T0mShane Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Also, came up with my own theory on the Salary Cap. Each team has 24 starters (11 on Off, 11 on Def and a Punter and PK). With us $20MM under the cap, in essence, we are playing 20 starters vs. 24 each week... Last night that showed... It's this level of math skill that led you to buy a PSL in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Our lack of players outplayed the Patriots last night. Game wasn't lost by the lack of talent last night. Same goes for the Broncos game and the Green Bay game. This narrative is ******* weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlagmanL11 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 This has nothing to do with Idzik or the talent...it's on Rex. Do you watch the games? The CB's get beat and the WR's can't get open. Mike Westoff said the exact same thing today on the Lupica show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlagmanL11 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Our lack of players outplayed the Patriots last night. Game wasn't lost by the lack of talent last night. Same goes for the Broncos game and the Green Bay game. This narrative is ******* weak. Doubt it, it is so true that there is a serious lack of skilled talent. Last night's game had a great game plan by Rex, just the execution was not there, and that is where the lack of skill comes in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latinlawyer Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Our lack of players outplayed the Patriots last night. Game wasn't lost by the lack of talent last night. Same goes for the Broncos game and the Green Bay game. This narrative is ******* weak. We have been in every single game except SD. We probably have enough horses to be at least 4-3. Idzik will be here at least 4 years...Rex is done for, MM as OC is done and the anonymous wonder is done as DC. There is gonna be a REXoning (Reckoning) and the HC will fall on his sword first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 This has nothing to do with Idzik or the talent...it's on Rex. This has nothing to do with Rex, Idzik or the talent.....it's on Woody. If for one minute anybody thinks Idzik and Rex didn't want to spend $ in areas of need, you're nuts.Woody has gone into a fiscally conservative shell. The debt on the stadium is choking the Jets. They aren't sold out,and they are not maximizing revenue. Idzik is following orders. We need new ownership, plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlagmanL11 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 It's this level of math skill that led you to buy a PSL in the first place. I like going to games and sitting in the same seats. Point is that Woody this year is cheap and not giving us the value in team salary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlagmanL11 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 This has nothing to do with Rex, Idzik or the talent.....it's on Woody. If for one minute anybody thinks Idzik and Rex didn't want to spend $ in areas of need, you're nuts.Woody has gone into a fiscally conservative shell. The debt on the stadium is choking the Jets. They aren't sold out,and they are not maximizing revenue. Idzik is following orders. We need new ownership, plain and simple. Agreed, although a good product sells tix, food and other Jets related stuff, which when you are a sliver spoon inheritor, you do not know how to make it on your own as Woody is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Our lack of players outplayed the Patriots last night. Game wasn't lost by the lack of talent last night. Same goes for the Broncos game and the Green Bay game. This narrative is ******* weak. Sure, because having 1 solid veteran cornerback on the field wouldn't have given us any chance at all to stop that 3rd and goal from the 19 play, and having an extra receiving option would have made no difference at all in converting any of those red zone possessions, and so on and so on... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Our lack of players outplayed the Patriots last night. Game wasn't lost by the lack of talent last night. Same goes for the Broncos game and the Green Bay game. This narrative is ******* weak. Replace Antonio Allen with an NFL CB and that game is won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Totally fed up with this Joker of a GM. Totally fed up with these types of threads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlagmanL11 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Totally fed up with these types of threads. Ok, so defend him and the moves/draft picks that are contributing..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Replace Antonio Allen with an NFL CB and that game is won. Like Kyle Wilson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Like Kyle Wilson? Yes Kyle Wilson that is so bad he can not even replace a converted safety in the lineup. Rex though his biggest supporter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrunder Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Like Kyle Wilson? If he were here he would wag his finger right in your grill! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Replace Antonio Allen with an NFL CB and that game is won. Whose decision was it to convert Allen from S to CB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Whose decision was it to convert Allen from S to CB? Was it... The fans? The media? John Idzik? Mike Tannenbaum? Eric Mangini? Bill Parcells? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Was it... The fans? The media? John Idzik? Mike Tannenbaum? Eric Mangini? Bill Parcells? ALL OF THE ABOVE PLZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Doubt it, it is so true that there is a serious lack of skilled talent. Last night's game had a great game plan by Rex, just the execution was not there, and that is where the lack of skill comes in. If the execution wasn't there, then the game wouldn't have been close. You are wrong in about every way possible. Game plans don't win games without execution, that game was 100% winnable IF there were timeouts leftover. Because of the fact that the Jets had no way to stop the clock on the final drive, they had to take what the defense gave them in sideline routes (to step out of bounds) and underneath passes where they couldn't pick up chunks of yards, which led to them spiking the ball to stop the clock. It is all relative. With additional timeouts, the final drive is more methodical and less fire drill. Anyway, it's absurd to say Rex almost beat the Patriots with a ******* gameplan, but the lack of talent lost it. The talent executed the gameplan, which rarely happens under Rex, sometimes it's because the players suck, other times it's because the gameplan sucks, and then there are times where both suck and the preparation sucks too... and you're an absolute fool if you this blame can be assigned to one, but not the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrunder Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Was it... The fans? The media? John Idzik? Mike Tannenbaum? Eric Mangini? Bill Parcells? It was Mark Sanchez, duh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 It is honestly