SouthernJet Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 3) Why does Quinn get the amazing coordinator title, when Gus Bradley led the same defense before, and he's turned out to be an OK coach, but nothing great? It wasn't like Quinn tweaked the whole system and turned it upside down. He seems to have just continued on with the same system. We also hear that Pete Carrol is the CB whisperer, and how he can develop CBs out of paper bags, and thus form the biggest advantage that Seattle has, yet Quinn gets the credit now that people are looking into him? right,,Pete Carrol is calling defensive shots, we all know that,,Its like saying 'Go hire Thurman cause Jets have had great defenses and he is the DC' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 who's 20 year record are you looking at? Shanahan has a strong winning percentage over 20 years. yeah except for that whole no Elway thing where he's 20 games below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 yeah except for that whole no Elway thing where he's 20 games below. agree......what is Belichicks winning % without Brady,when you combine w/Browns and in NE when Brady out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Shanahan without Elway- forgettable record Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 what is Belichicks winning % without Brady,when you combine w/Browns and in NE when Brady out? Not going to do all the math, but he was 36-44 in Cleveland and I'd take him 99 times out of 100 over Shanahan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 You really think he wants to deal with the NY media and a fan base that takes out billboards to get guys fired? Shanahan has been around too long to put up with all that extra BS. he put up with Daniel Snyder but the NY fanbase is too much for him? don't think so...Shanahan will take any job offered his way. He probably gets one more crack it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Not going to do all the math, but he was 36-44 in Cleveland and I'd take him 99 times out of 100 over Shanahan. so would I..just wondering what it is,,espeically in NE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Quinn would be like any other guy- you have to take a chance on someone with a good background and hope he is capable as a first time head coach. Give him a good support system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Are you honestly saying you don't see these similarities between these two as anything more than looking too hard for them? I see them as glaring. This move fell like Deja-Vu to me - when I was hoping for something very different. Forgive me for not simply lining up to accept it. They are both DCs but I do not see the similarities between their defensive schemes. As for offense, DCs can learn. See BB. Rex could not learn offense. Rex did not try. We have evidence of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
win4ever Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Quinn brings in a winning culture with him, which is something that has been missing here since 1970. I think the year we hired Rex, he was coming off an AFC Championship loss (apparently a theme with him) too, so it wasn't like he was a perennial loser either. I also don't think the winning culture thing translates all that well, but rather talent. If Quinn can help to replicate the talent that Seattle has, then yes it will translate. But with most of the times to me, the winning culture theme is misguided. The ones that translate over are the really smart ones that can fit their schemes with multiple personnel groups and still be successful. However, there are tons of guys that happened to be in the right position at the right time, yet don't really have the wherewithal to translate that success when called upon. I don't know which side Quinn falls into, but I'm not sure we can label him on either side. right,,Pete Carrol is calling defensive shots, we all know that,,Its like saying 'Go hire Thurman cause Jets have had great defenses and he is the DC' Exactly, all I've heard through the years was the Carrol was the real genius behind that defense, and how amazing he is at developing the secondary. Bradley hasn't been anything great either so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Joe Gibbs would like to have a word with you. Lol 3 Super Bowls with 3 different qbs. Hall of famers jay Schroeder Doug Williams and snap crackle pop theism an. You can't win without a great qb, history has proven that. Haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkeyeJet Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I don't understand the angst against a first time Head Coach. 2/3 of this years playoff coaches are in their first gig. If the 4 that aren't, the only big driving difference between their first gig and second gig is their QB play is better(with the exception of Caldwell) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 so would I..just wondering what it is,,espeically in NE Looks like Brady has started every possible game except the year Cassell played, and 2 games in 01. I may be reading it wrong though. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BradTo00.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I think people are overlooking that success and failure is largely about the individual, not the path they took. another factor that people should consider is that Rex hired a fair number of crap assistants. I have no reason to believe Quinn will do tht. He has to prove it to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 32-52 without John Elway He was in Denver for ten years post-Elway. I'm pretty sure your math is a bit spotty there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Exactly, all I've heard through the years was the Carrol was the real genius behind that defense, and how amazing he is at developing the secondary. Bradley hasn't been anything great either so. In fairness to Bradley, that team is probably the worst run franchise in sports at the moment. They're consistently $20 mil under the cap. I think Khan is the fakest owner in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Wow so Jets will Hire QUINN SHANAHAN and quite possibly CUTLER with no say from New GM! Jets will always be Jests, Unreal what a slapdick org. Go Pack Go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 He was in Denver for ten years post-Elway. I'm pretty sure your math is a bit spotty there. You're right. 91-69 I still don't want him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Wow so Jets will Hire QUINN SHANAHAN and quite possibly CUTLER with no say from New GM! Jets will always be Jests, Unreal what a slapdick org. Go Pack Go. We're getting Cutler? Where are you getting this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 You're right. 91-69 I still don't want him. Good, because we aren't getting him. Not sure why it's a topic of conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Wow so Jets will Hire QUINN SHANAHAN and quite possibly CUTLER with no say from New GM! Jets will always be Jests, Unreal what a slapdick org. Go Pack Go. Does this mean you're leaving forever again, Mr. Assmop? