Integrity28 Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Seems like maybe Idzik is going to take over as HC. Seems like he is already doing it. Kristian Dyer @KristianRDyer Rex on keeping Geno as starter: "It was an organizational decision." #Jets #NYJets1h Beat Writer / Columnist Stuff like this makes me think Rex gets another year for following orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 IMO the question here is, what sought after HC candidate will want the job under the circumstances? It seems likely that Rex will be fired, and Idzik will be given one more year to show he isn't a boob. A lot of fans, and media think that if Rex goes, Idzik should also. If Idzik does as poorly next offseason as he did this year, his head will most likely be on the block also. If your a hot commodity as a HC, do you want to sign with a team who's GM has one foot on the platform, and one foot on the train. If Idzik gets fired next year, where does it leave you? Is Woody going to keep you in place, and force the next GM to keep Idzik's selection? I'm in the camp that if Rex is chopped, Idzik should go also The people who think Idzik will be fired any time soon conveniently forget the amazing amount of rope Woody gave to Mike Tannenbaum. If Idzik wants Bevell or Quinn, he'll be able to offer assurances that he couldn't give Rex, because Rex deserved no assurances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Stuff like this makes me think Rex gets another year for following orders. I think this is what Rex refers to when he says "organizational decision": Rex: "Marty, what's goin' on with the quarterback? Jeez. Marty: "Don't worry about it." Rex: "Alright, jeez, you don't gotta yell at me." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 I think this is what Rex refers to when he says "organizational decision": Rex: "Marty, what's goin' on with the quarterback? Jeez. Marty: "Don't worry about it." Rex: "Alright, jeez, you don't gotta yell at me." Rex: "What happened to that Sparano guy? Is he still here?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 I think this is what Rex refers to when he says "organizational decision": Rex: "Marty, what's goin' on with the quarterback? Jeez. Marty: "Don't worry about it." Rex: "Alright, jeez, you don't gotta yell at me." You hear any of Rex's press conference? Between throwing Marty under the bus, and last week's no-source rumors about how Idzik picked Geno, it's very clear Ryan is doing what he does best to try to extend his career yet again. Many here consider him a "master motivator". I think that his self-preservation and masterful manipulation skills are far more impressive. I've actually never seen anything quite like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 You hear any of Rex's press conference? Between throwing Marty under the bus, and last week's no-source rumors about how Idzik picked Geno, it's very clear Ryan is doing what he does best to try to extend his career yet again. Many here consider him a "master motivator". I think that his self-preservation and masterful manipulation skills are far more impressive. I've actually never seen anything quite like it. Learned it all by watching Tannenbaum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 We have tried everything else... How about Francis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted October 10, 2014 Author Share Posted October 10, 2014 A friend of mine (soon to be ex-friend) said the other day that Jets fans wanting Rex fired is the typical knee-jerk reaction of Jets fans. I think al of you would agree with me that that's not the case. Four years ago, our offense sucked, we had virtually no passing game, we got too many dumb penalties and our defense was decent at stopping the run but couldn't stop teams on 3rd and long. I would challenge anyone to answer this question - what has changed in the past four seasons, other than our secondary sucking more? Sorry, but when nothing changes in four seasons, it's time for the head coach to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 The people who think Idzik will be fired any time soon conveniently forget the amazing amount of rope Woody gave to Mike Tannenbaum. If Idzik wants Bevell or Quinn, he'll be able to offer assurances that he couldn't give Rex, because Rex deserved no assurances. What Tannenbaum had going for him was 2 AFC championship games. He convinced Woody that all he needed was one more expensive toy, and this was the year that Sanchez was going to take a step forward. When it became obvious that wasn't going to happen he was shown the door. In Idzik's case after 2 years there seems to be even a further slide back. His young QB seems to be a bust. There really aren't any bright young players he drafted on the roster he can point to and say "see how good I did." Teams a mess. Looks like they are going to have to start all over again next year. Woody MAY be disgusted and say "yeah lets start all over again, new GM and all". