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The parking lot babysitters do not do their damn jobs. The parking is sold by the spot 1 spot = $25.00 if you want 2 spots to tailgate pay the $50.00 why should a person who gets their an hour before game time be turned away from a lot that has numerous tailgaters taking up more than 1 spot. 

 

The best is the people who put chairs in spots to save them for other people. My buddy ran over 2 folding chairs last season when we politely asked people to move them and they refused.

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This is a great move by the Jets for those of us who don't like to arrive at the game 2 hours early just to get a parking spot. For as many people like to turn the parking lot into a frathouse barbeque there are as many people who want nothing to do with that scene and just want to park, walk, and get into the stadium.

I've been emailing and lobbying for a tailgate-free lot for years, I'm hoping they get to that next.

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only the yellow lot for now.. but let's be honest about what the Jets are doing here.

 

This is a test run so that they can implement this policy in every lot next year. That is terrible on so many levels. Consider this scenario:

 

Car 1 shows up with the grill and gets it set up. Car 2 has coolers full of food but has to carry them all the way across the parking lot to meet up with his buddies with the grill. Car 3 has a couple 30 packs and has to lug them - with their coolers - across the lot too. Car 4 has only 2 people in it and has too much to carry - so they have to call their friends who just walked across the lot to come help them. Then at the end of the tailgate, they all have to bring everything all the way across the lot back to their cars before they can walk in to the game.

 

This is blatantly obvious that the Jets are attempting to make it as hard on fans to tailgate as humanly possible so that people will just give up and buy their insanely priced concessions. To try and sell it to the fans any other way is a blatant lie.

The Jets send out 4 surveys a year and many of us voice our displeasure with the one area of the experience that has not been improved since the demolition of Giants Stadium- the parking lot situation.

While many of you enjoy tailgating and have a lot of stuff to coordinate, please understand that the majority of the fans don't care for it, don't participate in it, want to avoid it, yet are forced to experience it anyway. I'm a dad with four kids and we go to the game to watch the game, we don't go to the game to get drunk, listen to 80s music, eat gassy food, listen to cursing, watch people pissing on cars, etc. And after the game ends, the walk back is a pleasure, navigating the coals left five feet behind cars, the ripped open garbage bags, the crushed alumium cans, the glass bottles under the wheels, the chicken bones, and the seagulls crapping from the sky.

To us- and I'd say it's about 70% of those in the lots- we are forced to get to the game too early, we are forced to expose our children to vulgar alcoholic behavior, and we are forced to deal with the post-game aftermath and it's not fair to us. We just want to park our cars, yet we feel like interlopers to a reunion we didn't get invited to. Segregation is a great thing. Let the Jets put all the tailgaters together in a few lots, ban them from the rest of the lots, everyone's happy. You can take up 2 or 3 spots and only inconvenience other tailgaters, we can get the spots we want and arrive 30 minutes before kickoff like any other sports event in New York. It's a win-win.

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No offense - but maybe football isn't your thing?

Football is definitely my thing. Football is being in your seat at kickoff. Football is watching the game sober.

Fourth quarter alcohol was banned. Smoking was banned. The Gate D shenanigans were banned. Cursing is banned. Seat jumping is banned. Parking lots are next.

Perhaps it's not the football fans that need an adjustment. Perhaps it's the tailgaters. Perhaps irresponsibililty and discourteous behavior is no longer going to be tolerated. While some of you are quiet and tidy, most aren't.

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70% sounds more like wishful thinkung than statistics to me

Next time you go to a game, count the cars and count the cars with tailgate setups behind them. I think you'll find my number pretty close.

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Its called the Parking Garage.

Yes, that would be a great place to put tailgaters without PSL's.

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Wow some of you sound like old pitas

" now you young whippersnappers turn that music down and behave your selves". Give me a break

And before you ask I am 44 years old. Football is about the tailgate and the party. If it offends you or your kids go to a tennis match.

Let's say that on your way to your tailgate you were forced to walk through half a mile of hot, sticky asphalt packed to the gills with devout born-again Christians blasting loud Amy Grant songs, spraying holy water, wearing prayer shawls, taking Communion, telling your kids they're going to Hell, tossing bibles, handing out scripture pamphlets, and pissing wine on your sneakers.

It's like that.

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The problem with segregation is that the tailgaters being forced over to a different lot are being pushed over to a different stadium exit and therefore adding possibly an hour plus to their trip home. Maybe not this year because the product on the field is an abomination and nobody will go, but if they start winning a few games again and all of Woodys target audience starts coming back, it could easily add an hour to someone's rides home not being near their normal highway entrance. Not fair.

