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The Dolphins are the only one that can breathe under water.

 

Am I right????

  

Buffalo is the only New York team

  

Its the Jets! 

 

The Jets logo is the only logo not sporting a mammal.

  

thats too easy, the bills and because they never won a superbowl

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So many of these threads have been about how the Jets fans want to get Idzik and Rex fired but what I don't understand is their logic.

 

Starting with Rex who in some ways I can understand seeing as he is more of a friend to the players than a boss and that can without a doubt cause problems. Rex has done some great things for our team, sure it is easy to point fingers and blame Rex because our team has only 1 win and 8 losses at this point in the season but remember not only that our team has suffered greatly from a couple unfortunate injuries but also we have played some tough teams led by the best quarterbacks in the league (the only qb in the elite bracket we don't play this year is Brees who isn't having the greatest of seasons). Aside from the fact that we have played these great teams we have also suffered from a couple of really bad calls from the referees this season, one example would be when we played the bears where we had a pass interference call that should have been on Alshon Jeffery but instead was called on Antonio Allen and we also had a fumble that Wilkerson recovered and returned for a touchdown that was blown dead when it shouldn't have been. Remember last year when everyone thought the jets were going to have a season like we were having this year and we ended up at 8 wins and 8 losses, Rex didn't do such a bad job then and we were missing talented players all over the field. The thing that I love about Rex is that when he has players with a shred of talent (which we don't at the CB or QB position this year) they will play their hearts out for him.

 

Idzik I think has been doing a pretty good job as our general manager and I don't understand where all of the hatred is coming from. Idzik might not have spent  all of our money on a cornerback who could have of course helped the team and that I understand people being a bit angry about however Idzik also cant see into the future, what I mean by this of course is that at the beginning of the season we had Milliner who looked pretty good tword the end of last season, Patterson who although is not great was supposed to be half decent and McDougle who showed a couple of really great things in the preseason, how could Idzik have possibly known that all three of these guys would end up not contributing to our team this year? another thing that people are complaining about is that out of 12 players drafted this year we only have 4 left on our roster but how many of these players can you really expect to keep? yes I agree on the point that some of our draft picks might have been questionable however in a normal draft anyone that is drafted after round three is basically a crapshoot, you pick the guy who you think is going to be the best and hope that he lives up to the expectations however it is unreasonable to think that our round 5,6, and 7 players are all going to end up on the roster or on any roster for that matter. Idzik brought in some players at a fair price who he believed to be good for our team (Decker,Johnson) and like the draft sometimes even the veterens don't pan out the way you think they could (Johnson) but what more can he do than try? Idzik also made a trade that brought Percy Harvin to the jets at a low risk and high potential reward. Idzik might not have found us a cb to trade for which we obviously desperately need but im sure he tried. 

 

The truth is that with our Serious problems at the QB and CB positions the jets would be a losing team no matter who our head coach or general manager is. its obvious that we are all frustrated because our team is doing terrible and it is easy to pick someone to dump the blame on, but in reality both Rex and Idzik have done some great thing for the jets and I really find it hard to blame either one of them (atleast totally blame) for the jets only having one win so far this season.

I want to humor this.

So what should we do differently heading into 2015? Or are you cool with 3-13 every year?

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So many of these threads have been about how the Jets fans want to get Idzik and Rex fired but what I don't understand is their logic.

 

Starting with Rex who in some ways I can understand seeing as he is more of a friend to the players than a boss and that can without a doubt cause problems. Rex has done some great things for our team, sure it is easy to point fingers and blame Rex because our team has only 1 win and 8 losses at this point in the season but remember not only that our team has suffered greatly from a couple unfortunate injuries but also we have played some tough teams led by the best quarterbacks in the league (the only qb in the elite bracket we don't play this year is Brees who isn't having the greatest of seasons). Aside from the fact that we have played these great teams we have also suffered from a couple of really bad calls from the referees this season, one example would be when we played the bears where we had a pass interference call that should have been on Alshon Jeffery but instead was called on Antonio Allen and we also had a fumble that Wilkerson recovered and returned for a touchdown that was blown dead when it shouldn't have been. Remember last year when everyone thought the jets were going to have a season like we were having this year and we ended up at 8 wins and 8 losses, Rex didn't do such a bad job then and we were missing talented players all over the field. The thing that I love about Rex is that when he has players with a shred of talent (which we don't at the CB or QB position this year) they will play their hearts out for him.

