afosomf Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 after FSU rolls up on Oregon, Winston could go 1. I do think there's a decent chance Amari Cooper could be there, however. He's not Calvin Johnson type of athlete. He's not even Sammy Watkins. Great player on the field but questionable how he will work out. after FSU rolls up on Oregon, Winston could go 1. I do think there's a decent chance Amari Cooper could be there, however. He's not Calvin Johnson type of athlete. He's not even Sammy Watkins. Great player on the field but questionable how he will work out. I disagree with Sammie comment, the Jills fan I know are worried about Sammie. Cooper will be much better as Coop continues to get better.,..he has same work ethic as jerry rice, and yes I predicted Coop will break all his records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 after FSU rolls up on Oregon, Winston could go 1. I do think there's a decent chance Amari Cooper could be there, however. He's not Calvin Johnson type of athlete. He's not even Sammy Watkins. Great player on the field but questionable how he will work out. That's not going to happen. Florida State is probably one of the most overrated undefeated teams in recent college football history. I don't think their defense has a chance of slowing down Oregon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 That's not going to happen. Florida State is probably one of the most overrated undefeated teams in recent college football history. I don't think their defense has a chance of slowing down Oregon. If FSU struggled vs Virginia BC Louisville Miami..... Don't see how they will stay close to Oregon. Pac 10 is 4-0 in bowls and ACC is 3-5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 What do you base that on? The fact that he has been accused of stuff he may or may not have done? On the football field, I see a big, strong armed QB playing in a pro style offense taking center snaps and all. I see a guy making all the throws necessary, and as far as Florida State is concerned he has done nothing wrong. This guy seems far more mature than Johnny freaking Football who is a total clown and a joke. He (Johnny Manziel) will never be a good NFL QB, but Winston WILL. And I hope it is for the NY Jets. I wanted nothing to do with Manziel and said he'd be injured before week 4 so I have no idea why you brought him up. Last season I thought Evans and Benjamin were good picks. It's based on watching every FSU game not just the teams record. Winston plays reckless, throws the ball up for grabs hoping his receivers will make a play and make poor decisions. He'll be a turnover machine in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Neither will be there at 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 got a real bad feeling on winston so i have to go with cooper given these choices. but i'm no scout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I think you pick the QB, and enter camp with Geno and Winston splitting reps. Geno should, in theory, win out if Winston isn't ready, which would suit me fine. Geno can take the lumps while Winston studies, learns and targets the starting job. If Winston wins outright in camp, so be it. Best man plays. I'd sign on for this. I've got no problem picking a QB early and often till we find one. I doubt if either of these guys will be there but I'd be ok with the same game plan with our 2nd round QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I'd sign on for this. I've got no problem picking a QB early and often till we find one. I doubt if either of these guys will be there but I'd be ok with the same game plan with our 2nd round QB. Cant keep wasting early round picks on "what if" QBs this formula hasn't worked. Nagle,Bollinger,Ratliff,Clemens,McElroy,Boyd etc etc........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 That's pretty much the last reason I wouldn't draft him. How many teams didn't think Aaron Rogers was worth it? Russell Wilson? Tom Brady?!? If your scouting team gives Jameis their top grade, you take him and you don't look back. It seems to me that his point is that he trusts other team's scouting teams more than our own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I wanted nothing to do with Manziel and said he'd be injured before week 4 so I have no idea why you brought him up. Last season I thought Evans and Benjamin were good picks. It's based on watching every FSU game not just the teams record. Winston plays reckless, throws the ball up for grabs hoping his receivers will make a play and make poor decisions. He'll be a turnover machine in the NFL. Also a thief and a rapist and perhaps more immature than johnny football if that is possible. Shameus has many of the same talents as Jamarcus had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Cant keep wasting early round picks on "what if" QBs this formula hasn't worked. Nagle,Bollinger,Ratliff,Clemens,McElroy,Boyd etc etc........ Huh? None of those guys were drafted in the first round. Two were drafted in the 2nd round. And you keep taking QBs until you strike it rich with one. And I'm not sure how you lump Browning Nagle in with all of the recent failures. That's a reach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Folk is losing his touch, I say we draft a Kicker. Can't miss pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 WR better pick but I fear unless we fix QB situation ASAP the kid could languish and get rusty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Don't think either one of them will be there at 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 0% chance Cooper gets passed by the Raiders. 