Herm Supporters Only

[The Gun Of Bavaria]

Gents,

I'm curious about how you guys feel about this question. Please answer honestly. Herm bashers please play nice.

Supporters of HE:

Knowing what you know now. The 'dinner' dates, the quasi-tampering, but above all else, the fact that Herman Edwards seems to have wanted out of NY more then anything in the world, are you still upset he's leaving?

[NYRICAN]

well first of all there is nothing wrong with enjoying dinner with some old friends...

yes I'm upset that Herm is leaving... but this is a business.... if he wants to leave and can leave so be it... the chiefs must have high regard for Herman Edwards.. he is a respected coach and person in the league.. I wish Herm Edwards and his family happiness in KC..

I hope that the Jets choose the next coach wisely

Bradway don't panic and make the right choice...

[PatsFanTX]

Gents,

I'm curious about how you guys feel about this question. Please answer honestly. Herm bashers please play nice.

Supporters of HE:

Knowing what you know now. The 'dinner' dates, the quasi-tampering, but above all else, the fact that Herman Edwards seems to have wanted out of NY more then anything in the world, are you still upset he's leaving?

I heard BZ is also moving to Kansas City.

[Scott Dierking]

Is there really a faction that wants Herm edwards to achieve more than the Jets to achieve?

[The Gun Of Bavaria]

Is there really a faction that wants Herm edwards to achieve more than the Jets to achieve?

Personally I hope he falls flat on his ass.

[JonEJet]

**** Herm...He;'s with the Chiefs now

I was more worried about losing Donnie, which i think is going to happen

Losing Donnie BLOWS

[deadringer]

Gents,

I'm curious about how you guys feel about this question. Please answer honestly. Herm bashers please play nice.

Supporters of HE:

Knowing what you know now. The 'dinner' dates, the quasi-tampering, but above all else, the fact that Herman Edwards seems to have wanted out of NY more then anything in the world, are you still upset he's leaving?

yes and no...i dont want a coach who doesnt want to be here...but i did like herm, and i have a sneaking suspicion that his successor is going to make him look like the second coming of vince lombardi...but at this point, herm edwards is the coach of the chiefs, so i hope he fails...

[PatsFanTX]

F#ck Herm...He;'s with the Chiefs now

I was more worried about losing Donnie, which i think is going to happen

Losing Donnie BLOWS

Watch what happens next.

Hermy offers Hendu the Assistant HC title and he joins Hermy in KC as the Chiefs DC. :wink:

[jetswin]

I always looked at Herm differently than any other Jets coach. I bought into his shtick about how he was a man of honor, how his guys played to win, his work ethic, etc. I gave him a pass for his Sunday failings because I thought he was terrific the rest of the week.

The main reason I was able to look at him differently is that I thought he was somewhat above the rest of the crowd characterwise. I can say now that Herm is full of crap, he lied to his team, his owner, and most importantly to me, the fans of this woeful franchise. the result has dropped him into the lower levels of coaching because his most outstanding feature IMHO has been compromised, he has been compromised, and pro football players would be wise to be very careful to ever take him at his word again.

[SouthernJet]

Watch what happens next.

Hermy offers Hendu the Assistant HC title and he joins Hermy in KC as the Chiefs DC. :wink:

bye

[AVM]

i said it last night...and ill say it again. I supported herm 100%, loved him, didnt want to lose him....after this...im sickened by him. He might still be a great person, and i think he probably is, but as a professional, he is a liar and a traitor. Forget him, i can only pray that in the next few years, we become a playoff calibur team again, and play kansas city, so we can knock him out and he can proclaim how "proud" he is of his old team. As of right now this is not your team, and it never will be again. Goodbye herm.

[Warfish]

Gents,

I'm curious about how you guys feel about this question. Please answer honestly. Herm bashers please play nice.

Supporters of HE:

Knowing what you know now. The 'dinner' dates, the quasi-tampering, but above all else, the fact that Herman Edwards seems to have wanted out of NY more then anything in the world, are you still upset he's leaving?