 

Idzik I think has been doing a pretty good job as our general manager and I don't understand where all of the hatred is coming from. Idzik might not have spent  all of our money on a cornerback who could have of course helped the team and that I understand people being a bit angry about however Idzik also cant see into the future, what I mean by this of course is that at the beginning of the season we had Milliner who looked pretty good tword the end of last season, Patterson who although is not great was supposed to be half decent and McDougle who showed a couple of really great things in the preseason, how could Idzik have possibly known that all three of these guys would end up not contributing to our team this year? another thing that people are complaining about is that out of 12 players drafted this year we only have 4 left on our roster but how many of these players can you really expect to keep? yes I agree on the point that some of our draft picks might have been questionable however in a normal draft anyone that is drafted after round three is basically a crapshoot, you pick the guy who you think is going to be the best and hope that he lives up to the expectations however it is unreasonable to think that our round 5,6, and 7 players are all going to end up on the roster or on any roster for that matter. Idzik brought in some players at a fair price who he believed to be good for our team (Decker,Johnson) and like the draft sometimes even the veterens don't pan out the way you think they could (Johnson) but what more can he do than try? Idzik also made a trade that brought Percy Harvin to the jets at a low risk and high potential reward. Idzik might not have found us a cb to trade for which we obviously desperately need but im sure he tried. 

 

The truth is that with our Serious problems at the QB and CB positions the jets would be a losing team no matter who our head coach or general manager is. its obvious that we are all frustrated because our team is doing terrible and it is easy to pick someone to dump the blame on, but in reality both Rex and Idzik have done some great thing for the jets and I really find it hard to blame either one of them (atleast totally blame) for the jets only having one win so far this season.

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I suggest you're letting your emotions cloud your judgement. The Geyno I know and loathe wouldn't make such a knee-jerky, spastic post.

The fact that the drafts have been a disaster is not knee-jerk and the only emotion in this conversation belongs to you. Hope. You hope some of these guys improve. I do too. But my assessment is based on what's actually occurring on the field, not what I hope may occur sometime down the road.

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The fact that the drafts have been a disaster is not knee-jerk and the only emotion in this conversation belongs to you. Hope. You hope some of these guys improve. I do too. But my assessment is based on what's actually occurring on the field, not what I hope may occur sometime down the road.

 

The fact that people are making definitive determinations on players 8 games into their careers is ludicrous.  Labeling Mcdougle, Evans, and Milliner as busts when their only crimes are getting injured, is knee jerk.  Calling Pryor a bust when he's playing out of position and being asked to do things he wasn't brought here to do, is short-sighted.

 

In time they may prove to be awful but at this early juncture to scream about terrible drafts and put up silly billboards is a testament to how impatient and impractical todays sports fan has become.

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Just to clarify: you acknowledge this is happening. You acknowledge this is a problem. Exactly whose fault is it?

 

Well Rex naturally.  The way he tore Milliners achillies, Mcdougles ACL, and poisoned Patterson with the crazy is unforgivable.  

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Whose fault is it that Pryor is playing out of position and being asked to do things he wasn't brought here to do?

 

The football gods?  Karma?  The strength and conditioning coach?  What's the right answer?

 

Pryor is doing things he wasn't brought here to do because the secondary has been hit with an avalanche of injuries and a mentally unstable vet who decided to stay home and play PS4 instead of football. 

 

He's become a coverage safety out of necessity instead of the in the box enforcer he was brought here to be.

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Just to clarify: you acknowledge this is happening. You acknowledge this is a problem. Exactly whose fault is it?

