UnitedWhofans Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Unless there's a smoking gun like an assistant coach ratting out Brady and Beluchick absolutely nothing is happening other than some bs fine. Kraft spends more on one of his escorts And the NFL's public image will go down the drain. Unfortunately, the NFL in this new age, has become more about money and ratings then about integrity and public image. At least in the old days it seemed to be more balanced and even less blatant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoubleU Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Unless there's a smoking gun like an assistant coach ratting out Brady and Beluchick absolutely nothing is happening other than some bs fine. Kraft spends more on one of his escorts And their reputation. Everybody outside of NE considers them a BS cheating team not worthy of comparison with some of the great football dynasties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The only exception has been Francessa...he's destroyed them all week just as bad as most of us posters....his coverage has been top notch . I agree with this sentiment..... It is amazing how some media folk just say it is jealous NFL fans making a stink...Like I want the Jets to win a SB by say bribing officials all year..... Hmmmmm Welll .... Hmmmmm well..Ummmmmmm Ok I had to think about it.. SMILES Just kidding.....Heheheheh Lets Go Jets..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Of course they are lying, let them take a lie detector test. there are experts who can tell when someone is lying, has someone did analysis on tapes? Yes fox news.. Guess what they were lying!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 After reading thru 7 pages of post, I think TxPat had it nailed on page 2. Some unknown Ball boy will be thrown under the bus for the good of the organization.. Exactly, just some cheating-ass 15-year old ball boy. Pats need to do a much better job in their vetting process of $8/hour employees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The bottom line is that the NFL could have easily wrapped this up last week. Conduct your investigation and report your findings by the end of the week. Done, no problem. Instead the NFL is dragging this along to try and get past the Super Bowl without reporting findings for some stupid unknown reason. Somebody said that it was a financial advantage. I don't get that at all. It's the ******* Super Bowl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The only exception has been Francessa...he's destroyed them all week just as bad as most of us posters....his coverage has been top notch . Yea his attitude towards the Jets has taken a complete 180 hasn't it? He seems to like and respect Todd Bowles unlike the way he felt about the last blowhard we had as a head coach. Face it guys, Rex's schtick got really old really fast, Francesa wasn't alone in his sentiment towards the downright empty baseless bluster and co-ckiness and especially the silly yearly predictions. The new guy is the antithesis to the Ryan way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugg Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Phil Simms and Troy Aikman are both shouting that this is a disaster. Not sure if Goodell graspshow awful this is getting. CULTURE OF CHEATING http://nypost.com/2015/01/23/former-nfl-gm-questions-patriots-culture-of-cheating/ That the Rams were convinced that the Pats taped their practice, but this is new. ANd not surprising. Not a day has gone by in the nearly 11 years since Carolina lost a nail-biter to New England in Super Bowl XXXVIII that former Panthers general manager Marty Hurney hasn’t questioned whether the Patriots were cheating. Those questions have turned to anger after Deflategate, with Hurney admitting it “really pulls up some pretty big scabs.’’ The Patriots barely escaped with a 32-29 Super Bowl win over the Panthers on Feb. 1, 2004. And now, Hurney — who hosts a weekday talk show on ESPN 730 in Charlotte, N.C., and is an ESPN NFL Insider — is seething. The NFL is investigating how each of the dozen footballs used by New England in Sunday’s 45-7 rout of Indianapolis in Sunday’s AFC Championship Game were significantly underinflated and not up to league specifications. But Hurney’s ire isn’t just about deflated balls, or spying, but about rampant — and repeated — cheating. “To me this isn’t about ‘Deflategate.’ This isn’t about anything having to do about any particular game last week. And it certainly isn’t fodder to get by the first week before the Super Bowl,’’ Hurney said Thursday on the show. “This is about a culture. Is there a culture of cheating at probably what most people look at as the best franchise in the National Football League? “There are people who swear to me that the Patriots taped our practice down in Houston during Super Bowl week. I can’t prove it. I don’t know. And I hate talking like this because I feel like a bad loser, but it just gnaws at you and this latest incident brings it back up.” “You go to ‘Spygate’ after our Super Bowl and things came out about a rumor about a video guy, and he had tapes and he goes to Hawaii and kind of disappears. … These are all rumors and I can’t substantiate any of this. But it gnaws at you.” MoNow, Hurney is wondering if Bill Belichick, Tom Brady and company cheated that day, cheated again by deflating balls for the AFC Championship Game win and cheated on how many days in between. “There isn’t a day that goes by since [that Super Bowl] that I haven’t questioned … that there were some things done that might have been beyond the rules that may have given them a three-point advantage,’’ Hurney said. “This isn’t about deflating balls. … It’s an issue of if there is a culture of cheating at the organization that most people look at as the gold standard in this league. Is there a culture of cheating and breaking the rules? “And I can’t prove anything, and that’s why I’m very angry. And the anger has come back over the last couple of days that commissioner Roger Goodell decided to shred all of the evidence after Spygate, because I think there were a lot of things in there that would bring closure to a lot of people.’’ For his part, Hurney made no alibis for the Panthers’ own faux pas during that 2003 season. Several Panthers reportedly bought steroids from a South Carolina physician, including three of the five starters on the offensive line. “That was wrong,” Hurney said. “The organization didn’t know anything about it, and we took steps and we addressed that. We weren’t going to put up with that. [Panthers owner] Jerry Richardson wasn’t going to put up with that. To me, this isn’t about deflating balls; it’s about a continuing culture of alleged cheating. “And to me, everybody’s talking about Bill Belichick and Tom Brady. When is Robert Kraft going to come up and explain why, if they are found guilty of this, why do these things keep happening in this organization?” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolot Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Phil Simms and Troy Aikman….just a couple more jealous Jet fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets1958 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Unfortunately had to listen to wfan and espn radio and I'm seeing everyone in the media has gotten the memo: 1. Belichick knew NOTHING 2. NFL head coaches have nothing to do with inflating balls 3. Brady might know something. 4. We have no evidence Pathetic. I thought the media that covered actual news was terrible, the sports media is worse The problem is #4 mostly - but modified. There is no direct evidence. Everything is circumstantial and the main players are denying everything. It reminds me of my days as a middle school principal. Johnny and Frankie are caught with the goods in both their lockers. "I don't know how it got there." "I don't know anything about it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets1958 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Exactly, just some cheating-ass 15-year old ball boy. Pats need to do a much better job in their vetting process of $8/hour employees. Ah ha! It's good to see that you jettisoned your temperature difference across the field theory and now gone to the stupid 15 year old ball boy theory - makes a little more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Exactly, just some cheating-ass 15-year old ball boy. Pats need to do a much better job in their vetting process of $8/hour employees. Some of them might be in their 50s. I see a guy from my high school occasionally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 There are 3. They are older guys who constantly have "it was better in the old days" conversations, whine constantly about the media (unless its something they choose to believe, then it's 'BUT IT WAS ON THE TV!' ) and bitch about anything technological while anyone under 45 rolls their eyes. Selling 1 anchor a month leaves a lot of time for office shenanigans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Selling 1 anchor a month leaves a lot of time for office shenanigans. LMAO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 No, it doesn't. NE did something to lose that game during the game. So? It's okay to cancel the game at halftime and screw a stadium full of fans and tv advertisers because the team deserved to forfeit … BUT … it's NOT okay to disqualify the team from the SB (two weeks in advance) and disappoint some fans when the team deserved to be disqualified? It's the same thing, only the advertisers get screwed by your solution and not mine because they'll keep their spots for the SB regardless of who plays. 1. That doesn't mean anything. You are making an assumption about the percentage of people who acquired tickets and booked rooms having no financial interest in flipping them. In fact, it is very common. Superbowl tickets are huge moneymakers. You're making an assumption that it doesn't mean anything. I know SB tickets are hot items in high demand. That's why disgruntled Pats fans can easily unload their tix in two weeks time, like I said earlier. 2. There is a provision in the CBA for causing someone to forfeit the game if the ref and/or commissioner determine cheating is involved. That doesn't mean they'll make a snap judgment during a 12-minute halftime break and end the game without a proper investigation, especially an AFCCG. You're being unrealistic. And the ad space for a championship game is a minuscule fraction of superbowl ad space. Huh? The price difference between ad space for a CCG and SB is irrelevant. The fact that advertisers aren't getting what they paid for is if you cancel a game at halftime. But that is a risk that those companies took on when they paid for the space. Not so with people who bought tickets or ad space AFTER the winning/losing teams had been announced, only to have the league yank the rug out from under them after money has changed hands among an unknown number of entities. I have no idea what this is