Lith Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 I would not want to see us try to develop another rookie QB unless we significantly upgrade the offensive talent first. I would prefer if we bring in a veteran as a caretaker, draft either Amari Cooper or Jaelen Strong and trade up to the back of the first round to grab a guy like Connor Cook from Mich St. This assumes we are picking top 10 next year, which seems like a pretty safe assumption at this point. I don't want to see us send another rookie QB out there with the weapons we have now. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CobraVerde Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 oh like Brady Quinn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Mariota is so overrated. I neg-repped this post because I liked the "3 up, 3 down" pattern. I have no idea if the statement itself is accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 I would not want to see us try to develop another rookie QB unless we significantly upgrade the offensive talent first. I would prefer if we bring in a veteran as a caretaker. Which one? Quality veteran QB's rarely see free agency or can be acquired via trade without giving up a huge package of picks, which in most cases simply isn't worth it (SEE: Cutler, Jay. And he's probably the BEST veteran QB acquired via trade since Drew Brees). This is currently the list of QB's set to see free agency in 2015, in order of my perceived market value: Colin Kaepernick Brian Hoyer Jake Locker Austin Davis Ryan Mallett Mark Sanchez Michael Vick Christian Ponder Matt Flynn Jason Campbell Tarvaris Jackson Shaun Hill Matt Hasselbeck Colt McCoy Terrelle Pryor Matt Moore Blaine Gabbert Thaddeus Lewis Kellen Moore Trent Edwards Luke McCown Joe Webb Tyrod Taylor Let's face it. Kaepernick isn't seeing free agency. Locker and Austin Davis will probably be brought back. As will Hoyer unless Manziel gets his shot and does something positive with it this season. If those 4 get locked up by their teams, there's no one remaining on that list I'd be interested in. So unless you want to package some picks for a re-signed Hoyer or pay an exorbitant sum for someone else around the league, the draft is our best bet for a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 As an Oregon native and a long time Duck fan, I can promise you that Mariota is NOT overrated. He puts up good numbers despite being sacked 6 times a game. He's only 20 and will need some time on the bench. Something he will never get with the Jets or Oakland. I hope neither team gets him. Im with this guy. Wishing any young QB with potential to go to the Raiders or the Jets is just mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 if 20-32 for 276 yds, 2 TDs, no turnovers is exposed, then yeah. He fumbled the ball on the last drive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 And ruin another kid's dream? I know it's very easy to say "the qb sucks" "fire the coach". And it's fun. Even girls on facebook and twitter are giving their expert analysis: OMG, like, Geno Smith is the Worst QB ever! Wait a minute---- WORSE than Mark Sanchez!? Is that possible? You mean to tell me that we replaced the sh*ttiest QB in history with an even sh*ttier one? A coincidence like that should raise a few eyebrows, and probably warrants a closer look. And upon further review the only honest assessment of Geno Smith and Mark Sanchez, among any halfway-knowledgable observer, is inconclusive. Lets separate ourselves from the woman and small children and look at some basic facts about the game: - It takes two players combined to complete a pass. Anyone who has ever played two-hand touch in the street knows this. One guy throws, one gets open and catches. Instead of "ten mississippi rush", in the NFL a QB typically has slightly under 3 seconds from the snap to get rid of the ball, before hes sacked. In that time, he drops back, searches the field for an open receiver, decides, aims, fires. In finding a target, he'll look from one receiver to the next as they run their routes, to see if he has created enough space, or separation, between himself and the defender to allow the ball to be thrown and caught without being deflected or intercepted. Naturally, he'll look to his best guy, with the best chance to make a play, first and go down the line from there. The defense will focus on taking away the best option, and its success in doing so will depend on the quanity and quality of all the options on the field. Continuing with the basics.......... The NFL is a game of split-seconds. In a throwing motion, it can be the difference from Marino to Tebow. Likewise, a guy who covers 40 yards in 4.3 seconds is a stud, if it takes him 4.7 he's a dog. Agility, route running precision, change of direction......the difference between a pro-bowler and a practice squad player is the ability to be in a certain spot within fractions of that 3-second window. It's the difference of a complete pass and a punt, a win and a loss. With that in mind now, we go back four years, to the year that Mark Sanchez stopped going to AFCCs on the road...coincidentially, back to the same year our QBs became inept. And you can't help but notice a BLATANT void of talent at the WR position, the necessary second half of a pass completion....fallen from the formidable group that had wonderfull success (and seemed to be having some fun, doing the "plane" in the endzone......) the two years prior to well below that delicate threshold of success. And there it stayed, for