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You sure you are a Pats fan? You are too honest.

Do you think the controversy will be a distraction to the NE players or will it create an us against the world mentality for them and make them tougher to beat?

 

Pats vs the world.

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I'm with you.  Cookies keeps dissapearing in my house when Im alone and I always get blamed.  I even hide the wrappers in the neighbors trash but Mrs Crusher keeps asking, "If not you then who Fatass?

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I believe 11 pieces of evidence were found earlier this week. Keep on keepin' on though

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At least they've got their priorities straight.

 

Seriously, if the NFL put as much effort into investigating the Pats as they have in pestering Marshawn Lynch about TD celebrations and his cleats, then they might have actually gotten to the bottom of things already instead of appearing as tough they haven't even started.

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I am over it. They are both liars and know there is no way the nfl can find proof who did it. The arrogance by both of them is sickening. They have been and always will be cheaters and everyone except Pats fans know and believe it. Their name and integrity is tainted enough now that it will haunt them all the way to NOT getting into the HOF.

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Mark Brunell: "I did not believe what Tom had to say. Those balls were deflated. Somebody had to do it. I don't believe there's an equipment manager in the NFL that would, on his own initiative, deflate a ball without the starting QB's approval ... That football is our livelihood. If you don't feel good about throwing that ball? Your success on the football field can suffer from that."

Jerome Bettis: "I'm so disappointed because I thought this was a perfect opportunity for Tom Brady to go and say 'You know what? I made a mistake. I blew it. It's on me. I'll take the blame here, and this will go away.' He didn't do that ... I'm disappointed in you, Tom Brady."

Brian Dawkins: "This is unbelievable. For you not to know what you touch every play? ... The equipment manager is being thrown under the bus now. Now he's the guy. Now he's the one responsible. He took it upon himself to doctor up the balls when nobody else knew about it? That hard [to believe]."

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Mark Brunell: "I did not believe what Tom had to say. Those balls were deflated. Somebody had to do it. I don't believe there's an equipment manager in the NFL that would, on his own initiative, deflate a ball without the starting QB's approval ... That football is our livelihood. If you don't feel good about throwing that ball? Your success on the football field can suffer from that."

Jerome Bettis: "I'm so disappointed because I thought this was a perfect opportunity for Tom Brady to go and say 'You know what? I made a mistake. I blew it. It's on me. I'll take the blame here, and this will go away.' He didn't do that ... I'm disappointed in you, Tom Brady."

Brian Dawkins: "This is unbelievable. For you not to know what you touch every play? ... The equipment manager is being thrown under the bus now. Now he's the guy. Now he's the one responsible. He took it upon himself to doctor up the balls when nobody else knew about it? That hard [to believe]."

 

 

if the balls truly were at 10.5 psi they all lied and they all should get the hammer

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Harbaugh says more about Deflate-Gate
 
January 22, 2015, 8:15 pm
 
 

Ravens coach John Harbaugh said Thursday he felt confident the NFL would get to the bottom of Deflate-Gate, and punish the Patriots if warranted. 

“I think the league is on it, and they’re going to do whatever is right and proper,” said Harbaugh, coaching at the Pro Bowl this week, speaking to Sal Paolantonio of ESPN. “They’re going to make sure the game is played with integrity, it’s played the right way, it’s fair and there are no unfair advantages for either side in any game. That’s what sport’s all about, that’s what football’s all about, that’s their obligation, and I’m confident that they’re up to that responsibility.”

Harbaugh did not mince words when asked if deflating footballs would give Patriots quarterback Tom Brady an advantage. “I think there’s an obvious answer to that: Yes, it would be an unfair advantage,” Harbaugh said.

After the Thursday press conferences held by Patriots coach Bill Belichick and Brady, many questions were left unanswered and it was clear Deflate-Gate was not going away. Harbaugh was just echoing the feelings of many around the NFL. Owners, executives, coaches, players, and fans all wanted more answers.

 

Clifton Brown is CSNbaltimore.com's Ravens Insider. 
 

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Harbaugh says more about Deflate-Gate
 
January 22, 2015, 8:15 pm
 
 

Ravens coach John Harbaugh said Thursday he felt confident the NFL would get to the bottom of Deflate-Gate, and punish the Patriots if warranted. 

