CanadienJetsFan Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Tom Benson the Pats just have a way of wiggling out situations like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vanDoug Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I'm enjoying this. Sad, but it's the most fun this Jets fan has had in the playoffs for a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Just refer to them as the Patriots* now Someone coined the name 'Deflatriots'. I like it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rexorcism Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Eat it, Patriot Cheats! Cheating Scandals Will Forever Tarnish the Brady-Belichick Legacy It's time to stop with the excuses. Stop with looking the other way. Just stop. Stop defending Tom Brady and Bill Belichick. I've defended their Spygate shenanigans as minor cheating. Defended their Super Bowls. Defended it all. But no human being with a functioning cerebrum can do that now. Sure, New England Patriots fans will. This is what fans do. Everyone cheats. All teams try to get an edge. You think the Patriots are the only team to underinflate footballs? It wouldn't have mattered in the game anyway. You're just a hater. All Brady and Belichick want to do is win. They are winners. Because winning. Patriot winning is greater than your winning. Mom, apple pie and winning. Please hold it down over there. We're winning. The excuses from Patriots fans are flowing like a fine vintage of clam chowder. This is the second time the Patriots have shown they don't care about rules. To the Patriots, rules are for suckers. Rules are for losers. Rules are for you and me, not for Brady and B. One underinflated football is interesting. Three are curious. Eight are a pattern. But 11 of 12? That's serial. Don't blame the weather. Don't look for false equivalence. Don't say the Packers overinflated, the Vikings warmed their footballs, the Earth's gravitational pull caused the air to leak or microscopic black holes sucked out the pressure. Matt Slocum/Associated Press Just use your mind, embrace the common sense of it all. I've defended Belichick as pushing the boundaries of the rules, right up to the wall, but won't defend him for cheating—for breaking the rules to gain an advantage. It's different now. You may believe in coincidence, but if you do, you are a fool. Belichick and Brady cheated. No, they are not the only ones. But this is the second blatant example of rules skirting. This is no longer coincidence. This is a culture that I didn't think existed there but does. There is no explanation for 11 of 12 footballs being doctored other than purposeful manipulation. This is why the NFL should, and I think will, come down hard on the Patriots. If the NFL doesn't, it will look like it's enabling cheating. Roger Goodell is on record as saying he would punish teams harsher that try to cheat the competitive balance rules. After Spygate in 2008, he wrote this to the competition committee: Too often, competitive violations have gone unpunished because conclusive proof of the violation was lacking. I believe we should reconsider the standard of proof to be applied in such cases, and make it easier for a competitive violation to be established. And where a violation is shown, I intend to impose more stringent penalties on both the club and the responsible individual(s). I will also be prepared to make greater use of draft choice forfeiture in appropriate cases. I believe this will have the effect of deterring violations and making people more willing to report violations on a timely basis. What I hear most from Patriots fans is wait and see what the NFL says. Why should I? Tell me why the Patriots deserve the benefit of the doubt here? "It's a mess just because it's the Patriots and what Spygate…all the implications from that," Steve Young said on ESPN, "and then also, the fact the Patriots are one of the best organizations in football. Maybe in history. They do all the most difficult things so well, all the the things that no one else in the league can do, free agency and salary caps and bringing out the best in players. All the things they do that are very difficult. "And now this is going to be talked about. Underinflation of footballs. Hey look, it's outside of the rules, I get it. It will mean more to the legacy of what the Patriots are trying to do." That is perhaps the most significant point of all. Belichick will go into the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Brady will, as well. But all of this will follow them. Belichick, in particular, didn't make just one mistake. We all do that. This now looks like he's a serial cheater. All of his brilliance and coaching acumen and stunning winning can't be taken away. I've defended that just as recently as this week. But this new information changes things. Because I don't believe this is Belichick and Brady's first rodeo with deflating footballs. It's likely this has gone on for some time. You'd be a fool not to believe that. Belichick deserves most of the heat. It's hard to fathom that a man who controls every aspect of the organization down to the mitochondrial level wouldn't know about this. Brady is also not absolved. If there were 11 of 12 footballs underinflated, and Brady is on the record saying he likes them underinflated, it's impossible to believe he didn't know. Matt Slocum/Associated Press When Brady goes to that microphone in Canton one day, as he should, it will be a glorious day for him. But before that day, and beyond it, these controversies are now attached to him. Patriots reporter Tom Curran wrote for Comcast Sports Net in New England: This is officially a big deal. It doesn't matter if every other team in the league screws with the PSI. It doesn't matter if Bill Belichick didn't even know the balls were manipulated (if they were). It doesn't matter that they would have bludgeoned the Colts anyway. The Patriots cannot comport themselves with a 'do business as business is being