That's a good point.

The Jets should segregate tailgaters in a section in each yellow lot, I have no problem with this. Tailgaters shouldn't be inconvenienced by being far away from their seats in the same way that non-tailgaters shouldn't be inconvenienced by the tailgaters. Should be fair for everyone.

The major point here is this- in real life there are residential zones and there are commercial zones. You can't put a strip-club next to a Church, you can't put a sports bar near a school, it shouldn't be legal in the State of New Jersey to allow a portable sports bar near my kids and that's exactly what's happening in the parking lots before a Jets game. Bar behavior, fraternity behavior, it's fine at a football game but it should be put away from families, it shouldn't be like Vietnam to walk from your car to the gate.

I can go to a game and be protected from smoking, drinking, boorish behavior, foul language and all the rest once inside the stadium. The parking lot has escaped such scrutiny. Looks like the Jets are finally recognizing the problem and creating a solution that should work for everyone.

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It is the people who feel entitled to more than 1 space and the attendants who do nothing that are bringing this on.

Exactly right and I don't understand why we're even having an argument here.

No one is against the tailgaters right to tailgate but since some of them can't control themselves we need the authorities to control them for us. We have zoning laws in this country for this very reason, it allows strip clubs and bars to co-exist in their own space with their own behavioral rules without interfering with those who don't want anything to do with it.

Right now, the parking lots at Metlife are the wild west and it has to change.

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Nothing. people who feel like the parking lot is their personal block party are the ones messing this up for everyone else. We park next to each other, 3 cars total, and grill and hang out behind the cars and in the actual driving space. Never seemed to have a problem before.

Exactly.

It's the 10% of all tailgaters that are the problem. They take up multiple spaces, they put lawn chairs in adjacent spots and block others out, they leave their trash in the roads, the attendants aren't strong enough or in numbers enough to do anything about it.

Setting up designated tailgating sections in each lot is the answer. Putting all the ethics and the cursing and the hygiene aside, we don't like having to get to the lots at 11AM just to beat out a tailgater to a decent spot in a decent lot. Segregation solves everything.

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Pretty simple, I would not go.

 

I wish you people knew what whine a$$ you sound like. 

 

This is whats killing this country, whiners that cant handle not having everything there way.

 

If you hate it that much find something else to do with your time but your embarrassing your self on here.

Ah, so let me get this straight:

The good Jet fan with a young Jet family who just wants to sit and cheer and give 100% of his attention to the players and the game should stay home and the bad Jet fan with bad Jet buddies who want to get wasted to the point where they are giving 25% attention to the players and the game should have free run of the stadium to themselves?

A football game is a football game. It's not an excuse for an anything-goes frat party. That said, we can co-exist. Parking lot segregation is the answer. You get your space to act like a child, I get my space to act like an adult.

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I think I get it, you can't have the best spot when you arrive so your pissed, I get it now.

 

If I arrive after 12:00 on gameday the two most convenient lots for my family are closed and it's because a large percentage of tailgaters selfishly take more than the 1 spot they paid for.

Because of this selfishness, I have to park on the other side of the stadium or get to the stadium 2 hours before gametime needlessly making an already-long day 1 1/2 hours longer needlessly. And with 3 kids in tow, killing time from 11AM to 1PM is horrible, all we can do is go into the stadium early and watch empty seats and listen to rude rap music.

So, no, you don't get it now.

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So let me get this straight, because you can't handle people having fun if it includes the devils drink and people cuss they need to be put in the corner?

 

See, I am an adult, I won't bring my young children to an NFL game because I know what its like.  When they are older I will bring them and show them that it is a fun time.

Ah, even better logic in play now.

So NFL games are pornography. No one under the age of 18 allowed. Cursing, littering, smoking, vulgarity, urination, this is what the NFL had in mind when they published the 2014 schedule, right? "Fun time"? There are hundreds of clubs and bars in the area, you can get sauced in the comfort of your own home, piss on your own cars, leave the trash on your own driveway, curse at your own kids. "Fun time", right?

News Flash: The next generation of Jets fans deserve a quality experience and if that means that a few of you need to go down to 1 parking spot and relocate a few hundred yards further away from where you'd like to be, that's not much of a sacrifice is it? We've put up with your nonsense for decades, how about cutting the sober folks a break.

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Let me ask you this, were the parking lots like that when you first decided on season tickets?

 

why did you get them if you hate it so much?    Or do you think it should change because you bought your tickets?