stupefying that this discussion is even taking place. As you have pointed out, Tomas, our best players on offense last night were, in some order, Ivory, Geno, the OL, Decker, and maybe Cumberland. Of those nine players, six were Idzik acquisitions. We had the ball with a minute-plus left, down 2, in Foxborough, on a Thursday night. You know why we lost that game? Because a minute-plus wasn't enough, because we're so poorly coached that we can't get the ******* field goal unit off the sideline without burning a timeout. But instead of talking about that, let's bury our heads in the sand and wishcast Revis back onto the roster and play yet another round of woe-is-Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Sure, because having 1 solid veteran cornerback on the field wouldn't have given us any chance at all to stop that 3rd and goal from the 19 play, and having an extra receiving option would have made no difference at all in converting any of those red zone possessions, and so on and so on... 1 solid veteran cornerback would have totally shut down Brady's well-established ability to exploit the mismatches in a secondary. LOL, all he would have done is throw it to another target and that guy would have scored. The game came down to a failed 2-pt conversion, where Geno rushed the throw and the OL didn't hold up, and a blocked 58 yard FG. Give me a break. Replace Antonio Allen with an NFL CB and that game is won. See above. You're smarter than stoic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 With us $20MM under the cap, in essence, we are playing 20 starters vs. 24 each week... Last night that showed... keep in mind that is just cap space and there is at least 10-15 mil in dead space because of Sanchez and Holmes. The difference between the cap and the actual spending is more like 30-35 mil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 It is honestly stupefying that this discussion is even taking place. As you have pointed out, Tomas, our best players on offense last night were, in some order, Ivory, Geno, the OL, Decker, and maybe Cumberland. Of those nine players, six were Idzik acquisitions. We had the ball with a minute-plus left, down 2, in Foxborough, on a Thursday night. You know why we lost that game? Because a minute-plus wasn't enough, because we're so poorly coached that we can't get the ******* field goal unit off the sideline without burning a timeout. But instead of talking about that, let's bury our heads in the sand and wishcast Revis back onto the roster and play yet another round of woe-is-Rex. ******* yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 You know why we lost that game? Because a minute-plus wasn't enough, because we're so poorly coached that we can't get the ******* field goal unit off the sideline without burning a timeout. But instead of talking about that, if Antonio Allen a safety wasn't playing corner maybe Vereen wouldn't have waltzed into the EZ for the first score. The fact that the Jets couldn't cover is hugely relevant to why they lost. They could have had Revis AND Decker instead they have cap space and Decker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latinlawyer Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Guys, Idzik is not the one wo puts the scouting reports together. There is an armada of Jets Scouts who canvass the country looking for players. Idzik reviews their suggestions and recommendations...maybe its time to clean ot the scout group as they have not hit on many players and poach some of the scouts from the Seahawks, 49ers and texans. Idzik is going to get at least another 2 years but whoever chose Mcdougal, the the other WRs and Geno need to be replaced. The bad scouts, Rex, the OC and DC have to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 if Antonio Allen a safety wasn't playing corner maybe Vereen wouldn't have waltzed into the EZ for the first score. The fact that the Jets couldn't cover is hugely relevant to why they lost. They could have had Revis AND Decker instead they have cap space and Decker. Brady has faced the Jets with Revis. He just throws it to everyone not covered by Revis and beats us silly. Give me a break with the hypotheticals and fallacies... if we had Revis and Decker, then maybe the Pats used the Revis money to sign Talib, Golden Tate, and keep Mangold and clobber the sh*t out of us anyway. Nonsense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 if Antonio Allen a safety wasn't playing corner maybe Vereen wouldn't have waltzed into the EZ for the first score. The fact that the Jets couldn't cover is hugely relevant to why they lost. They could have had Revis AND Decker instead they have cap space and Decker. Who made the decision to convert Allen from S to CB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I've changed my mind after this game...Idzik should be fired 3 seconds before Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Who made the decision to convert Allen from S to CB? I have news for you... it doesn't matter if Allen was playing CB or S last night, the Pats would have still found a way to get the matchup against him they wanted and exploit it. They've done it for a decade. If our time of possession wasn't so high, Brady would have dropped 350 on us with no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 keep in mind that is just cap space and there is at least 10-15 mil in dead space because of Sanchez and Holmes. The difference between the cap and the actual spending is more like 30-35 mil. There aren't any other clubs, we can suppose, that have dead cap space, right? Just the Jets? If I understand dead cap space correctly, if one really wanted to be miserly, he could have kept those players, rather than paying those players AND paying their replacements. Correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 if Antonio Allen a safety wasn't playing corner maybe Vereen wouldn't have waltzed into the EZ for the first score. The fact that the Jets couldn't cover is hugely relevant to why they lost. They could have had Revis AND Decker instead they have cap space and Decker. So, as much as you LOVED the Jets draft, I assume it is the free agents pickups of Idzik that bother you so much. Correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Was it... The fans? The media? John Idzik? Mike Tannenbaum? Eric Mangini? Bill Parcells? lol like he had a choice given the wealth of cb talent being provided by that idziot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 if Antonio Allen a safety wasn't playing corner maybe Vereen wouldn't have waltzed into the EZ for the first score. The fact that the Jets couldn't cover is hugely relevant to why they lost. They could have had Revis AND Decker instead they have cap space and Decker. with 20million they could have had decker, revis, and cap space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Straw Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 This has nothing to do with Idzik or the talent...it's on Rex. I would love to hear your supporting argument for this. Without any facts, it's a baseless statement. And I'm not defending Rex here, so please don't take my comment as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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