake agreement only to get f'ed over later on? Apparently the Jets are the only ones who still honor handshakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 You know what? You can't. And this is why the Chiefs have to be loving the negotiations right about now. How wants to bet we reach a handshake agreement only to get f'ed over later on? Apparently the Jets are the only ones who still honor handshakes. You are so right Max...how are you by the way? You see, this franchise is owned by the devil. I am convinced of that...thank you Joe Willy!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Hey Herm wish I could get into the House but for some reason my computer won't keep the thing open for me-BTW what will be your new moniker be after today?What was it before-something with Groh in it?I forget... You are so right Max...how are you by the way? You see, this franchise is owned by the devil. I am convinced of that...thank you Joe Willy!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Hey SFJ...how you doing? I may still keep the "Hermanator" moniker...I plunked down 2 bills for a custom jersey the beginning of the season...should have known. Maybe I can somehow get Hermanator removed from the jersey and leave it blank...I have no luck at all with Jet jerseys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Hey SFJ...how you doing? I may still keep the "Hermanator" moniker...I plunked down 2 bills for a custom jersey the beginning of the season...should have known. Maybe I can somehow get Hermanator removed from the jersey and leave it blank...I have no luck at all with Jet jerseys. what was your last screen name Herm?I remember when you announced you were changing it to what's on the bavck of that jersey... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 if this is at a standstill, the NFL needs to council both parties, and council them quickly. It is also in theNFL's best interest that the compensation be fair and equal to previous compensation packages arranged for coaches. Why? Simple. The NFL should want to keep the sanctity of a contract and the validity of a coach with a team in firm place. If the Jets get a 4 or 5 pick for Herm Edwards, what stops the Detroit Lions next year from flirting with Andy Reid and waving huge dollars to him secretly, just to disrupt his marriage with the Eagles? Heck, the penalty to do so seems to only be a mid round draft pick, if this deal is consummated. Teams and organizations must be held accountable to uphold teh sanctity of contracts, and moreso, other contracts mean STAY OUT. This issue goes much deeper than just Edwards and teh Jets. The sanctity of coaching contracts is at stake. JMO Absolutely. You can't have teams ask other teams about acquiring their HC's or players & then talk/leak to the media about it. Even if you don't agree on a deal, you've screwed with another franchise's chemistry & certainly messed with the team's leverage for a subsequent contract/extension (if one was desired). To say that all this is innocent is insanity. Herm had dinner with KC's GM & their wives earlier this season. It's no secret. Then that GM - and only that GM - have made public overtures of their desire to acquire Herm. And we're supposed to all believe this was all done without Herm's knowledge until just this week? Is there a soul on the planet (other than Jonathan Vilma apparently) who honestly believes that? That Herm is an innocent bystander - a VICTIM really - of these other people, BOTH of whom are friends of his for years, wheeling & dealing his future unbeknownst to him? If Bradway doesn't contact the league, he should be fired for that alone. If Woody doesn't, the other owners should step in. To be perfectly honest, after the way this crap went down, there really shouldn't be any HC-trading allowed. Let's say there's no deal. Look at the series of events: - Herm is from KC's system - Peterson has allegedly wanted Herm back since he was in Tampa - Herm has dinner with Peterson & the wives during this football season - Rumors fly later in the season that KC wants Herm. - KC's coach, who announces his retirement, goes out of his way to say what an incredible job of coaching Herm has done in a 4-12 season. - Herm then demands a raise and an extension even though he was just given both just before the '04 season, which the Jets have no inclination to do after a 4-12 season - Now in steps Carl Peterson, and ONLY Carl Peterson, to "officially" inquire about a possible trade for Herm & makes an insulting offer of two late-round draft picks. Herm still has two years left on his contract & the worst compensation for such an exchange was for the then-retired Vermeil, who commanded a 2nd & 3rd; when there was tampering involved (Tuna, Belli) a first-rounder and more was involved; Gruden a 1st & a 2nd and $8M. - Through bad PR or just Bradway's loose lips to his friend, it's communicated to Peterson that Herm will not be the Jets HC next year no matter what happens in these trade talks - Peterson takes a "take these 2 cans of tomato paste or nothing" stance Now, even if it was desired by the Jets, Herm would be unable to return as the Jets HC after all this. The entire team knows he'd rather be elsewhere. This was clearly orchestrated by Peterson & Herm, and I'm not convinced Bradway didn't have a hand in it either as a potential heir-apparent to Peterson's job. This all stinks - our Jets are getting shafted, and the league is allowing it. For chrissake, the whole country knows the terms of Herm's new KC contract ($4M per year for 5 years) while he's still the Jets HC!