“I think the league is on it, and they’re going to do whatever is right and proper,” said Harbaugh, coaching at the Pro Bowl this week, speaking to Sal Paolantonio of ESPN. “They’re going to make sure the game is played with integrity, it’s played the right way, it’s fair and there are no unfair advantages for either side in any game. That’s what sport’s all about, that’s what football’s all about, that’s their obligation, and I’m confident that they’re up to that responsibility.”

Harbaugh did not mince words when asked if deflating footballs would give Patriots quarterback Tom Brady an advantage. “I think there’s an obvious answer to that: Yes, it would be an unfair advantage,” Harbaugh said.

After the Thursday press conferences held by Patriots coach Bill Belichick and Brady, many questions were left unanswered and it was clear Deflate-Gate was not going away. Harbaugh was just echoing the feelings of many around the NFL. Owners, executives, coaches, players, and fans all wanted more answers.

 

Clifton Brown is CSNbaltimore.com's Ravens Insider. 

 

 

I'm glad he said it. It was an obvious advantage.

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I get it. I did say that wasn't shocking. There were however some I heard today that thought that BB was probably telling the truth.

 

Yes  - but not everyone.  Check out this article posted tonight.

 

Armour: Belichick, Brady have no clue and no credibility  

Nancy Armour, USA TODAY Sports7:44 p.m. EST January 22, 2015

The biggest control freaks in the NFL sure picked a convenient time to go oblivious.

 

The New England Patriots are the most secretive, most suspicious, most aggressively competitive team in the league. Probably all of sports. Yet Bill Belichick has "no explanation" for how balls might have been deflated during Sunday's AFC Championship. Tom Brady has "no knowledge of anything" – except that he'd never do anything to break the rules, of course.

 

Now, if this were another team, ignorance would probably pass for an excuse. But Belichick has proven time and again that no detail is small enough to escape his attention, that he'll do just about anything to gain a competitive advantage. This, remember, is the guy who once put Brady on the injury report for three years running just to throw off opponents.

 

That someone could be tampering with footballs without Belichick's knowledge and/or tacit approval simply begs credibility.

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Nor does this guy buy the "I don't know anything" line...

 

Hyde5: Brady, Belichick don't sound believable at all

1. Bill Belichick isn’t believable when he says he, “has no explanation” for how the AFC Championship Game footballs were under-inflated.

A story is swirling in the national headlines? He’s the czar of his franchise? He's already been convicted of cheating and a second strike would be legacy changing? And four days later he has no idea what happened? Are you kidding me?

 

Nor is Tom Brady believable when he says he’s “as surprised as anyone,” about the Deflate-gate. He’s the quarterback. He works with the balls all week and then hands over the 12 he wants to play with. Again, if there was a major controversy over them he would find out the issue four days later.

 

The best explanation for what happened Thursday was Belichick and Brady decided to play the no-knowledge card and get through the Super Bowl. And NFL commissioner Roger Goodell evidently is going to let them because the investigation hasn’t talked to Brady, at the very least. Is it a big deal? Well, let’s listen to what people are saying inside the game.

 

ESPN analyst and former Jacksonville quarterback Mark Brunell: “I did not believe what Tom (Brady) had to say. Those balls were deflated.  Somebody had to do it.  And I don’t believe there’s an equipment manager in the NFL that would on his own initiative deflate a ball without his starting quarterback’s approval.  I just didn’t believe what Tom Brady had to say.”

 

Hall of Fame coach John Madden told The SportsXchange: “That (deflated balls) would have to be driven by the quarterback. That’s something that wouldn’t be driven by a coach or just the equipment guy.  Nobody, not even the head coach, would do anything to a football unilaterally, such as adjust the amount of pressure in a ball, without the quarterback not knowing.  It would have to be the quarterback’s idea.”

 

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/

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Belichick knows all the loopholes like the eligible receiver crap he's been pulling but he doesn't know the specifications of the football , who in their right mind would believe that.

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And in Chicago the skeptics also weigh in...

 

Spygate' conviction coming back to haunt Belichick, Patriots

Posted: 01/22/2015, 09:29pm | Mark Potash  http://chicago.suntimes.com/
 

It’s not just about deflating footballs. It’s about the integrity of the game.

 

Deflated footballs aren’t the reason the Patriots beat the Colts 45-7 in the AFC Championship Game. Then again, a third-rate burglary isn’t the reason Nixon trounced McGovern 520-17 in 1972 and Watergate still led to his resignation. In the NFL, as in politics, you just never know.