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 What Tannenbaum had going for him was 2 AFC championship games. He convinced Woody that all he needed was one more expensive toy, and this was the year that Sanchez was going to take a step forward. When it became obvious that wasn't going to happen he was shown the door. In Idzik's case after 2 years there seems to be even a further slide back. His young QB seems to be a bust. There really aren't any bright young players he drafted on the roster he can point to and say "see how good I did." Teams a mess. Looks like they are going to have to start all over again next year. Woody MAY be disgusted and say "yeah lets start all over again, new GM and all". While I agree that Woody is probably that stupid, I think Idzik gets a shot with his coach and that coach's QB. If Rex is as much of a problem as I believe he is, the team will appear to have more young talent on it next year than it does now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 While I agree that Woody is probably that stupid, I think Idzik gets a shot with his coach and that coach's QB. If Rex is as much of a problem as I believe he is, the team will appear to have more young talent on it next year than it does now. We're only 5 games into the season. Lets see if this dumpster fire spreads till it burns down the whole neighborhood. Odds are that this time next week they will be 1-6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stugotz81 Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 I would love to see Rex stay as our DC. He seems like the type who would proudly accept that demotion as I don't think he would personally view it as a demotion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 I would love to see Rex stay as our DC. He seems like the type who would proudly accept that demotion as I don't think he would personally view it as a demotion. You cannot do that to the new coach. Terrible idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 I would love to see Rex stay as our DC. He seems like the type who would proudly accept that demotion as I don't think he would personally view it as a demotion. IMO that would be the perfect scenario. Also not going to happen. Rex is to involved with the players personally. A certain group of the players would still be looking at Rex as the boss, and undermine the new HC. No HC is going to risk that undermining Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 While I agree that Woody is probably that stupid, I think Idzik gets a shot with his coach and that coach's QB. If Rex is as much of a problem as I believe he is, the team will appear to have more young talent on it next year than it does now. What we are being subjected to, and what Woody facilitates, is the practice of career extension. President's do it in their first term, everything they do is meant to get them a second term. In the NFL, General Managers do it by keeping a coach they didn't choose, which buys them the amount of time it takes for that coach to get fired, as well as the time it takes to break in and see what they've got in the coach of their choice. Coaches do it by selecting rookie QBs, and squandering their career development until it become necessary to fire the offensive coordinator, then trying a new OC with the same QB, then changing QBs and OCs all over again. These are examples drawn from the Jets, because the Jets (Woody) allow themselves to be taken advantage of like this more gratuitously than many other franchises, particularly because Woody doesn't clean house. The act of cleaning house nips a lot of the exploitation of overlapping regimes in the bud. What we've seen over the last half decade between Tanny, Rex and now even Idzik seems to be doing it, is a clinic on how to add years to your career while holding the franchise hostage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stugotz81 Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 You cannot do that to the new coach. Terrible idea If you havent learned by now, you can do whatever you want when your Woody Johnson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stugotz81 Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 IMO that would be the perfect scenario. Also not going to happen. Rex is to involved with the players personally. A certain group of the players would still be looking at Rex as the boss, and undermine the new HC. No HC is going to risk that undermining I agree, it was just a lighthearted thought to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 You know what i find amazing is the job that Belichick ran away from and Al Groh trashed in a garbage can is coveted by Rex. He really wants to be here. There is no denying that when he is let go he will have other job offers. I just hope he figures this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenoandtheJets Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 John Gruden should be the Jets coach because he is very knowledgeable about the offensive and defensive sides of football. It would be great if the Jets signed him to a contract. He is what Rex Ryan is not a true football coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrunder Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 What we are being subjected to, and what Woody facilitates, is the practice of career extension. President's do it in their first term, everything they do is meant to get them a second term. In the NFL, General Managers do it by keeping a coach they didn't choose, which buys them the amount of time it takes for that coach to get fired, as well as the time it takes to break in and see what they've got in the coach of their choice. Coaches do it by selecting rookie QBs, and squandering their career development until it become necessary to fire the offensive coordinator, then trying a new OC with the same QB, then changing QBs and OCs all over