Sanchez' historically terrible years to now Smith's even worse ones... Remember the QB is one half of a passing attack. FOr the last FOUR years, (4), this is the second half we've thrown out there: Santonio Holmes--our supet-star, when he wasn't hurt, complaining, crying, dividing the locker room, mailing it in, under-acheiving or just plain sucking Plaxico Buress- 34, and coming off a 3 year hiatus in the clink..... playing for one more paycheck. Jeremy Kerley Stephen Hill Clyde gates Patrick turner Jordan white Jason hill Chaz Schillens Omar epps Mardy gilyard Matthew mulligan Jonathan grimes David nelson Hayden smith Greg salas Josh cribbs D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 why isn't is just "suck for the duck"? i think you're over thinking it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Taking some Beano because of Geno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F.Chowds Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 poop for coop Cooper on one side with a helathly dDeckerand kerly in the slot.. yes please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 bravo sir. Bravo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 At this point of the season, i think the Jets might have an excellent shot at the guy who will have the highest upside of all the QB's this year. IMO that's Winston. That could change as the season goes on, he's off somewhat of a Meh game, but he's got the tools. He's going to fall a bit because of his immature behavior off the field. I'd have to take a flyer on him, sit him for a year and hope he matures It's not a popular opinion but I too hope for Winston over Mariota. If I had to bet on an outcome, neither will escape the top 5. Even if Winston holds up a convenience store before the draft he's just too good to pass up. He was running dudes over last week at Wake Forest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 It's not a popular opinion but I too hope for Winston over Mariota. If I had to bet on an outcome, neither will escape the top 5. Even if Winston holds up a convenience store before the draft he's just too good to pass up. He was running dudes over last week at Wake Forest. Yeah, I watched the game, his passing was off a bit, but still I think he has the skills and size to be an excellent NFL QB. Think he'll be in the top ten still, but he now has I think at least 3 very dumb off field stunts, NFL is getting very politically correct. if the Jets finish around 6-10 think they might have a shot at him. Depends of course what the other players start to do. Will any one else step up? NCAA season is young yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted October 8, 2014 Author Share Posted October 8, 2014 why isn't is just "suck for the duck"? i think you're over thinking it I honestly didn't think about it at all. I just thought it was funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detjetsfan69 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Prefer Winston. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2226205-oregons-marcus-mariota-has-titans-fans-promoting-suck-for-the-duck-campaign how could you miss suck for the duck ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thshadow Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I like "carcass for marcus" more.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 I like "carcass for marcus" more.... Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legler82 Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 wasn't Mariota exposed the other night? Exposed for not having an o-line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Exposed for not having an o-line? Then he would feel right at home with the JETS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heymangold Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Prefer Winston. Jameis in NYC? he'd be stealing tons of crap and yelling inappropriate things all over the place. totally immature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdxgreen Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Winston's an accident waiting to happen. I realize he plays in a state of trailer trash, crooked politicians and drug dealers. But NY would be a disastrous. Mariota may be a bust but he's as boring as Derek Jeter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPBanBadPosters Posted October 11, 2014 Share Posted October 11, 2014 How can anyone watch this style of offense and gauge how this guys skills will translate to the NFL. If we take one of these new school mobile QBs we need an OC that knows what to do with them. I don't think Marty would be the guy Which is another reason I think Harbaugh would be the perfect coach if we're in a position to draft Mariota - tell me he doesn't look like a rich man's Kaepernick in college, and we all see how he developed under Harbaugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRONX DUDE Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 I watched his 2013 youtube highlights. NO ARM. RUNNING QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemusclyde Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 I watched his 2013 youtube highlights. NO ARM. RUNNING QB. Guess you didn't watch his game today, because if you did, you'd be feeling mighty stupid right now. Seriously, how the hell do you guys make comments like this when you have never watched a single game he's played in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPBanBadPosters Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 The media