SNY Reported Jets to hire Ron Wolf as Consultant along side Cassalry

[C Mart]

It sounds like a major house cleaning is coming...but then you hear the rumors about demoting Idzik and it makes me worry.

Either keep Idzik or completely clean house (including Bradway) otherwise it's just going to be more of the same.

I believe that rumor came out before the Casserly / Wolf news?

[FidelioJet]

I believe that rumor came out before the Casserly / Wolf news?

 

Hope so...Sounds ridiculous to me that it was even being considered.

[Integrity28]

One more and Woody will have three wise men for his nativity scene.

I nominate Sheldon Richardson to be the 6 pound 7 ounce little baby Jesus.

[C Mart]

@BCusterTV: Got a call, & my source says @woodyjohnson4 will meet with Rex & Idzik Monday morning & he would be shocked if either one is retained! #Jets

[56mehl56]

Idzik reassigned to capoligist, finally hiring a mythical "football man" as GM, serious debate on whether or not to retain Rex, all played out in the coming days. 

 

Interesting times if nothing else.

Charley Should would keep Rex ?   Let me think - No

Ron should we keep Rex ? Let me think - No

Woody ?  Well I always liked the guy and blah blah blah

[Matt39]

@BCusterTV: Got a call, & my source says @woodyjohnson4 will meet with Rex & Idzik Monday morning & he would be shocked if either one is retained! #Jets

 

Brian Custer ‏@BCusterTV  8m8 minutes ago

Apparently, Woody likes Rex but says he was in every personnel meeting & always agreed! Never spoke up if he didn't agree. His downfall!

 

Brian Custer ‏@BCusterTV  2m2 minutes ago

Woody really upset with Idzik's draft choices, and not giving Rex what he needed 2 be successful. Only pick he loves is @Godforshort. #Jets

[Vinny16]

This is yet more great news.  Can't wait for next week to see how the Jets mess this up.

[56mehl56]

I'd like to see Woody hire either Casserly or Wolf as the Grand Overseer. I'm not sure who got to Woody that made him see the light (reading my many posts, obv *Aping it*), but having Casserly and Wolf in the room during the interview process is worth its weight in gold.

Obviously it was the Fire Idzik banners and billboards , w/o them us poor Jet fans would be stuck in the dark ages.

[Villain The Foe]

This, straight from wiki

Seems promising. Hopefully we're not pissed this time next year. 

 

It does look like Black Monday will be pretty exciting! 

[Jolot]

 

Brian Custer ‏@BCusterTV  8m8 minutes ago

Apparently, Woody likes Rex but says he was in every personnel meeting & always agreed! Never spoke up if he didn't agree. His downfall!

 

Brian Custer ‏@BCusterTV  2m2 minutes ago

Woody really upset with Idzik's draft choices, and not giving Rex what he needed 2 be successful. Only pick he loves is @Godforshort. #Jets

 

ESPN will be stealing this info from Custer shortly and claiming it as their own.

[56mehl56]

ESPN will be stealing this info from Custer shortly and claiming it as their own.

I'm waiting for the Manish expose

[BigRy56]

HOW DOES RONNIE FEEL ABOUT REX?

 

IS IT GONNA BE CASSERLY VS WOLF FIGHTING EACH OTHER ABOUT REX? ARE WE KEEPING HIM?

 

Woody what is wrong with you

[T0mShane]

Johnson using a de facto paid employee of the Jets to disseminate information early then tossing in silly excuses for firing both men, to boot. Typically cowardly and unprofessional. For God's sake, grow a pair, have a press conference on Monday morning, and say you're firing both men because you expect Super Bowls and neither one was going to give it to you. Instead, it's because Rex has to pay for the roster, and it's because Woody doesn't like the draft picks, as if he has any base of knowledge to judge them.

[RSJ]

Possibly, but unnecessary. A cap manager should barely be a $100K job. Triple that because of the league's (and team's) high profile. And there are thousands of people in the NY metro area who, skill and background-wise, could do this as a freaking hobby if hey we're so inclined.