Yes, I am.

I feel Herm was a good Head Coach. Todays HC is not the gameplanner sso many seem to think, they are (for the most part) the C.E.O. of the team, there to run the overall show of the team, not call plays. That is why you hire quality Co-Ordinators. Herm's leadership, motivational skills and passion were exactly what a HC needs to bring to his job.

Did (does) he have flaws? Of course he does. Clock management, veteran obsession, conservatism all are issues. But some of the criticism I've read today (like the Dick Curl clock guy thing) are simply assinine. Many many NFL Head Coaches use multiple assistants to help manage the various issues (especially replay, challenge and time management issues) they must face in a game. Even Joe Gibbs, for HOF one example.

With that said, I find his One Division Championship and three playoff appearances to be quite good over the past 4 years. No coach in the NFL, not even those some Jets fans seem to want to verbally slurp every three seconds (Parcells anyone?) could have created a winner out of the disaster of 2006, the injuries upon injuries to not role players, but core players. Take Brady and his #2 out of the picture, and tell me how great the Pats are this season, honestly. The myth-making of Parcells and Bellichek need to end someday....they are great great coaches (or were in the case of the Fatty Tuna), but not Gods.

And I place MOST of the blame for where we stand today on the head of G.M. Terry Bradway. The reason we are in cap hell, the reason we lack youth and talent at many positions, the reason many of our most heralded picks havn't worked out.....all lie at the feet of Terry Bradway.

You makie a point of saying how horrid it is that "Herm wanted Out". The question I've yet to see really addressed is this: Why would Herm want out SO badly? Answer that, and maybe you'll start to see the deeper problems in New York.

For the organization to cut Herm (a vastly underpaid Herm btw, in comparison to the rest of the NFL) off at the knees, while keeping Bradway around, shows the incompetence of this franchise.

With this owner, and this GM, we get EXACTLY what we deserve.

And we are the Jets, so get out of your minds the idea we're going to replace Herm with someone equal. We're going to hire a second rate wanna-be, a Fassel, a Haslett, or worse, a supremely inexperiuenced Hendu, or a vastly over-rated (by Jets fans) Dinger.

So yes, I am unhppy today on many many fronts. The decision, the organization, the compensation, the future I see for this franchise.

So there. Feel free to tell me how stupid, lame, disloyal, ignorant and dumb I am.

[PatsFanTX]

Fish, good to see you back.

Where the hell have you been buddy?

[joewilly]

I was a herm supporter.....barely...... I have no problem with upgrading him as our head coach, providing we do so.

We don't know the whole story of how the whole departure thing transpired. I do not blame Herm for leaving ny & heading to KC as I am confident it was not all one sided(it never is). I wish him well & am anxious to see the replacement step in, whoever the poor bastard might be.

I am of the opinion a sound football franchise starts with knowledgeable ownership who gives a sh*t about the team & until we have that in place, we are doomed to mediocracy. until this year, herm raised this franchise to a better level than what we had & what we are about to enjoy for the next few years

[Warfish]

Fish, good to see you back.

Where the hell have you been buddy?

I have remained a "JI'ite" I suppose. I know, I know, not a popular decision, especially round here, lol.

One could ask you the same question my friend.

[BwanaZulia]

It is hard to wade through all of the media hype, rumor, myths, but in the end I think we lost a good coach.

The heart of the Jets to me was always Curtis, Chad, Wayne, Kevin and Herm. It looks more and more like most of them will not be back and that is sad.

Funny, all the NFL fans I talk to today (Packers, Giants, Eagles) all say "That is a real loss, Herm is a good coach" and that is how I feel. I feel like we lost a good coach.

I wish him the best.

As a Jet fan, bring on the new coach, a new season and another shot or two in the playoffs. I just hope in 5 years from now we don't look back and see what a loss this was. I hope the next coach can bring us to the playoffs as much and keep us as competitive, hopefully winning us a Super Bowl.