done' mentality. They forfeited the right to that mentality in 2007 when they got pinched for filming defensive signals and the 72 miles of fire and sharp glass the team got dragged through as a result should have convinced them. I want fans defending the Patriots to consider this scenario: The Patriots lost their last two Super Bowls to the Giants. What if it was discovered in those games that the Giants had some sort of edge the Patriots did not? And that edge was illegal? What would you think? What would you say? The Patriots are winners. They're brilliant. They may also be something else. And here we are. Entering the Super Bowl, we have The Deflatriots. And God forbid they lose this Super Bowl, because if they do, everyone will say the team can't win without cheating. And this is how legacies are destroyed. Mike Freeman covers the NFL for Bleacher Report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I hope he does not get suspended before the super bowl, perfect deflection and the team will be made out to be heroic for winning without the guru. I'd rarther they play, win or lose and then get the hammer tossed at them next year. If they suspend him and they win the Pats get to be made out as heros for pulling it off. If they suspend him and they lose they have a ready made excuse for all time. No, do not suspend him now, throw the book at him and the team after the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 How does that help the Jets? Even if BB gets suspended for the season, Jets will win no more than 4-6 games and the Pats will continue to win their annual 12+ games. How do yo see that helping the Jets? Only way I can see is maybe FAs dont go there if BB suspended, or vibe the franchise is ending it 'reign'.. Conjecture from me Tex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 wouldn't be surprised if brady get some sort of punishment also. or maybe he just retires. pats will be back to yearly suckage after that. Bready safe,, IMHO Kraft pays with $$ abd drfat picks,,Belly get seither SB suspension or 2015 suspension aka Sean Peyton. I think Peyton pusinshment more likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 wouldn't be surprised if brady get some sort of punishment also. Nope, NFLPA would not allow that to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Nope, NFLPA would not allow that to happen. true. They are a very strong union. Make the MLBPA look weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 "We're only going to deflate 17 balls? Ha ha ha....okay." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Only way I can see is maybe FAs dont go there if BB suspended, or vibe the franchise is ending it 'reign'.. Conjecture from me Tex? When was the last time the Pats signed a productive FA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Nope, NFLPA would not allow that to happen. Tell that to Jonathan Vilma. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rillo Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 When was the last time the Pats signed a productive FA? #24 u slipping on your troll game brah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 true. They are a very strong union. Make the MLBPA look weak. Really? The MLBPA has no salary cap and guaranteed contracts. The MLBPA laughs at the NFLPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 When was the last time the Pats signed a productive FA? Does Revis count? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA BAN THE ****IN CHEATER this superbowl doesn't count, the ravens or colts should be playing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA BAN THE ****IN CHEATER this superbowl doesn't count, the ravens or colts should be playing sounds like ravens per ravens Kickers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Really? The MLBPA has no salary cap and guaranteed contracts. The MLBPA laughs at the NFLPA. I'm joking you jackass. Jesus. NFLPA isn't stopping sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadienJetsFan Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Barabababa, I'm lovin' it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I'm joking you jackass. Jesus. Jackass? Really? Friendly tip: Next time you joke, make it funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 This thread makes me believe in Santa again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 #24 u slipping on your troll game brah Give him a break. This whole episode has him pretty flustered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 I actually feel kind of bad for the rest of the team. They probably had zero part in this, just busting their humps to win the game and their scumbag Head Coach and QB made a decision that tarnishes the rest of the teams amazing season. It really is a shame. I'd be pissed if I were a player. I'd probably want BB to punished for tarnishing their reputation let alone damaging the integrity of the game. It's like you and Rodney Harrison share the same dentist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Speaking of Rodney Harrison...Merrrrry Christmas everybody ho ho ho http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/10/rodney-harrison-reacts-to-shulas-use-of-beli-cheat/ Rodney Harrison reacts to Shula’s use of “Beli-cheat” Posted by Mike Florio on January 10, 2015, 8:04 AM EST Getty Images Recently, legendary NFL coach Don Shula referred to Patriots coach Bill Belichick as “Beli-cheat.” The story created plenty of buzz — and generated a large stack of approved (and deleted) comments from PFT Planet. On Friday’s edition of PFT Live on NBC Sports Radio, former Patriots safety Rodney Harrison defended Belichick against Shula’s remark, and also gave Belichick high praise. “I just think it’s flat-out disrespectful,” Harrison said. “I always have respect for Don Shula. I don’t think that Bill Belichick deserves that. People make mistakes and do things, but Bill Belichick has proven that he’s the greatest coach of all time. You can look at the last decade of what he’s done, what he’s been able to accomplish. But it’s one of those things where as a coach, another well-respected coach, you don’t come out and say those things like that about another coach. I think it’s flat-out disrespectful.” Shula’s comments, rooted in the lingering fumes of Spygate, overstate the value of the infraction (videotaping the opponent’s defensive coaching signals) and overlook the reality that plenty of mild-to-moderate (and worse) cheating occurred throughout the sport before, during, and after Shula’s coaching tenure. The bigger question is whether Harrison accurately pegs Belichick as the greatest coach of all time. I have a feeling a few of you may be chiming in on that one below. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Jackass? Really? Friendly tip: Next time you joke, make it funny. Just because you're freaking oblivious to sarcasm doesn't mean everyone is. Look at who I was responding to FFS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Bart Hubbuch @BartHubbuch 59s60 seconds ago Ex-NFL ref Gerry Austin told ESPN halftime inspection showed all 12 Colts footballs properly inflated, all 12 Patriots footballs were not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Just because you're freaking oblivious to sarcasm doesn't mean everyone is. Look at who I was responding to FFS. Lighten up Francis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ComfortablyNumb Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 When was the last time the Pats signed a productive FA? The troll is shook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Speaking of Rodney Harrison...Merrrrry Christmas everybody ho ho ho http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/10/rodney-harrison-reacts-to-shulas-use-of-beli-cheat/ Rodney Harrison reacts to Shula’s use of “Beli-cheat” Posted by Mike Florio on January 10, 2015, 8:04 AM EST Getty Images Recently, legendary NFL coach Don Shula referred to Patriots coach Bill Belichick as “Beli-cheat.” The story created plenty of buzz — and generated a large stack of approved (and deleted) comments from PFT Planet. On Friday’s edition of PFT Live on NBC Sports Radio, former Patriots safety Rodney Harrison defended Belichick against Shula’s remark, and also gave Belichick high praise. “I just think it’s flat-out disrespectful,” Harrison said. “I always have respect for Don Shula. I don’t think that Bill Belichick deserves that. People make mistakes and do things, but Bill Belichick has proven that he’s the greatest coach of all time. You can look at the last decade of what he’s done, what he’s been able to accomplish. But it’s one of those things where as a coach, another well-respected coach, you don’t come out and say those things like that about another coach. I think it’s flat-out disrespectful.” Shula’s comments, rooted in the lingering fumes of Spygate, overstate the value of the infraction (videotaping the opponent’s defensive coaching signals) and overlook the reality that plenty of mild-to-moderate (and worse) cheating occurred throughout the sport before, during, and after Shula’s coaching tenure. The bigger question is whether Harrison accurately pegs Belichick as the greatest coach of all time. I have a feeling a few of you may be chiming in on that one below. Losing two Super Bowls makes somebody the greatest coach of all time? Harrison has some pretty low standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Bart Hubbuch @BartHubbuch 59s60 seconds ago Ex-NFL ref Gerry Austin told ESPN halftime inspection showed all 12 Colts footballs properly inflated, all 12 Patriots footballs were not. Well, that certainly takes care of the whole "Cold air reduces air pressure" excuse. Dead to Rights!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitemare2123 Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Since the Pats have not said anything yet on this, by being silent means they are guilty of cheating. These things should occur: 1)Superbowl cancelled 2)Patriots banned from NFL for atleast 3 years 3)All titles won with same staff stripped for good 4)Lose of top two draft picks when re-instated Fines dont matter as Kraft is a millionaire. Since this is there second time caught cheating, this punishment should be made. However, I am sure NFL will only slap a fine and a lose of a draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jolot Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 Bready safe,, IMHO Kraft pays with $$ abd drfat picks,,Belly get seither SB suspension or 2015 suspension aka Sean Peyton. I think Peyton pusinshment more likely. Me too , as the day goes on its becoming more and more likely that he's sitting next year..the real question is are they gonna let him coach the super bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sperm Edwards Posted January 21, 2015 Share Posted January 21, 2015 The tickets were bought from the teams. That is an easy one to refund. The hotels can be backed out of. The airfare I can see as an issue - but it's really the only issue and the Pats fine can be reimbursing its fans. The commercial time can be resold. Not an issue there either. Especially when most is sold far in advance. The NFL licenses the super bowl a year in advance, sometimes farther. The tickets were bought from the teams? You think there are no fans who have already bought superbowl tickets from stubhub or any other ticket broker? C'mon. Actually, hotels cannot be backed out of. Superbowl hotel reservations are non-refundable. There are many things already in place because they know who's playing, that has cost an unknown amount to an unknown number of people. It is totally unrealistic idea, no matter how much it satisfies your (or my) sense of justice. Any hope of that happening had to be done at halftime in the Colts game, in the form of a forfeit on the spot. Now what's done is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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