 

“Deflate-gate” is unlikely to bring down Bill Belichick, but whether it’s is a scandal or another bit of over-the-top gamesmanship by the Patriots, it’s only the latest chicanery related to Belichick that we know about.  If they’re using deflated footballs, what else are the Patriots doing to gain an advantage?

 

The Patriots’ latest controversy blew up Thursday. The suspicion over the Patriots’ 11 deflated footballs against the Colts, the speculation over how directly Belichick and Tom Brady might be involved and the suggestions of punishment — a fine, being suspended for the Super Bowl, losing draft picks, flogging, playing the Super Bowl with the Bears’ defense — have reached extreme levels. But Belichick and the Patriots deserve every bit of it.

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Troy aikman blasted Belichik and brady and went after Goodell accused him of favoring the pats ...good for him , shocking that Phil ( that's a good call by the ref Jim ) Simms hasn't spoken out against Master Roger...utterly shocking.

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Belichick knows all the loopholes like the eligible receiver crap he's been pulling but he doesn't know the specifications of the football , who in their right mind would believe that.

 

He knows everything...he had a meltdown when we beat him in 2006 in the rain and mud and demanded Kraft install FieldTurf. The following week Gillette Stadium had FieldTurf. Coincidentally after that game is when the Pats stopped fumbling and started dominating in poor weather games....as the stats in Integrity28's thread indicate.

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the dogs are out.  goddell must give them blood

 

 

http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/12213363/tom-brady-tale-hold-weight

 

Under his oversized ski cap, Tom Brady could not hide from the fact he was convicting himself in the court of public opinion. The quarterback of the New England Patriots admitted that footballs pumped up to 12.5 pounds per square inch are "a perfect fit for me," yet swore he did not notice a difference in the AFC Championship Game when the balls weighed two pounds lighter.

 

 

Brady's story Thursday was harder to believe than the story of the 199th pick in the NFL draft becoming one of the greatest players of all time. The lead-footed pocket passer became a Russell Wilson-like scrambler in the half hour he fielded questions at the team's facility, and when it was over it was clear that the only starting quarterback to advance to six Super Bowls had just lost one of the biggest games of his life.

 

 

"I would never do anything outside of the rules of play," Brady said.

 

 

But his own words told a different tale, and as soon as he was done talking a 17-year veteran of the quarterback position, Mark Brunell, said on ESPN that he was among those who didn't believe Brady. Earlier Thursday, even before Bill Belichick seemed to be throwing his franchise player under a triple-decker bus in his own news conference, Hall of Famer Troy Aikman said on a Dallas radio station the following:

 

 

"It's obvious that Tom Brady had something to do with this."

 

 

Sadly, it only became more obvious after Brady spoke. And if the NFL finds in the coming days that Brady did have something to do with altering the 11 Patriots footballs ESPN's Chris Mortensen reported to be under-inflated in the first half of the 45-7 victory over the Indianapolis Colts, then Commissioner Roger Goodell needs to bench him for the Super Bowl.

 

As much as he has been compromised by the whole Ray Rice case, Goodell cannot make a mockery of his championship game by allowing someone to participate who broke league rules to ensure a competitive advantage in the semifinal. Of course, it would be nice if the NFL actually got around to interviewing Brady, who said he has yet to sit down with the league. Goodell's crack detectives must be too busy trying to track down a third Rice video.

 

 

Whatever. Brady swears that he beat the Colts "fair and square," and that he had no knowledge "of any wrongdoing" as it relates to those 11 balls turning up significantly lighter than the 12.5-13.5 pounds per square inch the league mandates.

 

 

Put aside Brady's acknowledgment that this is a very serious issue, and not the kind of thing you joke about the way he did Monday on his weekly radio appearance on WEEI. Put aside Brady's acknowledgment that the game's integrity needs to be protected more than anyone's quarterback, and that the laws governing the sport are important to him ("Maybe those guys gotta study the rule book and figure it out," he said of the Baltimore Ravens whining about New England's funky substitutions).

 

 

Focus on the loosest brick in Brady's version of events -- or non-version of events -- that took down the whole house. The quarterback said more than once that a ball at 12.5 pounds psi felt like magic in his hands, and it made sense. Any elite craftsman or artist or athlete could tell you that the tools of his or her trade are not interchangeable parts. Right before a performance, Jimi Hendrix would've known if he'd been handed something other than his most reliable guitar.