I think that keeping him in this role is unlikely to even be offered. If he's fired I doubt Woody is going to want to see his face anymore.

Then again, he's kept and protected Bradway this whole time so I'm probably just projecting. But even with that situation, Lead NFL Scout is a harder job to fill competently than Excel User.

 

You can barely get a candidate fresh out of college with no experience in accounting or finance for less than 100k. I wouldn't minimize the responsibility either. Cap management is one responsibility within an organization and generally coupled with others that not just anyone could perform. When you are in charge of the whole team's finances there is a lot that goes into it. You are reporting numbers to the owner, league, as well as city, state and federal. All of which get reported differently. And that is just the tip of the iceberg. There is a lot responsibilities that these jobs oversee and self proclaimed internet cap gurus could not perform them.

[SickJetFan]

Johnson using a de facto paid employee of the Jets to disseminate information early then tossing in silly excuses for firing both men, to boot. Typically cowardly and unprofessional. For God's sake, grow a pair, have a press conference on Monday morning, and say you're firing both men because you expect Super Bowls and neither one were going to give it to you. Instead, it's because Rex has to pay for the roster, and it's because Woody doesn't like the draft picks, as if he has any base of knowledge to judge them.

Woody about summed it up! You have to be completely clueless if you see it any other way!

[sg3]

Since nepotism is always the best route to success, especially if a former Jet staffer is the dad ( see Buddy Ryan and John Idzik's sons)

I'm betting on Elliott Wolf to be the next GM

[UnknownJetFan]

BTW, sorry I keep spelling Casserly wrong. Anyhow, if between him, Wolf, and whoever else if this doesn't get on track this time then maybe they need to get a ouiji board going and ask Lombardi how to get us on going in the right direction.

[Greenseed4]

Brian Custer ‏@BCusterTV  2m2 minutes ago Woody really upset with Idzik's draft choices, and not giving Rex what he needed 2 be successful. Only pick he loves is @Godforshort. #Jets

 

@Godforshort is Sheldon Richardson, for those who don't know.  

[Larz]

AVENGERS ASSEMBLE !!!!

[Sperm Edwards]

Heck, let's get Jason from Over-the-Cap.com running the salary cap for the Jets. Guy does a fantastic job with good insight.

 

Jason's a great guy. Not to take anything away from him, because he really knows his stuff, but it kind of makes my point that one doesn't need to be a former or future GM to "master" the salary cap. It's pretty simple math.

[Sperm Edwards]

You can barely get a candidate fresh out of college with no experience in accounting or finance for less than 100k. I wouldn't minimize the responsibility either. Cap management is one responsibility within an organization and generally coupled with others that not just anyone could perform. When you are in charge of the whole team's finances there is a lot that goes into it. You are reporting numbers to the owner, league, as well as city, state and federal. All of which get reported differently. And that is just the tip of the iceberg. There is a lot responsibilities that these jobs oversee and self proclaimed internet cap gurus could not perform them.

 

From experience I can tell you this is not the case. But it's also not necessary, as I was only using that figure to make a point. Woody can pay someone 5x that, with is plenty more than is required, and it wouldn't be money poorly-spent when the task is managing some $150M/year in payroll.

 

I don't doubt that the job is more than merely shuffling around numbers in Excel. But I don't think it's so hard either. There are other responsibilities, for sure, but there are "other" responsibilities that go along with almost any job. It isn't an iceberg IMO. Particularly when one takes into account the "fun" aspect of the job (type of job fans would do for free if they could).

[Villain The Foe]

I like this. We all know how working with a hiring firm worked out with our last GM search. Let the past GM's help Woody make a decision. 

It gave us a respectable record given the talent the first year and he unloaded the rest of the financial garbage the 2nd year. Maybe this go round with no coaching conditions a sh_t load of cap we'll actually get some people in here who can evaluate, develop and spend correctly. 

[Il Mostro]

All of this is great news, but please bring another chair to the Monday meeting for Bradway.