BZ

[Scott Dierking]

The crux of the problem is this-So many fan sites, this one included, wanted to make factions of everybody.

Line up on one side of the wall if you are for Herm Edwards. Line up against the other wall if you hate him. At the whistle, please hurl insults at each other.

The issue and the man became so black/white (no pun intended), and polarized people. No one would allow you to have grey explanations. It really became quite pathetic.

By the end, one faction was actually hoping for the team that they root for to lose, just so that they could have the end result that they wanted for the man. A personality, that is.

That is just plain sad.

I am sure it will happen again.

[Thor99]

I thought this thread was titled "The Only Herm Supporter."

I was waiting for BZ to chime in.

[BwanaZulia]

Knowing what you know now. The 'dinner' dates, the quasi-tampering, but above all else, the fact that Herman Edwards seems to have wanted out of NY more then anything in the world, are you still upset he's leaving?

I missed maybe ten hours on this board, where did the 'dinner' dates and 'quasi-tampering' come in?

BZ

[MiamiJet]

Yes, I am.

I feel Herm was a good Head Coach. Todays HC is not the gameplanner sso many seem to think, they are (for the most part) the C.E.O. of the team, there to run the overall show of the team, not call plays. That is why you hire quality Co-Ordinators. Herm's leadership, motivational skills and passion were exactly what a HC needs to bring to his job.

Did (does) he have flaws? Of course he does. Clock management, veteran obsession, conservatism all are issues. But some of the criticism I've read today (like the d!ck Curl clock guy thing) are simply assinine. Many many NFL Head Coaches use multiple assistants to help manage the various issues (especially replay, challenge and time management issues) they must face in a game. Even Joe Gibbs, for HOF one example.

With that said, I find his One Division Championship and three playoff appearances to be quite good over the past 4 years. No coach in the NFL, not even those some Jets fans seem to want to verbally slurp every three seconds (Parcells anyone?) could have created a winner out of the disaster of 2006, the injuries upon injuries to not role players, but core players. Take Brady and his #2 out of the picture, and tell me how great the Pats are this season, honestly. The myth-making of Parcells and Bellichek need to end someday....they are great great coaches (or were in the case of the Fatty Tuna), but not Gods.

And I place MOST of the blame for where we stand today on the head of G.M. Terry Bradway. The reason we are in cap hell, the reason we lack youth and talent at many positions, the reason many of our most heralded picks havn't worked out.....all lie at the feet of Terry Bradway.

You makie a point of saying how horrid it is that "Herm wanted Out". The question I've yet to see really addressed is this: Why would Herm want out SO badly? Answer that, and maybe you'll start to see the deeper problems in New York.

For the organization to cut Herm (a vastly underpaid Herm btw, in comparison to the rest of the NFL) off at the knees, while keeping Bradway around, shows the incompetence of this franchise.

With this owner, and this GM, we get EXACTLY what we deserve.

And we are the Jets, so get out of your minds the idea we're going to replace Herm with someone equal. We're going to hire a second rate wanna-be, a Fassel, a Haslett, or worse, a supremely inexperiuenced Hendu, or a vastly over-rated (by Jets fans) Dinger.

So yes, I am unhppy today on many many fronts. The decision, the organization, the compensation, the future I see for this franchise.

So there. Feel free to tell me how stupid, lame, disloyal, ignorant and dumb I am.

I like Herm the man, but Herm the coach left a lot to be desired, in my eyes.

Can I fault him for leaving? I really don't. I don't share the anger for the man that so many fans have. If I were in his shoes, I probably would've bolted too. Would you have stayed?

Think about this for a second. His franchise qb is realistically done, finished, kaput. His star running back is also near the finish line. He has little room under the cap to work with, and the GM that is mainly responsible for supplying him with the talent he needs to survive, restock and go to war with has only made strides of late. He stuck him with bad drafts, and was the main reason why he had a losing season in 03.