 

But Brady claimed that the NFL game moves so fast, he doesn't have time to worry about the weight or feel of the ball once the bodies start flying. "I get the snap," he said, "I drop back, I throw the ball."

 

 

He has thrown it better than just about every quarterback dead or alive. Sure, Brady would've beaten Andrew Luck and the Colts with a bowling ball, or any ball, and the people who keep defaulting to that truth are missing the point.

 

 

 

This isn't about whether the Patriots needed to cheat. This is only about whether they did cheat.

 

 

And along those lines, Belichick's earlier appearance came across as more credible than Brady's. The coach knew that he couldn't on-to-Seattle his way through this crisis, so he borrowed a scene from the "Casablanca" script and dramatically claimed he was shocked -- shocked -- to find that deflating is going on in here.

 

Belichick took the hit on Spygate way back when, and in this stunning, 11-minute show of human emotion and defiance and self-preservation -- his most startling presser since he famously resigned as HC of the NYJ -- he all but said, Tommy, it's your turn to take the hit on this one.

 

 

The hooded overlord of the Patriots maintained that he'd never discussed a football's air pressure with anyone in his 40-year NFL career, and that his quarterbacks, kickers and specialists knew a hell of a lot more about the condition of gameday balls than he did.

 

 

But Belichick didn't name any kickers or specialists. He did name a certain dimpled quarterback.

 

 

"Tom's personal preferences on his footballs," Belichick said, "is something he can talk about in much better detail and information than I can possibly provide."

 

 

Belichick was so desperate to ensure he wouldn't be the fall guy this time around, he opened a window on his maximum-security world and told of how he constantly scuffs up footballs in practice to create for his players the most challenging conditions possible. (Now 31 other NFL coaches are saying, "Why didn't I think of that?") This was Belichick's way of conceding he's not beyond playing dirty tricks with the equipment but only within the boundaries of the law and never within the boundaries of an AFC Championship Game.

 

Though it was hard to accept Belichick's claim he never knew anything about the pre-kick journeys of your average game ball, especially when he's more control freak than control enthusiast, he wouldn't have lateraled this mess to Brady without a good reason. Their once-in-a-lifetime partnership would be forever destroyed, along with their chances of beating Seattle, if the coach was involved in the deflation and still made it Brady's burden to bear.

 

 

"I have no explanation for what happened," Belichick insisted.

 

 

Brady would say more of the same, and would even add that he believed in the ball boys' innocence, too. Truth is, somebody did something to those footballs, and the man who threw 35 passes for the winners had to know he was playing with illegal balls in the first half and, after inspection and correction at halftime, the legal stuff in the second.

 

 

Once upon a time, after he was drafted late in the sixth round in 2000, Brady introduced himself to Patriots owner Robert Kraft and told him, "I'm the best decision this organization has ever made." Maybe for the first time in his career Thursday, Brady didn't look like that best decision. He looked and sounded weak and in desperate need of a tuck rule, though he said his friends need not worry.

 

 

"I tell them I'm going to be OK," Brady said. "This isn't ISIS. No one's dying. We'll get through this."

 

 

He's right. Someday pro football will be about pro football again.

 

 

But if the league finds evidence that Brady didn't tell the truth here, and that he did cut a corner even Belichick wouldn't cut, Goodell needs to make Jimmy Garoppolo a starting quarterback a week from Sunday.

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He knows everything...he had a meltdown when we beat him in 2006 in the rain and mud and demanded Kraft install FieldTurf. The following week Gillette Stadium had FieldTurf. Coincidentally after that game is when the Pats stopped fumbling and started dominating in poor weather games....as the stats in Integrity28's thread indicate.

The Green-Ellis stats in that thread are hysterical ...these guys have been doig this for years...conversation for another day but nobody will ever convince me that Brady should get in the HOF but Bonds and company shouldn't .
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The Green-Ellis stats in that thread are hysterical ...these guys have been doig this for years...conversation for another day but nobody will ever convince me that Brady should get in the HOF but Bonds and company shouldn't .

Yeah Green-Ellis fumbled 10 times in college, suddenly stops as a Patriot then immediately starts fumbling again as a Bengal.

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