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted January 6, 2006 Author Share Posted January 6, 2006 Absolutely. You can't have teams ask other teams about acquiring their HC's or players & then talk/leak to the media about it. Even if you don't agree on a deal, you've screwed with another franchise's chemistry & certainly messed with the team's leverage for a subsequent contract/extension (if one was desired). To say that all this is innocent is insanity. Herm had dinner with KC's GM & their wives earlier this season. It's no secret. Then that GM - and only that GM - have made public overtures of their desire to acquire Herm. And we're supposed to all believe this was all done without Herm's knowledge until just this week? Is there a soul on the planet (other than Jonathan Vilma apparently) who honestly believes that? That Herm is an innocent bystander - a VICTIM really - of these other people, BOTH of whom are friends of his for years, wheeling & dealing his future unbeknownst to him? If Bradway doesn't contact the league, he should be fired for that alone. If Woody doesn't, the other owners should step in. To be perfectly honest, after the way this crap went down, there really shouldn't be any HC-trading allowed. Let's say there's no deal. Look at the series of events: - Herm is from KC's system - Peterson has allegedly wanted Herm back since he was in Tampa - Herm has dinner with Peterson & the wives during this football season - Rumors fly later in the season that KC wants Herm. - KC's coach, who announces his retirement, goes out of his way to say what an incredible job of coaching Herm has done in a 4-12 season. - Herm then demands a raise and an extension even though he was just given both just before the '04 season, which the Jets have no inclination to do after a 4-12 season - Now in steps Carl Peterson, and ONLY Carl Peterson, to "officially" inquire about a possible trade for Herm & makes an insulting offer of two late-round draft picks. Herm still has two years left on his contract & the worst compensation for such an exchange was for the then-retired Vermeil, who commanded a 2nd & 3rd; when there was tampering involved (Tuna, Belli) a first-rounder and more was involved; Gruden a 1st & a 2nd and $8M. - Through bad PR or just Bradway's loose lips to his friend, it's communicated to Peterson that Herm will not be the Jets HC next year no matter what happens in these trade talks - Peterson takes a "take these 2 cans of tomato paste or nothing" stance Now, even if it was desired by the Jets, Herm would be unable to return as the Jets HC after all this. The entire team knows he'd rather be elsewhere. This was clearly orchestrated by Peterson & Herm, and I'm not convinced Bradway didn't have a hand in it either as a potential heir-apparent to Peterson's job. This all stinks - our Jets are getting shafted, and the league is allowing it. For chrissake, the whole country knows the terms of Herm's new KC contract ($4M per year for 5 years) while he's still the Jets HC!!!!!!!!!! SE-ABSOLUTELY. This is incestuous at best and is criminal at worse. If the NFL idley stands by and allows this breach of contract and breaks of confidentiality, it is setting itself up for precedents that should be deemed unacceptable. How would teh Chiefs and the NFL feel if the Jets walked up to Larry Johnson and told him that his contract was not fair, we can give him a better deal and we would be interested in his services Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 6, 2006 Share Posted January 6, 2006 Hey SFJ...how you doing? I may still keep the "Hermanator" moniker...I plunked down 2 bills for a custom jersey the beginning of the season...should have known. Maybe I can somehow get Hermanator removed from the jersey and leave it blank...I have no luck at all with Jet jerseys. what was your last screen name Herm?I remember when you announced you were changing it to what's on the bavck of that jersey... It was JetFanFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 7, 2006 Share Posted January 7, 2006 This was clearly orchestrated by Peterson & Herm, and I'm not convinced Bradway didn't have a hand in it either as a potential heir-apparent to Peterson's job. This all stinks - our Jets are getting shafted, and the league is allowing it. For chrissake, the whole country knows the terms of Herm's new KC contract ($4M per year for 5 years) while he's still the Jets HC!!!!!!!!!! Gee what a shock http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl Chiefs | Edwards reportedly signed to 5-year deal Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:28:02 -0800 Adam Teicher, of the Kansas City Star, reports the Kansas City Chiefs have reportedly signed New York Jets head coach Herman Edwards to a five-year deal worth as much as $20 million. A press conference is tentatively scheduled for Monday, Jan. 9, to announce Edwards as the new Chiefs coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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