again. These are examples drawn from the Jets, because the Jets (Woody) allow themselves to be taken advantage of like this more gratuitously than many other franchises, particularly because Woody doesn't clean house. The act of cleaning house nips a lot of the exploitation of overlapping regimes in the bud. What we've seen over the last half decade between Tanny, Rex and now even Idzik seems to be doing it, is a clinic on how to add years to your career while holding the franchise hostage. Brilliantly said. This is a great analogy, and an excellent analysis of why our only curse is who our owner is, nothing of the spiritual or mythological variety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 I would love to see Rex stay as our DC. He seems like the type who would proudly accept that demotion as I don't think he would personally view it as a demotion. The only coach I'd keep around is Dunbar. The rest should be dismissed along with Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 why would Jim Harbaugh take this job? the next HC will be a first timer, book it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPBanBadPosters Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 why would Jim Harbaugh take this job? I bet he'd take the job if we offered him full control (which I'd be more than willing to do). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 I bet he'd take the job if we offered him full control (which I'd be more than willing to do). The only reason a guy like Harbaugh would take this job is a dump truck full of money. Woody doesn't care enough to pay off Idzik and Rex in the same offseason, and then crack open the vault for Harbaugh. He needs that money for his daily swim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrunder Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 The only reason a guy like Harbaugh would take this job is a dump truck full of money. Woody doesn't care enough to pay off Idzik and Rex in the same offseason, and then crack open the vault for Harbaugh. He needs that money for his daily swim. Bringing in Harbaugh would probably more than pay for itself several times over, regardless of the cost. Not that Woody is smart enough to know that, but it would. I would hire Harbaugh at all costs, and let him pick the GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Bringing in Harbaugh would probably more than pay for itself several times over, regardless of the cost. Not that Woody is smart enough to know that, but it would. I would hire Harbaugh at all costs, and let him pick the GM. Oh I don't doubt that it's a smart move. It's just not a likely move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrunder Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Oh I don't doubt that it's a smart move. It's just not a likely move. I agree. Since taking over the team, not once has Woody made a smart move. He is a horrible owner. The Jets curse has been 40+ years of putrid ownership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPBanBadPosters Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 The only reason a guy like Harbaugh would take this job is a dump truck full of money. Woody doesn't care enough to pay off Idzik and Rex in the same offseason, and then crack open the vault for Harbaugh. He needs that money for his daily swim. And I'd give it to him. If I were Woody, I'd hand him a blank check and tell him to write in whatever amount he thinks he deserves. I think the investment would more than pay for itself in short order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 And I'd give it to him. If I were Woody, I'd hand him a blank check and tell him to write in whatever amount he thinks he deserves. I think the investment would more than pay for itself in short order. it's a shame you aren't Woody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 And I'd give it to him. If I were Woody, I'd hand him a blank check and tell him to write in whatever amount he thinks he deserves. I think the investment would more than pay for itself in short order. agree, it will take a ass kicker, who could care less if players like him,, in other words, a coach more interested in winning than being pals and letting less talented Vets keep jobs longer than warranted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 If Gruden is interested in coaching at all JETS might be the best destination. Other than that no other veteran coach makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 If Gruden is interested in coaching at all JETS might be the best destination. Other than that no other veteran coach makes sense. harbaugh if there is truth to the rift between he and asswipe spoiled SF owner? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 harbaugh if there is truth to the rift between he and asswipe spoiled SF owner? I am not that impressed by Harbaugh. But that's my personal opinion. A good coach yes. But can he take over for Rex. Not so sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 You should never, ever give any coach "complete control." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted October 10, 2014 Share Posted October 10, 2014 Ask Mangini to come back..............see what he says He'd say no. Mangini is just buying time. He will have his pick of teams in 2-3 years, and the Jets won't be one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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