I've been a Jets fans attending 5+ games a year since 1978, been a season ticket holder since 2001, have seen Jets games in New England, San Diego, Kansas City, Green Bay, Miami, Jacksonville, and Indianapolis.

The parking lots now are the same as they've been since 1984 but a few things changed:

1. The NFL and the Jets have made in-stadium behavior a very big priority, have stopped alcohol sales at a certain time, banned smoking, beefed up security, have family sections, allow fans to report situations and have disruptors physically removed. There is a strong policing presence inside the stadium that ensures a good experience for all fans. The NFL and the Jets have ignored the parking lot behavior forever and it's inconsistent with the in-stadium experience. The two are the same thing and need to be treated identically.

2. Tailgates have grown out of control and the current generation is empowered and disrespectful. Take 2 spots? Sure! I was here first! Leave my trash in the road? Sure! I pay enough for tickets. Piss on cars? Definitely! That line at the port-o-potty is too long. Your attitude in this thread is perfect evidence of this, you think it's normal for the parking lot to be the equivalent of pornography, 18 and older only folks, if you don't like a bunch of grown men acting like they're still in high school too bad, stay home.

I'm not sure what your problem is. The Jets are merely structuring it so that tailgaters don't squat in double the parking spaces they paid for so that others with parking passes can find a convenient spot in a non-threatening way. What's wrong with that? If while you're out there tailgating and I get into the stadium first and take my seat and lay my coats on your seat, you're cool with that? "Hey, that's my seat!" "Too bad bro, get here early next time. Plenty of seats in the upper deck endzones, just go up there."

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First time poster here.  I was Jets337 on JI.  I don't post a lot but had to post on this. 

 

This is just another Jets disaster.  A 3-11 season and possibly a 1-15 season next year and this is what they do.  If they want to solve the problem enforce the one spot rule.  I park along the island in Lot K and am online by 7:35-7:40 am to make sure I'm in to get my spot.  Our rule is anyone who tailgates with us if they don't get there by 9 am we don't save them a spot. 

 

Between the lousy season, buffoon GM, ineffective coaching, and now this parking mess this entire organization has become a cesspool.  It's funny I went to a Fan Advisory Board meeting this season and they said to us "we know tailgate is king and don't change that."  Looks like they are trying to.

 

If they want to do something take some of the club lots and make those "directed in" parking.  That or sell everybody permits for the specific lot they want to park in and make one or two of them non tailgate lots.  J, K, and L have lots of islands to tailgate on.  Make one of the other ones a directed in parking lot.

First off, welcome, nice to see us back on this subject.

Next, you're spot-on regarding non-tailgating lots, that would be terrific and solve everyone's issue once and for all.

Lastly, this isn't a Jets disaster, it's the Jets trying to make 70% of the fans happy by simply opening up spots that are taken by selfish tailgaters (note, not you and others like you). Though not intended, the Jets are putting tailgaters in the same situation that the non-tailgaters have been in for decades, making them compromise their experience without being able to do a damn thing about it. Perhaps they (again, not you who only takes your 1 spot) will now understand why the rest of us are so frustrated.

"Tailgating" is cool. Few guys in a car, small grill, a cooler, set up right at their bumper, eat some steaks, drink some beers, no problemo. But when they take up 2 spots and blast their music and curse and relieve their bladders on cars, that's not right, that's disgusting and the NFL needs to correct it.

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You keep mentioning 70% people dont tailgate.  Then you talk about watching empty seats for 2 hours.  So where are these 70% if they arent in their seats?

 

Probably 70% tailgate in some fashion, either on their own or go walk to someone elses taligate like L7 or Tailgate Joe's or someone else.  A large majority are involved in tailgating.  a small portion act like assh0les.  But yes, something should have been done years ago about spot saving and multiple spots for 1 car.

They're wandering aimlessly. I have a lot of experience in this area. Mostly we sit in the car and listen to the pregame show, then we'll walk thru security and wander in the gift shop. Eventually we head up to our seats.

It's 90 minutes of killing time when we could have stayed home and done something constructive first. We should be able to arrive at the parking lot 30 minutes before kickoff and be all set, shouldn't have to get there 2 hours early just to get a parking spot away from a tailgater who is abusing the space.

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Using the 70% rule and the fact that there has to be what? - 5-10,000 spaces in the Yellow lot?  Then there's at least a couple of thousand spaces occupied by fans that will NOT p*ss on your sneakers and spit on your car.   Find another area in the Yellow to park.  Not brain surgery.  Better yet, get the Green passes and all of your problems are solved.

It's not about the amount of available spaces. It's the timing.