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 We're getting Cutler? Where are you getting this? Im guessing on Cutler with Shanahan hands all over it. and Cutler > Geno but not by much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Lol 3 Super Bowls with 3 different qbs. Hall of famers jay Schroeder Doug Williams and snap crackle pop theism an. You can't win without a great qb, history has proven that. Haha The Tuna won 2 Bowls with Simms who in 1986 had 21 tds and 22 picks. In 1990 Simms and Hoss together had 18 tds and 5 picks and at no time did he ever have a QB with 60% completion those teams were G&P and a strong D.. Of course that was then and this is now and a top QB is needed.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Does this mean you're leaving forever again, Mr. Assmop? When I find your wallet again I will go lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Im guessing on Cutler with Shanahan hands all over it. and Cutler > Geno but not by much Yeah, because Kyle Shanahan has taken Cutler everywhere with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
win4ever Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 In fairness to Bradley, that team is probably the worst run franchise in sports at the moment. They're consistently $20 mil under the cap. I think Khan is the fakest owner in the NFL. I think the GM there is in essence operating under a 5 or 6 year plan. I think they are better with just rolling over the money than spending right now because the team really isn't even a couple of free agents away from really competing. They seem to be doing the right thing in trying to develop Bortles with weapons, possibly filling in the OL in the draft more, and hope he takes off. I don't think they are going to spend like crazy until they find the QB to be successful. So far Bortles looks very shaky, and passing on Bridgewater seems like a big mistake, especially when they could easily have picked anyone they liked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Yeah, because Kyle Shanahan has taken Cutler everywhere with him. Kyle wasn't in a position to take Cutler, Cutler will be released and will be a FA imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I think the year we hired Rex, he was coming off an AFC Championship loss (apparently a theme with him) too, so it wasn't like he was a perennial loser either. I also don't think the winning culture thing translates all that well, but rather talent. If Quinn can help to replicate the talent that Seattle has, then yes it will translate. But with most of the times to me, the winning culture theme is misguided. The ones that translate over are the really smart ones that can fit their schemes with multiple personnel groups and still be successful. However, there are tons of guys that happened to be in the right position at the right time, yet don't really have the wherewithal to translate that success when called upon. I don't know which side Quinn falls into, but I'm not sure we can label him on either side. Exactly, all I've heard through the years was the Carrol was the real genius behind that defense, and how amazing he is at developing the secondary. Bradley hasn't been anything great either so. I do not want my head coach calling all the plays from the sideline. For offense or defense. I want a head coach. He can do almost all of his suggesting during game prep, and come game day, manage the affairs of the game. I wonder who Quinn would want as a DC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Good, because we aren't getting him. Not sure why it's a topic of conversation. Because another poster said they wanted an "experienced HC" instead of a newbie OC or DC, and I listed all the former HC candidates. He was one of them. See how that works? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 I think the GM there is in essence operating under a 5 or 6 year plan. I think they are better with just rolling over the money than spending right now because the team really isn't even a couple of free agents away from really competing. They seem to be doing the right thing in trying to develop Bortles with weapons, possibly filling in the OL in the draft more, and hope he takes off. I don't think they are going to spend like crazy until they find the QB to be successful. So far Bortles looks very shaky, and passing on Bridgewater seems like a big mistake, especially when they could easily have picked anyone they liked. Fair enough. I probably would have taken Bortles too though. I had him and Carr as the better QB choices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 The Tuna won 2 Bowls with Simms who in 1986 had 21 tds and 22 picks. In 1990 Simms and Hoss together had 18 tds and 5 picks and at no time did he ever have a QB with 60% completion those teams were G&P and a strong D.. Of course that was then and this is now and a top QB is needed.. Listen the 1990 Giants after Simms and Rodney Hampton got hurt would run OJ Anderson right and left on first and second down almost every series and nobody could stop their running game. That was the last real ground and pound. Along with a great defense. Also Parcells kept saying that they won't even get past the Bears at the first home playoff game according to the media to the players over and over again. They crushed the Bears, shut them out before going to sf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Because another poster said they wanted an "experienced HC" instead of a newbie OC or DC, and I listed all the former HC candidates. He was one of them. See how that works? Candidates for what? Just a list of former head coaches that aren't dead? The Jets interviewed Marrone and wanted to talk to Kubiak. That's it. It's obvious that NFL head coaching experience isn't a high priority to the team. I'm really not sure why anyone is bent out of shape that the Jets aren't getting a retread. I'd prefer the unknown when you already know the known isn't good enough, ya know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 When I find your wallet again I will go lol You still remember that? And it was my passport too lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Brian Bassett at JetBlog just posted this. Not sure I believe it. Question is: Does Woody believe it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 8, 2015 Share Posted January 8, 2015 Candidates for what? Just a list of former head coaches that aren't dead? The Jets interviewed Marrone and wanted to talk to Kubiak. That's it. It's obvious that NFL head coaching experience isn't a high priority to the team. I'm really not sure why anyone is bent out of shape that the Jets aren't getting a retread. I'd prefer the unknown when you already know the known isn't good enough, ya know? Former HCs that are looking for jobs in January 2015. Me too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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