I wouldn't sleep too well at night with this to think about....

All of this to deal with and Herm is also looking at a do or die 06. What are the chances of him turning things around? Slim. I wouldn't pin my career hopes on Bradway, that's for sure.

Factor in this dream job in KC, with many tools in place offensively, and some weapons to work with on D, plus a $4 mill a deal gig, and no wonder he's leaving. Better to leave now than wait and miss out.

Herm does deserve blame though. He is not innocent. Yeah, I'm sure that Vermeil's retirement, plus the Peterson public praise were all ironic

Herm also brought in his "people", including free agents and staff and we all know how much they suck.

The problem is, we're stuck with a lemon. This team is done. Yes, we have some good, young players, but I don't trust bradway to rebuild it. Give me Wolf, Pioli, Savage or someone with a much better track record. Bradway should share the blame and be fired, but Woody has opened my eyes with his actions. He settled for the 4th rounder, and he's settling for a man who deserves to be out the door as well.

No Herm should not be judged solely for 05. he's being judged for Hackett, Cotrell, Hatchette, Robinson, his gamble on Chad, and his overall body of work. Many here just think that 5 years is enough, and that he had ample opportunity to effect a more lasting positive change on this organzation. Instead, things are worse than when he entered. That is telling.

Herm, whether right or wrong, is paying his dues for his erros, and Bradway's. The problem is, we're still stuck with Terry....

[joewilly]

good post miamijet.

[SouthernJet]

The heart of the Jets to me was always Curtis, Chad, Wayne, Kevin and Herm. It looks more and more like most of them will not be back and that is sad.

BZ

See thats the problem, this isnt a Madden video game frozen in time,,,

Lord;

Curtis = slow and older than my scivies

Wayne = old and doesnt know what day it is

Kevin = old and undermatched against big DTs

Herm = one of worst game day managers around and inability to go with youth

If thats the face of our franchise than we are freakin doomed, this is what you want?

[Smizzy]

I have remained a "JI'ite" I suppose. I know, I know, not a popular decision, especially round here, lol.

One could ask you the same question my friend.

He likes playing at the adult table.

[isired]

I like Herm the man, but Herm the coach left a lot to be desired, in my eyes.

best post so far on the topic, and the above is the best statement (though herm the man has taken a major hit-- i have no problem with him doing what he did, most of us would, but then don't paint yourself as a picture of integrity). i think we all knew 5 years ago that herm was a work in progress, that he was learning on the job, and most of us accepted that because, at the time, it seemed to be the best move. problem is, his progress regressed, or at the very least he stopped progressing.

[GreenBeans]

He likes playing at the adult table.

At $55 a seat - no thanks. Good to see an appearance by the Fish, though. Porcupine Tree!

[Smizzy]

At $55 a seat - no thanks. Good to see an appearance by the Fish, though. Porcupine Tree!

That would be $55 a seat to sit at the kids table.

[GreenBeans]

That would be $55 a seat to sit at the kids table.

Damn. I screwed that one up, huh?

[bitonti]

Supporters of HE:

Knowing what you know now. The 'dinner' dates, the quasi-tampering, but above all else, the fact that Herman Edwards seems to have wanted out of NY more then anything in the world, are you still upset he's leaving?

I have been literally speechless throughout this.

Seems to me Herman Edwards for a 4th is getting taken to the cleanres.

it was rumored to be brewing for months i think the NFL should step in and discipline Carl Peterson for tampering. I am upset he is leaving but will be more upset if the Jets screw up their next move which is deciding on a new HC.

I'm willing to see it through I root for the laundry. but I just hope they know what they are doing down there are WEH, and I sincerly hope all of you Herm bashers were smarter than me.

[JerryK]

I've been sorta indifferent regarding Herm. I don't feel like I know enough to be really vocal either way.

But people will always change jobs. And I don't know how anyone with a strong work ethic can find another job without doing a little sneaking around.

