PatsFanTX Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 You didn't read the post. I did, and I like Kerley. But comparing him to Edelman is like comparing Coples to JJ Watt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets Voice of Reason Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Wake me up when Kerley has a Hall of Fame QB throwing to him See you in 4 years Rip van Winkle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Why? Again, I don't get this logic by some of you. This team has been devoid of playmakers for what feels like forever, now, because we signed Decker, we extend Kerley and we roll the dice on Harvin we've somehow hit the limit on how much we can invest in WR? Extending Kerley has absolutely no impact on whether we draft Amari Cooper — whether or not Geno makes the coaching staff think he's the guy does. I was hoping for Cooper, Decker, Harvin next year. No way it would be Cooper, Decker, Harvin, Kerley. Either Cooper or Harvin won't be here. No way we have all four. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I was hoping for Cooper, Decker, Harvin next year. No way it would be Cooper, Decker, Harvin, Kerley. Either Cooper or Harvin won't be here. No way we have all four. Trading for Harvin (assuming he sticks) should have no impact on drafting a guy like Cooper. If he's the BAP, it'll be the right move. Rookie contracts are no longer back-breakers, and next year's first round draft pick's first opportunity for a new deal will come when Decker, Harvin, and Kerley's deals are expired or close to it. It does almost certainly knock them out of the free agent market at the position, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Trading for Harvin (assuming he sticks) should have no impact on drafting a guy like Cooper. If he's the BAP, it'll be the right move. Rookie contracts are no longer back-breakers, and next year's first round draft pick's first opportunity for a new deal will come when Decker, Harvin, and Kerley's deals are expired or close to it. It does almost certainly knock them out of the free agent market at the position, though. No one really drafts BAP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Wake me up when Kerley has over 100 receptions for over 1,000 yards. What's your garage code? You know, just in case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 What's your garage code? You know, just in case. 2-0-0-4-* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 No one really drafts BAP The best drafters do. At least in the top few rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJets Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I did, and I like Kerley. But comparing him to Edelman is like comparing Coples to JJ Watt. Not a fair or valid comparison at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I was hoping for Cooper, Decker, Harvin next year. No way it would be Cooper, Decker, Harvin, Kerley. Either Cooper or Harvin won't be here. No way we have all four. Look around the league. You are wrong. Every team in the NFL would kill to have the problem of Kerley as their 4th best WR. Seriously, all our fans did for the past few years is cry 'no weaponz' and now there's an imaginary limit on how many guys we can load up on at skill positions? SMH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 The best drafters do. At least in the top few rounds. nah, not really. if a team already has a stud franchise qb, they aren't taking a qb top 5 picks. just like jets shouldn't draft DL even if that's BAP when they are up. BAP is a factor, but so is need. no team goes purely BAP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Look at the way the Packers built their WR corps. Jordy, Randall and James Jones were there. Didn't drop them from drsfting Boykin, then Davante Adams the next year. It 'a okay to have 4 good receivers. It's allowed, ya know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 nah, not really. if a team already has a stud franchise qb, they aren't taking a qb top 5 picks. just like jets shouldn't draft DL even if that's BAP when they are up. BAP is a factor, but so is need. no team goes purely BAP. Oh. So given the current state of the Jets' WRs, if Cooper is the BAP on the board when it's their turn to pick, should they take him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Look at the way the Packers built their WR corps. Jordy, Randall and James Jones were there. Didn't drop them from drsfting Boykin, then Davante Adams the next year. It 'a okay to have 4 good receivers. It's allowed, ya know... In the perfect world. you are drafting your 4th WR on the cheap and developing them. Of course, the Jets are not in that space or have that luxury. I have no qualms with the signing, other than it was interesting in terms of timing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Look around the league. You are wrong. Every team in the NFL would kill to have the problem of Kerley as their 4th best WR. Seriously, all our fans did for the past few years is cry 'no weaponz' and now there's an imaginary limit on how many guys we can load up on at skill positions? SMH Yeah I'm not understanding the fan base right now. Makes no sense. Who says we can't draft a receiver just because we traded for one and re-signed one of our own? Just don't get it. Weaponz people weaponz, remember? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Oh. So given the current state of the Jets' WRs, if Cooper is the BAP on the board when it's their turn to pick, should they take him? depends if cooper is a 95 and the next available cb is a 94, they should go with the cb. have to flex a bit with a team with glaring holes. otherwise why does the GM even attend the draft? just give the list of players ranked by BAP and go golfing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I did, and I like Kerley. But comparing him Geno to Edelman Brady is like comparing Coples to JJ Watt. Fixed. Kerley got 827 yards last year with Geno. There is no difference between him and Edelman. Both were treated like their teams' WR1's last year due to injuries and produced. The only difference between them is Edelman has a 10X better QB and makes more money. That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 depends if cooper is a 95 and the next available cb is a 94, they should go with the cb. have to flex a bit with a team with glaring holes. otherwise why does the GM even attend the draft? just give the list of players ranked by BAP and go golfing. Only if Rex returns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 2-0-0-4-* #golfclap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Fixed. Kerley got 827 yards last year with Geno. There is no difference between him and Edelman. Both were treated like their teams' WR1's last year due to injuries and produced. The only difference between them is Edelman has a 10X better QB and makes more money. That's it. Actually he got 827 yards two years ago with Sanchez. Last year he got 500 or say with Geno. Edelman was targeted like 150 times last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Fixed. Kerley