 

 

Well Rex naturally.  The way he tore Milliners achillies, Mcdougles ACL, and poisoned Patterson with the crazy is unforgivable.  

 

 

Whose fault is it that Pryor is playing out of position and being asked to do things he wasn't brought here to do?

 

 

The football gods?  Karma?  The strength and conditioning coach?  What's the right answer?

 

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The football gods? Karma? The strength and conditioning coach? What's the right answer?

Pryor is doing things he wasn't brought here to do because the secondary has been hit with an avalanche of injuries and a mentally unstable vet who decided to stay home and play PS4 instead of football.

He's become a coverage safety out of necessity instead of the in the box enforcer he was brought here to be.

Here, I'll make it multiple choice:

a. It's Rex's fault for playing a young player out of position.

b. It's Idzik's fault for not doing more to improve the secondary.

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Ok its real simple 1-8 = Very Bad. 12 Picks and not trading up and yielding only 4 players, the best of which starts had to catches last week = Bad. Not making Obvious signings to plug clear holes in Free Agency, and sitting on 22 Mill Cap = Very bad. Giving away Draft picks and the precious well kept Cap money, to a Cancer slot guy when your 1-6 = Bad.

Overall I would not trust any off them to collect my food from the store. It's very clear this lot should go. The main fix is to get a serviceable Q.B in here to start, while the new Coach and G.M develop a Rookie.

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So many of these threads have been about how the Jets fans want to get Idzik and Rex fired but what I don't understand is their logic.

 

Starting with Rex who in some ways I can understand seeing as he is more of a friend to the players than a boss and that can without a doubt cause problems. Rex has done some great things for our team, sure it is easy to point fingers and blame Rex because our team has only 1 win and 8 losses at this point in the season but remember not only that our team has suffered greatly from a couple unfortunate injuries but also we have played some tough teams led by the best quarterbacks in the league (the only qb in the elite bracket we don't play this year is Brees who isn't having the greatest of seasons). Aside from the fact that we have played these great teams we have also suffered from a couple of really bad calls from the referees this season, one example would be when we played the bears where we had a pass interference call that should have been on Alshon Jeffery but instead was called on Antonio Allen and we also had a fumble that Wilkerson recovered and returned for a touchdown that was blown dead when it shouldn't have been. Remember last year when everyone thought the jets were going to have a season like we were having this year and we ended up at 8 wins and 8 losses, Rex didn't do such a bad job then and we were missing talented players all over the field. The thing that I love about Rex is that when he has players with a shred of talent (which we don't at the CB or QB position this year) they will play their hearts out for him.

 

Idzik I think has been doing a pretty good job as our general manager and I don't understand where all of the hatred is coming from. Idzik might not have spent  all of our money on a cornerback who could have of course helped the team and that I understand people being a bit angry about however Idzik also cant see into the future, what I mean by this of course is that at the beginning of the season we had Milliner who looked pretty good tword the end of last season, Patterson who although is not great was supposed to be half decent and McDougle who showed a couple of really great things in the preseason, how could Idzik have possibly known that all three of these guys would end up not contributing to our team this year? another thing that people are complaining about is that out of 12 players drafted this year we only have 4 left on our roster but how many of these players can you really expect to keep? yes I agree on the point that some of our draft picks might have been questionable however in a normal draft anyone that is drafted after round three is basically a crapshoot, you pick the guy who you think is going to be the best and hope that he lives up to the expectations however it is unreasonable to think that our round 5,6, and 7 players are all going to end up on the roster or on any roster for that matter. Idzik brought in some players at a fair price who he believed to be good for our team (Decker,Johnson) and like the draft sometimes even the veterens don't pan out the way you think they could (Johnson) but what more can he do than try? Idzik also made a trade that brought Percy Harvin to the jets at a low risk and high potential reward. Idzik might not have found us a cb to trade for which we obviously desperately need but im sure he tried. 