[Scott Dierking]

From experience I can tell you this is not the case. But it's also not necessary, as I was only using that figure to make a point. Woody can pay someone 5x that, with is plenty more than is required, and it wouldn't be money poorly-spent when the task is managing some $150M/year in payroll.

 

I don't doubt that the job is more than merely shuffling around numbers in Excel. But I don't think it's so hard either. There are other responsibilities, for sure, but there are "other" responsibilities that go along with almost any job. It isn't an iceberg IMO. Particularly when one takes into account the "fun" aspect of the job (type of job fans would do for free if they could).

There is a legal document aspect of things, and you have to be versed in contracts and the law. Now, a lot of that is boiler plate, but not all of it.

 

You are oversimplifying things a tad.

[Shockwave]

All of this is great news, but please bring another chair to the Monday meeting for Bradway.

I think people don't mention his name enough. 

 

Mike T was a money guy. Idzik was a money guy. So who was our main "Talent guy"? 

[Sperm Edwards]

There is a legal document aspect of things, and you have to be versed in contracts and the law. Now, a lot of that is boiler plate, but not all of it.

 

You are oversimplifying things a tad.

 

If he's getting demoted to "cap specialist" it does not mean he would be the one person drafting the final, signed document. 

 

Besides, I doubt it's necessary to change the contract terms very much other than the specifics of compensation and how it's paid out (or not paid out), which can be attached as an appendix. I doubt every contract is drawn up from scratch for every player. Nothing would get done otherwise. Take the Revis deal in New England as an example. It was signed in a matter of hours of him hitting free agency. Not merely agreed to terms; actually signed. I would be surprised if they drew up a full contract from scratch in the time it took for Revis to have his people negotiate with NE, then call around to see if anyone else wanted to outbid NE, then write it all up from a blank Word document, in a few hours.

 

But again, the proposed option was reducing him to "cap specialist" as his new position, which is not necessarily the team's lone contract drafter. 

[RSJ]

From experience I can tell you this is not the case. But it's also not necessary, as I was only using that figure to make a point. Woody can pay someone 5x that, with is plenty more than is required, and it wouldn't be money poorly-spent when the task is managing some $150M/year in payroll.

I don't doubt that the job is more than merely shuffling around numbers in Excel. But I don't think it's so hard either. There are other responsibilities, for sure, but there are "other" responsibilities that go along with almost any job. It isn't an iceberg IMO. Particularly when one takes into account the "fun" aspect of the job (type of job fans would do for free if they could).

You can pick up a Robert half salary guide and look it up. Similar experience, similar sized firm, similar responsibilities. And it is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to what they do. It is way more than moving numbers around in excel. Its a science in and of itself. Here is a good article explaining more about the position.

assets.espn.go.com/nfl/preview00/s/000826capologists.html

[Sperm Edwards]

You can pick up a Robert half salary guide and look it up. Similar experience, similar sized firm, similar responsibilities. And it is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to what they do. It is way more than moving numbers around in excel. Its a science in and of itself. Here is a good article explaining more about the position.

assets.espn.go.com/nfl/preview00/s/000826capologists.html

Still doesn't sound that complex. Certainly doesn't sound like science more than math, and it doesn't seem one needs any particular background to do it (unlike being an actual accountant, lawyer, or scientist):

"They are a diverse group to say the least. There's a capologist who came from Boeing, there's one who was a former sportswriter and another who was an ex-coach. Three of them used to be agents. They're the son of the owner (like Dallas' Stephen Jones) or the daughter of the president (such as Cincinnati's Katie Blackburn, Mike Brown's daughter)."

To each his own, though.

[kelticwizard]

I think bringing in Wolf is likely the last nail in the coffin for Rex.  If it was only Caserly, who thought that Rex did a great job last year, then maybe a miracle can happen.  But bring a third factor into the decision, Wolf, who isn't committed to Rex in any way, and it is hard to see how Rex survives.

[kelticwizard]

Johnson using a de facto paid employee of the Jets to disseminate information early then tossing in silly excuses for firing both men, to boot. Typically cowardly and unprofessional. For God's sake, grow a pair, have a press conference on Monday morning, and say you're firing both men because you expect Super Bowls and neither one was going to give it to you. Instead, it's because Rex has to pay for the roster, and it's because Woody doesn't like the draft picks, as if he has any base of knowledge to judge them.