If I arrive at the game 2 hours early I can get a spot and not worry about tailgaters at all. But if I arrive at the game 30 minutes before kickoff several of the lots are closed already and they're closed already because of tailgaters either taking up more than 1 spot or tailgates that spill out into the roads to the point where they're obstructed and the attendants can't navigate cars through to the spots that are still open.

By segregating tailgaters into their own sections in their own lots all this stuff goes away. Imagine the back half of a lot filling up 3 hours before kickoff 100% filled with partying tailgaters and the front half of the lot remaining virtually empty until 30 minutes before kickoff at which point it can fill up with non-tailgaters in an orderly fashion. The issue is that tailgaters are allowed free reign to spread out all over the lot and after an hour they obstruct spots and roadways to the point where security has to shut them down even though 100s of spots may still be open.

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I don't go any more. But when I did often the tailgate was the best part.

If you show up at Noon for a 1PM game, it's laughable to think you can get into an NFL stadium in time for kickoff. Which is why people started tailgating to begin with; you had to come early to get a decent spot and be ready to go in and get through that (joke of ) security by 1215/1230. And it's gotten worse since 9/11. Not saying your a bad guy, but not realistic. Getting there late(and Noon is late) means you will sit in traffic and get crappy parking. Complaining about that is like complaining about sunrise and sunset.

Looks to me that the Braintrust sees that vast expanse of fans partying and wants to monetize it. Matter of time until they ban coolers, grills and glass bottles and herd you into some crappy party tent/corral.

I don't think it's about monitization, I think they're simply trying to react to the negative feedback they're getting from non-tailgaters who have to get there 2 hours early and wade through a frat party to get in the front door. It's not a good experience and it's the experience that the NFL is most concerned with.

Understand that league attendance is severely hampered these days by HDTV's and fantasy football, ticket prices are high, and 50% of the teams in the league are out of the playoff picture by Halloween due to the lack of quality quarterbacks. The NFL has been doing things like adding wi-fi, offering Red Zone, creating rewards programs, banning smoking, and the rest in order to enhance the experience.

So when fans (raises hand) point out to the Jets that the parking situation is awful and we have to get there too early and we have to walk through Vietnam to get to the front gates they're listening and trying to create a process to make both the tailgater and the non-tailgater happy. This is an easy fix, by the way. Tailgaters go to this lot, non-tailgaters go to that lot, problem solved. It's a timing issue and an enforcement issue, not a cultural issue.

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You know the workers close off lots with plenty of empty spaces- blame them not the Jet fans actually tailgating

The workers close off the lots because a) too many tailgaters have taken up multiple spaces and B) too many tailgaters have spilled off their bumpers and across the roadways making it impossible to get through. Some tailgaters do this deliberately, they park in the middle of an aisle and spill out into the middle with cornhole and grills and a 5-on-5 drill and no attendants or cars can get through.

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The problem with your scenario is that the prime tailgaiting spots are in the front of the lot, the spaces near islands and at the end of rows with the extra space at the end of the spot, this helps tailgaters avaoid taking multiple spots.  Plus there has to be some benefit for getting there 5 hours early for a game ( shorter walk). Flip your scenario and reserve the back portion of the lot for late arrivers and then funnel them in the back starting at 11 not through the front (between the green/yellow )which causes the big traffic issue. This scenario makes much more sense , but I can't see how the parking lot staff would ever enforce it effectively.

That's fine, I wouldn't mind a slightly longer walk if it meant that there was a spot there at 12:00 or 12:30 when I arrive. That said, by putting the tailgaters closer to the stadium it forces all the non-tailgaters to walk through the scene to get into the stadium whereas putting the tailgaters further out the non-tailgater wouldn't even know it was taking place.

Not trying to kill tailgating, just trying to eliminate the early closing of parking lots and reduce the exposure of the frat party to my children.

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The middle of the aisle tailgaters who think they own the parking lot and those who take up more than 1 spot are too blame for any and all changes to the rules not the people who obey the rules and tailgate.

 

Why dont they also do like they do at college games and require tailgaters to put all garbage in a bag and leave in the aisle near their car to be picked up while fans are in the game instead of turning the lot into a landfill.

There are enough lots to create a large tailgate-only zone.

And similar to season tickets, they could offer single/double/triple sized spaces and number them so a fan knew that he had the same spot for every game, no different than reserved seating, we'd have fully reserved parking. Lot D Row 22 Space 5. Print it on the parking pass, have to get there by 11AM, done.

Like I said, this is a timing problem, it's not hard to fix it.

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1970 called. It wants its lawn chair back, lol.

 

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Hey, retro is in.

I should have said "soccer mom chair".

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