supposed to mean. Buyers who commit early should have a risk but those who wait shouldn't? I disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The problem is #4 mostly - but modified. There is no direct evidence. Everything is circumstantial and the main players are denying everything. It reminds me of my days as a middle school principal. Johnny and Frankie are caught with the goods in both their lockers. "I don't know how it got there." "I don't know anything about it." Possession is 9/10ths of the law! Guilty as charged Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincenzo69 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 And their reputation. Everybody outside of NE considers them a BS cheating team not worthy of comparison with some of the great football dynasties. Yet they'll continue to watch the games, buy tix, jerseys and play in 5-7 fantasy leagues every year. This reminds me of the early 2000's when everyone hated the Yankees yet watched all their games and Yankees ws ratings were in the upper 20's and all road games were sold out or close to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincenzo69 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The problem is #4 mostly - but modified. There is no direct evidence. Everything is circumstantial and the main players are denying everything. It reminds me of my days as a middle school principal. Johnny and Frankie are caught with the goods in both their lockers. "I don't know how it got there." "I don't know anything about it." The nfl picks and chooses who they punish. Goodell has his inner circle of owners he is close to which is why Ray Rice got a joke 2-game suspension when it was 1000% obvious he savagely attacked his wife. Kraft will get a 30,000 fine after the Super Bowl. Kraft and Goodell are bros. you guys can scream all you want nothing is happening to the patriots and you will buy season tix, psl and be in 10 fantasy leagues next season rooting for Matt Moore or Jake Locker to go 2-14. The nfl and Goodell have 0 credibility. Josh Gordon initially received a worse suspensiôn for smoking a marijuana cigarette than Ray Rice and Adrian Peterson got for attacking woman and children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets1958 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 http://www.wsj.com/articles/patriots-always-keep-a-tight-grip-on-the-ball-1422054846 Patriots Always Keep a Tight Grip on the Ball Since 2010, New England Has the Lowest Fumble Rate in the NFL With the Deflategate scandal rocking the sports world, WSJ reporter Geoff Foster performs a quasi-scientific experiment to see who is to blame. By MICHAEL SALFINO at the Wall Street Journal Updated Jan. 24, 2015 9:13 a.m. ET One of the many questions surrounding “Deflategate”—the controversy that has engulfed the New England Patriots—concerns what advantage an NFL team would gain from using a deflated football. Numerous players have said a softer ball is easier to grip, and a ball that’s easier to grip is harder to drop New England coach Bill Belichick and quarterback Tom Brady both denied ever purposely using footballs that were inflated below the NFL minimum. But on the basis of the allegations, the Count looked at the fumble rate of the Patriots compared with the rest of the league. New England has had an uncanny ability to hold on to the football for quite some time. According to data compiled by Warren Sharp of Sharp Football Analysis, the Patriots fumble far less than any other team that plays outdoors, where the elements can make the football harder to handle. Beginning in the 2010 season, Patriots players have fumbled (whether lost or recovered) once every 73 touches from scrimmage, which is 52% better than the league average. The next best team is the Ravens, who have fumbled once every 55 touches. Additionally, according to Stats, LLC, the six players who have played extensively for the Patriots and other teams in this span all fumbled far less frequently wearing the New England uniform. Including recovered fumbles, Danny Amendola, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Danny Woodhead, Wes Welker, Brandon LaFell and LeGarrette Blount have lost the ball eight times in 1,482 touches for the Patriots since 2010, or once every 185.3 times. For their other teams, they fumbled 22 times in 1,701 touches (once every 77.3). The Patriots didn’t return a request for comment.Of course, Belichick is strict disciplinarian when it comes to holding on the football, frequently benching running backs who dare toput the ball on the ground. But other NFL head coaches aren’t exactly cavalier about the practice. And it’s not only ball carriers who can potentially benefit. Quarterbacks are frequent fumblers when sacked. But while the average passer fumbles once every 7.3 sacks, Brady’s rate is once every 9.1, an improvement of nearly 25%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 how much direct evidence did goodell need to suspend payton for bounty-gate ? anyone remember ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets1958 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 http://www.wsj.com/articles/patriots-always-keep-a-tight-grip-on-the-ball-1422054846 Patriots Always Keep a Tight Grip on the Ball Since 2010, New England Has the Lowest Fumble Rate in the NFL With the Deflategate scandal rocking the sports world, WSJ reporter Geoff Foster performs a quasi-scientific experiment to see who is to blame. By MICHAEL SALFINO at the Wall Street Journal Updated Jan. 24, 