 

I  think Woody has the right to look at this year's draft and make a decision based on it.

[Scott Dierking]

If he's getting demoted to "cap specialist" it does not mean he would be the one person drafting the final, signed document. 

 

Besides, I doubt it's necessary to change the contract terms very much other than the specifics of compensation and how it's paid out (or not paid out), which can be attached as an appendix. I doubt every contract is drawn up from scratch for every player. Nothing would get done otherwise. Take the Revis deal in New England as an example. It was signed in a matter of hours of him hitting free agency. Not merely agreed to terms; actually signed. I would be surprised if they drew up a full contract from scratch in the time it took for Revis to have his people negotiate with NE, then call around to see if anyone else wanted to outbid NE, then write it all up from a blank Word document, in a few hours.

 

But again, the proposed option was reducing him to "cap specialist" as his new position, which is not necessarily the team's lone contract drafter. 

I did say boiler plate

[RSJ]

Still doesn't sound that complex. Certainly doesn't sound like science more than math, and it doesn't seem one needs any particular background to do it (unlike being an actual accountant, lawyer, or scientist):

"They are a diverse group to say the least. There's a capologist who came from Boeing, there's one who was a former sportswriter and another who was an ex-coach. Three of them used to be agents. They're the son of the owner (like Dallas' Stephen Jones) or the daughter of the president (such as Cincinnati's Katie Blackburn, Mike Brown's daughter)."

To each his own, though.

I think that part of it is supply and demand too. The other difficulty with the position is that it's not just who you actually signed - but the potential signings that make it more complex. Once free agency hits you probably need a million different cap models will all sorts of variables. Projecting out the potential signings. Cap guys do come from all different backgrounds but it requires unique training by the league. So universities are not pumping out trained capologists every year and most of them are blended with other positions as well which effects supply and demand. You probably don't want your capologists to quit the day before free agency starts because he/she takes a better paying job elsewhere. You would be pretty screwed.

[CTM]

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[SenorGato]

The salary cap should be considered illegal, should be eliminated, and any proponents should be shot for treason/being un-American. Meeeeeeeeeeeerrry Christmas.

[Jet Blast]

It sounds like a major house cleaning is coming...but then you hear the rumors about demoting Idzik and it makes me worry.

 

Either keep Idzik or completely clean house (including Bradway) otherwise it's just going to be more of the same.

Rumors of Idzik's demotion are just that- rumors and mere speculation. Some media hack, looking for a story, put that beauty out there just because Idzik is a cap guy and on some bizarro level that makes sense... or at least enough sense to make a story. I agree with a COMPLETE housecleaning. This should include the scouting staff (that means goodbye Bradway) which has been below average at best.

 

Good to see Johnson is, again, bringing in professionals. Hopefully 2 out of 2 tell him he's got to clean house completely. New candidates, whether GM or HC, don't want others' baggage (Ryan, Bradway primarily) EVEN IF a candidate doesn't (or didn't) think either was so awful. It isn't the point. If one is to be he GM such baggage tells candidates it isn't a full GM position per se. Some may still be interested, but it's just lucky if that happens. Or Woody will just have to pay double (which is fine with me), but even then he very best might stay away because his career will be ruined.

Anyway, presumably these 2 will tell him this since either one was once the very type Woody should now be after. He may have been told in 2013 (he probably was), but hopefully it'll sink in this time.

FWIW, there are some rumors that Woody may be hiring more than the 2 expert consultants currently being talked about. That said, with the duo of Charley Casserly and Ron Wolf advising him, Woody will be in good hands. I like the idea of hiring expert consultants and at least it doesn't look like he will be making the same mistakes (Korn-Ferry and partial housecleaning). I know many have criticized Woody and his handling of the Jets but I think his heart is in the right place and his actions indicate that he has been learning from his mistakes. I am cautiously optimistic that this  time he will get it right.