New York is a huge deterrent for any high-level coaching candidate to want to come to the jess not to mention what he who is obviously one of the worst owners of professional sports. The Raiders will offer some ridiculous amount of money plus you wouldn't even have to remove his family. Also the Dolphins will probably be looking for somebody and they offer that amazing climate and the Giants will probably be looking for a replacement for Coghlan because I'm sure he will retire so why would he consider the New York Jets? 1. The Giants are grooming their new OC to be their next head coach when Coughlin eventually retires, and 2. Harbaugh would consider taking the Jets job if we offered him a) more $ than anyone else, and b ) full control of the operation; both are within our ability to offer, the only question is whether Woody is prepared to make such an offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Screw Harbaugh. He won't come here and he sux anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPBanBadPosters Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Screw Harbaugh. He won't come here and he sux anyway. If by "sux" you mean has a .750 win % and in 3 years has made it to one Super Bowl and never done worse than getting to an NFCCG (with 2 different QBs, no less), then sign me up for some "sux" for the next several decades! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Schroy Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 If by "sux" you mean has a .750 win % and in 3 years has made it to one Super Bowl and never done worse than getting to an NFCCG (with 2 different QBs, no less), then sign me up for some "sux" for the next several decades! Hes an arrogant prick. But you can love him. I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deucebag Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 The only credible head coach this team ever hired was Parcells (not counting Holtz though I should). Woody doesnt believe in paying big $$$ for coaches/GMs or anyone for that matter. When your GM lacks credibility its impossible to attract a high profile coach...so the GM tends to give the job to a buddy or no-name friend....like when Tannenbaum gave the job to Mangini....So expect Izdik to give the job to someone who had no other chance to get a head coaching job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Up the Anus for Jameis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancemehl Posted October 12, 2014 Share Posted October 12, 2014 Yeah,a new qb should do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted October 12, 2014 Author Share Posted October 12, 2014 The only credible head coach this team ever hired was Parcells (not counting Holtz though I should). Woody doesnt believe in paying big $$$ for coaches/GMs or anyone for that matter. When your GM lacks credibility its impossible to attract a high profile coach...so the GM tends to give the job to a buddy or no-name friend....like when Tannenbaum gave the job to Mangini....So expect Izdik to give the job to someone who had no other chance to get a head coaching job. woody didn't own the team when parcells was coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Which one? Quality veteran QB's rarely see free agency or can be acquired via trade without giving up a huge package of picks, which in most cases simply isn't worth it (SEE: Cutler, Jay. And he's probably the BEST veteran QB acquired via trade since Drew Brees). This is currently the list of QB's set to see free agency in 2015, in order of my perceived market value: Colin Kaepernick Brian Hoyer Jake Locker Austin Davis Ryan Mallett Mark Sanchez Michael Vick Christian Ponder Matt Flynn Jason Campbell Tarvaris Jackson Shaun Hill Matt Hasselbeck Colt McCoy Terrelle Pryor Matt Moore Blaine Gabbert Thaddeus Lewis Kellen Moore Trent Edwards Luke McCown Joe Webb Tyrod Taylor Let's face it. Kaepernick isn't seeing free agency. Locker and Austin Davis will probably be brought back. As will Hoyer unless Manziel gets his shot and does something positive with it this season. If those 4 get locked up by their teams, there's no one remaining on that list I'd be interested in. So unless you want to package some picks for a re-signed Hoyer or pay an exorbitant sum for someone else around the league, the draft is our best bet for a QB. This is embarrassing to say but I'd take Matt Moore over what we have now. From what I've seen of him, he at least looked competent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I would not want to see us try to develop another rookie QB unless we significantly upgrade the offensive talent first. I would prefer if we bring in a veteran as a caretaker, draft either Amari Cooper or Jaelen Strong and trade up to the back of the first round to grab a guy like Connor Cook from Mich St. This assumes we are picking top 10 next year, which seems like a pretty safe assumption at this point. I don't want to see us send another rookie QB out there with the weapons we have now. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Just saw extensive highlights of Cook. 6'4 218. BIg kid. He is a cross breed of Manning/Rivers/Roman Gabriel. Excellent touch, strong arm, posied, smart decision making, good pocket presence. I really really like what I saw. But there's no way you draft Cooper AND Cook. Either one or the other. Both will be gone by pick 8. Petty from Baylor is an early sleeper I also like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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