 

The truth is that with our Serious problems at the QB and CB positions the jets would be a losing team no matter who our head coach or general manager is. its obvious that we are all frustrated because our team is doing terrible and it is easy to pick someone to dump the blame on, but in reality both Rex and Idzik have done some great thing for the jets and I really find it hard to blame either one of them (atleast totally blame) for the jets only having one win so far this season.

 

 

What the ****? Open your eyes? Rex and Idzik are horrible

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The fact that people are making definitive determinations on players 8 games into their careers is ludicrous.  Labeling Mcdougle, Evans, and Milliner as busts when their only crimes are getting injured, is knee jerk.  Calling Pryor a bust when he's playing out of position and being asked to do things he wasn't brought here to do, is short-sighted.

 

In time they may prove to be awful but at this early juncture to scream about terrible drafts and put up silly billboards is a testament to how impatient and impractical todays sports fan has become.

 

I fully agree with you, I also have seen improvements in Amaro and it will be interesting to see how he develops during the rest of the season and into next season.

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The football gods?  Karma?  The strength and conditioning coach?  What's the right answer?

 

Pryor is doing things he wasn't brought here to do because the secondary has been hit with an avalanche of injuries and a mentally unstable vet who decided to stay home and play PS4 instead of football. 

 

He's become a coverage safety out of necessity instead of the in the box enforcer he was brought here to be.

I don't think Pryor is playing out of position. He was drafted to be a safety, not an extra LB. He's supposed to be intimidating WRs with vicious hits in the defensive backfield. That's what he was brought here to do, make the CBs jobs easier.

I don't think he's a bust, either. He's a rookie, and Rex's defense isn't the easiest to learn. I suspect he'll speed up once the game slows down for him. You see flashes here and there.

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Ok its real simple 1-8 = Very Bad. 12 Picks and not trading up and yielding only 4 players, the best of which starts had to catches last week = Bad. Not making Obvious signings to plug clear holes in Free Agency, and sitting on 22 Mill Cap = Very bad. Giving away Draft picks and the precious well kept Cap money, to a Cancer slot guy when your 1-6 = Bad.

Overall I would not trust any off them to collect my food from the store. It's very clear this lot should go. The main fix is to get a serviceable Q.B in here to start, while the new Coach and G.M develop a Rookie.

 

I agree 1-8 is very bad. the 12 picks and 4 players might sound bad however we don't know if he tried to trade or not, also 4/12 = 1/3 which really isn't all that bad as its not like they were 12 first round picks. what obvious signings did he not make? we needed a WR he got decker, we needed a CB he got Patterson, we needed a QB he brought in Vick who had played for years with out offensive coordinator. he also called in lots of other players who he likely just refused to overpay just to say we have them. we had a lot of cap space left but we also have players like Wilkerson who be looking for a lot of money and kerley who has played well for us and needed his contract extension (and he got it). think about the situation Idzik had his first year here where he didn't have enough cap space to pay our decent players and how much he worked to clear up our cap. as far as harvin goes he gave up literally nothing to get harvin as it will likely end up being a 5th or 6th round pick, the way harvins contract is structured the only guaranteed money is for this year and as far as calling him a cancer the worst thing he did so far this season to the jets was play a lousy first game because he had 8 days to learn the entire playbook then come back the following week with 120 yards receiving, yea idzik is terrible for acquiring harvin. as far as our record at the time of the harvin trade being 1-6 atleast it shows that the team wants to win games instead of just give up as a lot of fans seem to have.

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I don't think Pryor is playing out of position. He was drafted to be a safety, not an extra LB. He's supposed to be intimidating WRs with vicious hits in the defensive backfield. That's what he was brought here to do, make the CBs jobs easier.

I don't think he's a bust, either. He's a rookie, and Rex's defense isn't the easiest to learn. I suspect he'll speed up once the game slows down for him. You see flashes here and there.

 

he is playing out of position in the sense that coverage is not his strong point, he played best when the wrs were well covered and he could rush the man with the ball and annihilate them without having to help a corner cover down on a wr because our corners cant play 1-1 man coverage effectively. so yes he is still playing a safety position however he is not playing it in the way that he is comfortable playing it.