0%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 0% chance Cooper gets passed by the Raiders. 0%. we could trade up, who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Huh? None of those guys were drafted in the first round. Two were drafted in the 2nd round. And you keep taking QBs until you strike it rich with one. And I'm not sure how you lump Browning Nagle in with all of the recent failures. That's a reach. Wasted draft picks is my point. Ok then lets pick a QB with each of our 10 draft picks in the 2015 draft why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Given the fact that I didnt have an option to pick "neither" I would suppose Winston would be the pick. You can have all the weapons you want, but if you dont have someone to utilize them then they're useless. Besides, for once we're not WR deficient and I'd prefer to draft WR Devin Smith in the 2nd rd. The difference between him and Cooper is popularity when it comes to fan fair. Cooper is a beast, but you can still draft a beast and get yourself a QB. If Geno ends up being the best QB on the team with Cooper and Decker as the WR's that might as well be considered a failure because both guys will probably be underutilized, but we will probably have another season of 15 picks and 4 fumbles. If Winston is the QB with Decker/Smith, then I would say that its a step in the right direction. You don't bring in a rookie QB with rookie WR starting for him. Thats why I picked Amari Cooper. We can pick a QB next yr in the 1st if it warrants the draft spot. That way, we would have two WRs ready to lift the QB. If we go Winston, we better have one of the top WRs under contract along with Decker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Smith or Winston with Decker,Harvin,Kerley,Cooper or Greene = Improved offense Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Wasted draft picks is my point. Ok then lets pick a QB with each of our 10 draft picks in the 2015 draft why not? Every team in the national football league has wasted picks every single season. If you don't try, especially at the QB position, you'll never try. You should probably draft a QB in every draft if you are deficient at the position, which the Jets are. I don't think you actually have a point. Like at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 I don't think pick Winston for the simple reason. The only way he falls to us over three teams that can use QBs (TB, TN, WAS) is if there were major red flags raised about him, and even teams desperate for a QB decided it wasn't worth it. In a weird way, I would've had a better inclination to draft him if we were picking 2nd, with the hope that when we looked into him, we deemed that some of the stuff was overblown and the talent was just too much. However, at 6, we would know atleast 2 teams with dire needs at QB thought otherwise. I pick Cooper because of it. Either Winston is going to be gone, or be proven too much of a head case. Not the worst explanation of wanting him at #2 but not at #6. However, teams decide to go different directions for various reasons. For instance, Tennessee might say Cooper graded out 95 while Winston graded out 90 in their evaluations and decide to take one more last look at Locker with Cooper. Same with Washington with RGIII. Bucs go Mariotta so they should be out of the discussion. Jags? Thats a different story. It seems more and more likely we wouldn't have a shot at possibly either of the two players. In that case, it would be wise to drop back in to the teens and pick a 2nd rounder or drop down to the twenties n pick up a 2nd AND 3rd. WR heavy draft again so even if we go WR at, say 18, I wouldn't mind another WR in the extra round 2 we picked up. One of them should work out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Every team in the national football league has wasted picks every single season. If you don't try, especially at the QB position, you'll never try. You should probably draft a QB in every draft if you are deficient at the position, which the Jets are. I don't think you actually have a point. Like at all. My point is we have 0 success doing that. Last great QB drafted by the Jets was Joe Namath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 My point is we have 0 success doing that. Last great QB drafted by the Jets was Joe Namath. So what is your solution for the Quarterback situation the Jets currently find themselves in, because there isn't a viable starter on the roster as it stands. There is not much help available via the draft this year, at pick #6 especially. So. How do you fix it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Cant keep wasting early round picks on "what if" QBs this formula hasn't worked. Nagle, Bollinger, Ratliff, Clemens, McElroy, Boyd etc etc........ Whaaat?