got 827 yards last year with Geno. There is no difference between him and Edelman. Both were treated like their teams' WR1's last year due to injuries and produced. The only difference between them is Edelman has a 10X better QB and makes more money. That's it. Actually JK got 523 yards last year. The 827 was in 2012. Which speaks volumes considering Sanchez/Tebow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Actually he got 827 yards two years ago with Sanchez. Last year he got 500 or say with Geno. Edelman was targeted like 150 times last year. Beat me to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I'd go over again the difference between the X, Z and slot receivers, but there's something in the water here where half the people only think you're either a split-end or a slot receiver. Ok, don't go over it. Just tell me which letters Kerley and Harvin are. Thx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 My bad. Bottom line is Kerley has produced with two terrible QB's. Edelman performs a little better with a HoF QB and suddenly he's the JJ Watt of WR's. TX is funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Look around the league. You are wrong. Every team in the NFL would kill to have the problem of Kerley as their 4th best WR. Seriously, all our fans did for the past few years is cry 'no weaponz' and now there's an imaginary limit on how many guys we can load up on at skill positions? SMH How many 4th receivers make 5 M + Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 How many 4th receivers make 5 M + He's not out 4th receiver, why are people saying this? At worst he's our WR3 (which is a valuable position; Welker and Manny Sanders both make over $5M per year in Denver) and if Percy Harvin doesn't work out, he's truly an every down guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 He's not out 4th receiver, why are people saying this? At worst he's our WR3 (which is a valuable position; Welker and Manny Sanders both make over $5M per year in Denver) and if Percy Harvin doesn't work out, he's truly an every down guy.It's actually 4M+, my mistake. We know he's our number 3, we're saying he would be the #4 if we drafted Cooper and still hung onto Harvin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 It's actually 4M+, my mistake. We know he's our number 3, we're saying he would be the #4 if we drafted Cooper and still hung onto Harvin. Those are hypothetical scenarios so I don't see how it's relevant. No one projects who they're going to draft the NEXT year and bases their decisions on contract extensions on that. We don't know if Harvin is going to prove worthy to hang onto. We don't know where we'll be drafting. With the information at hand Idzik made a good decision in giving Kerley a reasonable deal. If he eventually needs to be cut, it won't be hard to do so because of the small amount of guaranteed money we're giving him (relatively speaking). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 He's not out 4th receiver, why are people saying this? At worst he's our WR3 (which is a valuable position; Welker and Manny Sanders both make over $5M per year in Denver) and if Percy Harvin doesn't work out, he's truly an every down guy. I think the idea might be that Amaro is our 3rd receiver. That he is listed at TE, and is the size of a TE, is irrelevant; he is a pure pass catcher. A guy with his size and athleticism should be a mismatch in coverage no matter who's on him and he should be our 3rd receiving option (and even that's only if Harvin is Minnesota Harvin again). Or more correctly, he should be the QB's primary read on the 3rd most number of plays at worst. Kerley will only occasionally be the QB's first read. If that isn't the "plan" then it was another wasted draft pick to use a top 50 pick on him in a WR-rich draft when the top candidate for the job opposite Decker was (then) Stephen Hill. I think Amaro's going to be looked back upon as a good pick (particularly if we get consistently good QB play). Kerley is the 4th receiving option among three WRs and a TE, regardless of where any WR (or TE) lines up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I did, and I like Kerley. But comparing him to Edelman is like comparing Coples to JJ Watt. Edelman is the best offensive player in the league? That's news to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 How many 4th receivers make 5 M + This is a stupid gripe. He won't be 4th next year. He'll be our most tenured WR. I called him our 4th, because long-term, in a hypothetical scenario where we draft Cooper, that's what he'd become. What difference does what he makes matter? All everyone has done is piss and moan about Idzik not spending, then when he does it's more waterworks over how he spent. Kerley got a team friendly contract, and in case some of you have forgotten, Harvin hasn't actually done sh*t for a couple years. The Kerley contract is an insurance policy against the Harvin experiment failing, and it buys us flexibility in the 2015 off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 He's not out 4th receiver, why are people saying this? At worst he's our WR3 (which is a valuable position; Welker and Manny Sanders both make over $5M per year in Denver) and if Percy Harvin doesn't work out, he's truly an every down guy. Our fans get exactly what they deserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 I am not all up in arms about this. My feeling is just that $4M is the high side of what this guy should get on the open market. Sure it is only $5 and a half guaranteed, but then you have to hold on to him for two years to even make it worthwhile. No big deal, but not the bargain I was hoping for. Maybe they know he is better than that and are making a concession for having a sh*tty QB and complimentary WRs or maybe it has to do with the cap going up. It is a fair deal, but wIth Idzik I am not impressed with fair deals. If he was going to pay fair money we'd have had another WR and at least one more CB going into the season - though the deal he gave Patterson was more than fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 It is a fair deal, but wIth Idzik I am not impressed with fair deals. lolwut? So we're supposed to get decent players to take dirt cheap deals just because? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 lolwut? So we're supposed to get decent players to take dirt cheap deals just because? What is the rush to extend a guy at a price that I consider on the high side of fair? Should I do cartwheels for paying market price for this kid? We nickel and dimed everybody throughout the free agency period and now in the middle of a lost season we are suddenly spending. I would have been much happier to spend this money on Andre Roberts or Emmanuel Sanders and been able to go into the season with an NFL level WR corps. Hell we even could have gone into the draft without a pathetic need that caused us to burn 3 picks on complete crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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