My biggest concern is how the Jets will handle it. Will they be like the Pistons, who seem to be doing just fine without Larry Brown, or will they be like the Lions...whose choice is yet unknown, but certain to have you laughing for the next 3 years?

uncertainty.

[Savage69]

I wish Herm nothing but the Best! Both he and his wife love the KC area and he's going to a winning Team which he needs to do because no way could he go to a Team that needed rebuilding! This deal has been going on for awhile though..Herm asking for a raise after a 4-12 season?? Why not ask last year coming off a 10-6 year! If you had a terrible time at work is that the time to ask the Boss for a raise?? Herm did it on purpose to stir the pot! Herm isn't the Saint everyone thinks he is! On a Fun note I hear that Martin is hoping the Jets hire Hackett as the new HC!!

[Preston Howley III]

If Herm had any sense of decency, he would have stepped down as HC at the end of last season.

That MF'er knew damn well Vermeil was retiring and he knew damn well that Peterson was going to conspire with to help him get out of here, with the conclusion of this season.

This all didn't just "happen" a month ago.

That bastard f***ed all of us, good and hard. Well, I'm going to write a looooooooooooong story about this, and it's not going to be nice.

Woody is a dumb moron, he should have cleaned house in 2003, but he went and gave Herm an extension (just so he could buy some more time between then and Vermeil's retirement).

Herm calculated this episode years in advance.

He is a scumbag, and I saw right through him for years, and you Hermaphrodites called me every name in the book.

SHAME ON ALL OF YOU.

[Savage69]

If Herm had any sense of decency, he would have stepped down as HC at the end of last season.

That MF'er knew damn well Vermeil was retiring and he knew damn well that Peterson was going to conspire with to help him get out of here, with the conclusion of this season.

This all didn't just "happen" a month ago.

That bastard f***ed all of us, good and hard. Well, I'm going to write a looooooooooooong story about this, and it's not going to be nice.

Woody is a dumb moron, he should have cleaned house in 2003, but he went and gave Herm an extension (just so he could buy some more time between then and Vermeil's retirement).

Herm calculated this episode years in advance.

He is a scumbag, and I saw right through him for years, and you Hermaphrodites called me every name in the book.

SHAME ON ALL OF YOU.

You,Me,Bob,Sperm and a handful of others know a Flim Flam snake oil salesman when we see one.. :wink:

[Scott Dierking]

If Herm had any sense of decency, he would have stepped down as HC at the end of last season.

That MF'er knew damn well Vermeil was retiring and he knew damn well that Peterson was going to conspire with to help him get out of here, with the conclusion of this season.

This all didn't just "happen" a month ago.

That bastard f***ed all of us, good and hard. Well, I'm going to write a looooooooooooong story about this, and it's not going to be nice.

Woody is a dumb moron, he should have cleaned house in 2003, but he went and gave Herm an extension (just so he could buy some more time between then and Vermeil's retirement).

Herm calculated this episode years in advance.

He is a scumbag, and I saw right through him for years, and you Hermaphrodites called me every name in the book.

SHAME ON ALL OF YOU.

If Herm had just "stepped down" he still would have been property of teh Jets, and more than likely, the Chiefs would have had to pay MORE than just a 4th pick.

Ponder that for one second.

This reeks all the way around.

[Preston Howley III]

You,Me,Bob,Sperm and a handful of others know a Flim Flam snake oil salesman when we see one.. :wink:

Yup.

[Preston Howley III]

If Herm had just "stepped down" he still would have been property of teh Jets, and more than likely, the Chiefs would have had to pay MORE than just a 4th pick.

Ponder that for one second.

This reeks all the way around.

Scott, it makes me sick, knowing that the HC was a man who knew he was out of here after this season, and just looking at some of the decisions that he made along the way- KNOWING HE WAS GONE- destroyed Chad's career.

How could he do that?

How does this guy sleep at night?