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 So what is your solution for the Quarterback situation the Jets currently find themselves in, because there isn't a viable starter on the roster as it stands. There is not much help available via the draft this year, at pick #6 especially. So. How do you fix it? Mariota or Winston aren't sure things many have failed before them also 1st round draft picks. You either throw big money at a proven free agent NFL QB Brees,Manning examples or you settle for mediocracy by signing a decent free agent and sticking with Geno Smith if you see a kid available in the 5th 6th round that could be a diamond in the rough after your scouting department evaluates him you draft him. Tom Brady is proof that a great QB doesn't have to be drafted in the first round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 we could trade up, who knows? Gotta be with Jags, but if Winston is bypassed by Titans, we're not trading with Jags unless its an RGIII-esque trade, something I'd love to do only if I was moving down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 You don't bring in a rookie QB with rookie WR starting for him. Thats why I picked Amari Cooper. We can pick a QB next yr in the 1st if it warrants the draft spot. That way, we would have two WRs ready to lift the QB. If we go Winston, we better have one of the top WRs under contract along with Decker. Its not like I want Winston in the first place. I just decided to entertain the thread. With that said, you surely can have a rookie QB and WR for as long as the WR isn't the #1 WR. We have Decker, a 2nd year TE and a solid running game. It wouldnt be the end of the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Mariota or Winston aren't sure things many have failed before them also 1st round draft picks. You either throw big money at a proven free agent NFL QB Brees,Manning examples or you settle for mediocracy by signing a decent free agent and sticking with Geno Smith if you see a kid available in the 5th 6th round that could be a diamond in the rough after your scouting department evaluates him you draft him. Tom Brady is proof that a great QB doesn't have to be drafted in the first round. You're talking in circles. You just said you can't keep drafting QBs and then, here, you say draft one. I'm still not sure what your point is. The Jets need to this offseason at QB: sign a FA to compete, say goodbye to Vick and Simms, and draft a QB in whatever round they feel is going to get them a guy who could be the future, and see what happens. So, yes, they are drafting a QB this season. Probably in an early round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Jet Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Moving up 2 spots will cost a third, using the value chart. Numerous reports have the Titans not taking a QB, including one of their most trusted beat writers, who reported this again just yesterday. Winston may be there. Nobody can predict the draft. If he is, we should grab him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Its not like I want Winston in the first place. I just decided to entertain the thread. With that said, you surely can have a rookie QB and WR for as long as the WR isn't the #1 WR. We have Decker, a 2nd year TE and a solid running game. It wouldnt be the end of the world. We've been there before a couple of times. I'd prefer we have complete/solid supporting cast for the rookie QB. That isn't to say Winston can't have a rookie season like Marino or a rookie WR can't have a rookie yr like Randy Moss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 You're talking in circles. You just said you can't keep drafting QBs and then, here, you say draft one. I'm still not sure what your point is. The Jets need to this offseason at QB: sign a FA to compete, say goodbye to Vick and Simms, and draft a QB in whatever round they feel is going to get them a guy who could be the future, and see what happens. So, yes, they are drafting a QB this season. Probably in an early round. Bo Wallace but early rounds you need to draft immediate impact players who come in and help immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayNoToDMC Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Agreed. Draft tackle at 6, move Brick to rt, sign Iupatti, dump Giacomini, and let Aboushi, Winters and Dozier fight for other g spot. Brick is definitely not a right tackle, if we draft a tackle he's probably starting on the right side till at least after next season when Brick can be cut. Giacomini was another great steal off the Seahawks by Idzik Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Bo Wallace but early rounds you need to draft immediate impact players who come in and help immediately. Yup. Like Aaron Rodgers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincenzo69 Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 So what is your solution for the Quarterback situation the Jets currently find themselves in, because there isn't a viable starter on the roster as it stands. There is not much help available via the draft this year, at pick #6 especially. So. How do you fix it? Trade a 3rd for Mike Glennon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted December 31, 2014 Share Posted December 31, 2014 Cant keep wasting early round picks on "what if" QBs this formula hasn't worked. Nagle,Bollinger,Ratliff,Clemens,McElroy,Boyd etc etc........ Not the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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