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So many of these threads have been about how the Jets fans want to get Idzik and Rex fired but what I don't understand is their logic.

Starting with Rex who in some ways I can understand seeing as he is more of a friend to the players than a boss and that can without a doubt cause problems. Rex has done some great things for our team, sure it is easy to point fingers and blame Rex because our team has only 1 win and 8 losses at this point in the season but remember not only that our team has suffered greatly from a couple unfortunate injuries but also we have played some tough teams led by the best quarterbacks in the league (the only qb in the elite bracket we don't play this year is Brees who isn't having the greatest of seasons). Aside from the fact that we have played these great teams we have also suffered from a couple of really bad calls from the referees this season, one example would be when we played the bears where we had a pass interference call that should have been on Alshon Jeffery but instead was called on Antonio Allen and we also had a fumble that Wilkerson recovered and returned for a touchdown that was blown dead when it shouldn't have been. Remember last year when everyone thought the jets were going to have a season like we were having this year and we ended up at 8 wins and 8 losses, Rex didn't do such a bad job then and we were missing talented players all over the field. The thing that I love about Rex is that when he has players with a shred of talent (which we don't at the CB or QB position this year) they will play their hearts out for him.

Idzik I think has been doing a pretty good job as our general manager and I don't understand where all of the hatred is coming from. Idzik might not have spent all of our money on a cornerback who could have of course helped the team and that I understand people being a bit angry about however Idzik also cant see into the future, what I mean by this of course is that at the beginning of the season we had Milliner who looked pretty good tword the end of last season, Patterson who although is not great was supposed to be half decent and McDougle who showed a couple of really great things in the preseason, how could Idzik have possibly known that all three of these guys would end up not contributing to our team this year? another thing that people are complaining about is that out of 12 players drafted this year we only have 4 left on our roster but how many of these players can you really expect to keep? yes I agree on the point that some of our draft picks might have been questionable however in a normal draft anyone that is drafted after round three is basically a crapshoot, you pick the guy who you think is going to be the best and hope that he lives up to the expectations however it is unreasonable to think that our round 5,6, and 7 players are all going to end up on the roster or on any roster for that matter. Idzik brought in some players at a fair price who he believed to be good for our team (Decker,Johnson) and like the draft sometimes even the veterens don't pan out the way you think they could (Johnson) but what more can he do than try? Idzik also made a trade that brought Percy Harvin to the jets at a low risk and high potential reward. Idzik might not have found us a cb to trade for which we obviously desperately need but im sure he tried.

The truth is that with our Serious problems at the QB and CB positions the jets would be a losing team no matter who our head coach or general manager is. its obvious that we are all frustrated because our team is doing terrible and it is easy to pick someone to dump the blame on, but in reality both Rex and Idzik have done some great thing for the jets and I really find it hard to blame either one of them (atleast totally blame) for the jets only having one win so far this season.

This is a scientific chart of the Jets seasons since 1966.

The top of this chart is 1969. The little improvement bounce is 2009-2010. This chart dates back 50 years and as you can see, continues to go south after the bounce. It is scientific proof to answer your question.

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Oh and also our record is 1-8 but stick to the chart it's more visual

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I'm glad we have a GM who's strategy was to sabotage his Head Coach rather than acquiring talented Football players.

After watching that press conference last week bro, do you still think that that guy is such a chess player as to play such a game or did you see (like I did) a scared to death guy who knows that he is in way over his head and swimming as hard as he can to get out of the pull of a strong rip tide. he looks like a guy so afraid to make a mistake that he doesn't make ANY moves, lessening the chance that he'll get found out. John Idzik isn't slick enough to dream up a strategy like that just to get rid of Rex Ryan

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I agree 1-8 is very bad. the 12 picks and 4 players might sound bad however we don't know if he tried to trade or not, also 4/12 = 1/3 which really isn't all that bad as its not like they were 12 first round picks.

There were reports that he attempted to trade a couple times, but failed to get a deal done. Which, IMHO, is part of the problem with Idzik. His rigidity. He's unable to operate on the fly at all. He's tight with his money and his draft picks, which saves money and draft picks, but doesn't improve the product on the field.

His first rounder is a safety. That's traditionally a lower value position. If he turns out to be an Ed Reed or a Troy Palumalu, it's a great pick. But if he's just a serviceable starter, it's not. Ditto the TE in the second round, it's another low value position that's only a great pick if the player turns out to be an upper echelon TE. He missed on the WR position, a much more highly rated position, in a very deep class. Ideally, you find those high value positions in the draft, and supplement with the lower valued positions (read: cheaper) in free agency. And out of the 5 of 12 draft picks who made the 53 man roster, those are the only two worth talking about.

The man has turned over 2/3's of the roster in two years, and it's one of the worst rosters in the league. The man is not good at his job. Trading a pick and paying Percy Harvin feels like a desperation move after deciding a better receiver in DeSean Jackson wasn't worth the money alone in the off season.

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There is no proof that either John or Rex are bad, in fact, the opposite is true. I have seen bad GM's and bad HC's in the past, and while I won't name names, they are no longer here. These two guys are great guys. This team is so close to putting it all together. John has built a great core of a team, and Rex is coaching his tush off. The players need to execute better, but that is coming. There is a saying I believe firmly in, don't throw out the bathwater with the bath.

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Percy Harvin feels like a desperation move after deciding a better receiver in DeSean Jackson wasn't worth the money alone in the off season.
 

 

Idzik got decker for us who was the best available WR at the time, he did not over pay decker and decker has shown some productivity for us. Jackson became available later and there were all types of negative reports out about him running with gangs and arguing with his coaching staff, yes Jackson is talented and yes he is a threat to almost any defense but we already had gotten a top free agent receiver. later in the year Harvin became available for trade at a low cost low risk rate with a high potential reward, after this year we can drop him at any time with no hit to our cap and we will likely give a 5th round pick for him that would have also likely been a player that wasn't going to make our roster anyway. I understand that Idzik did not sign every top end player who was available to the team but what you need to understand is that it is an unrealistic expectation to think that anyone is going to be able to do that. Idzik also got us Ivory for a fourth round pick last year who has been doing pretty good for us this year.

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There is no proof that either John or Rex are bad, in fact, the opposite is true. I have seen bad GM's and bad HC's in the past, and while I won't name names, they are no longer here. These two guys are great guys. This team is so close to putting it all together. John has built a great core of a team, and Rex is coaching his tush off. The players need to execute better, but that is coming. There is a saying I believe firmly in, don't throw out the bathwater with the bath.

Good morning Mr. Johnson.  Very nice to see you again.

 

But what if Rex and Idziot have sh1t in the bathwater you mention?  Numerous time to boot.

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Idzik got decker for us who was the best available WR at the time, he did not over pay decker and decker has shown some productivity for us. Jackson became available later and there were all types of negative reports out about him running with gangs and arguing with his coaching staff, yes Jackson is talented and yes he is a threat to almost any defense but we already had gotten a top free agent receiver. later in the year Harvin became available for trade at a low cost low risk rate with a high potential reward, after this year we can drop him at any time with no hit to our cap and we will likely give a 5th round pick for him that would have also likely been a player that wasn't going to make our roster anyway. I understand that Idzik did not sign every top end player who was available to the team but what you need to understand is that it is an unrealistic expectation to think that anyone is going to be able to do that. Idzik also got us Ivory for a fourth round pick last year who has been doing pretty good for us this year.

There were no negative reports about Harvin? What about his injury and migraine history? If he stays, he costs a 4th rounder and -presumably- a new contract. If he's cut, he costs a sixth (which, I agree, Idzik would be unable to put to use), and also $7M or so that they can no longer spend in future years.

You don't think there's a scent of desperation here? After he was so tight with his money and draft picks, suddenly he's unloading both for Percy Harvin - who's basically a high-end gadget player? I don't know, something's up there.

But mostly I was talking about the draft, which you decided to avoid with this post.

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