2015 9:13 a.m. ET One of the many questions surrounding “Deflategate”—the controversy that has engulfed the New England Patriots—concerns what advantage an NFL team would gain from using a deflated football. Numerous players have said a softer ball is easier to grip, and a ball that’s easier to grip is harder to drop New England coach Bill Belichick and quarterback Tom Brady both denied ever purposely using footballs that were inflated below the NFL minimum. But on the basis of the allegations, the Count looked at the fumble rate of the Patriots compared with the rest of the league. New England has had an uncanny ability to hold on to the football for quite some time. According to data compiled by Warren Sharp of Sharp Football Analysis, the Patriots fumble far less than any other team that plays outdoors, where the elements can make the football harder to handle. Beginning in the 2010 season, Patriots players have fumbled (whether lost or recovered) once every 73 touches from scrimmage, which is 52% better than the league average. The next best team is the Ravens, who have fumbled once every 55 touches. Additionally, according to Stats, LLC, the six players who have played extensively for the Patriots and other teams in this span all fumbled far less frequently wearing the New England uniform. Including recovered fumbles, Danny Amendola, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Danny Woodhead, Wes Welker, Brandon LaFell and LeGarrette Blount have lost the ball eight times in 1,482 touches for the Patriots since 2010, or once every 185.3 times. For their other teams, they fumbled 22 times in 1,701 touches (once every 77.3). The Patriots didn’t return a request for comment.Of course, Belichick is strict disciplinarian when it comes to holding on the football, frequently benching running backs who dare toput the ball on the ground. But other NFL head coaches aren’t exactly cavalier about the practice. And it’s not only ball carriers who can potentially benefit. Quarterbacks are frequent fumblers when sacked. But while the average passer fumbles once every 7.3 sacks, Brady’s rate is once every 9.1, an improvement of nearly 25%. Hey TX how do you explain the amazing stats? The iron will of Bellichet making his players fear the fumble almost twice as much as the average pro? Maybe it has something to do with the temp on the field at Gillette? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 how much direct evidence did goodell need to suspend payton for bounty-gate ? anyone remember ? Didn't Vilma admit to something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Hey TX how do you explain the amazing stats? The iron will of Bellichet making his players fear the fumble almost twice as much as the average pro? Maybe it has something to do with the temp on the field at Gillette? Well coached football teams know the importance of ball security. Another great job by BB and his staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetrider Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Well coached football teams know the importance of deflated ball security. Another cheat job by BB and his staff. Fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Didn't Vilma admit to something? The league knows that the balls were tampered with between the time they inspected them and halftime. They don't need to know exactly how or when with a smoking gun of video tape to punish the Pats. Science doesn't explain how one team's football's deflated while the other team's didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaJet Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 http://www.wsj.com/articles/patriots-always-keep-a-tight-grip-on-the-ball-1422054846 Patriots Always Keep a Tight Grip on the Ball Since 2010, New England Has the Lowest Fumble Rate in the NFL With the Deflategate scandal rocking the sports world, WSJ reporter Geoff Foster performs a quasi-scientific experiment to see who is to blame. By MICHAEL SALFINO at the Wall Street Journal Updated Jan. 24, 2015 9:13 a.m. ET One of the many questions surrounding “Deflategate”—the controversy that has engulfed the New England Patriots—concerns what advantage an NFL team would gain from using a deflated football. Numerous players have said a softer ball is easier to grip, and a ball that’s easier to grip is harder to drop New England coach Bill Belichick and quarterback Tom Brady both denied ever purposely using footballs that were inflated below the NFL minimum. But on the basis of the allegations, the Count looked at the fumble rate of the Patriots compared with the rest of the league. New England has had an uncanny ability to hold on to the football for quite some time. According to data compiled by Warren Sharp of Sharp Football Analysis, the Patriots fumble far less than any other team that plays outdoors, where the elements can make the football harder to handle. Beginning in the 2010 season, Patriots players have fumbled (whether lost or recovered) once every 73 touches from scrimmage, which is 52% better than the league average. The next best team is the Ravens, who have fumbled once every 55 touches. Additionally, according to Stats, LLC, the six players who have played extensively for the Patriots and other teams in this span all fumbled far less frequently wearing the New England uniform. Including recovered fumbles, Danny Amendola, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Danny Woodhead, Wes Welker, Brandon LaFell and LeGarrette Blount have lost the ball eight times in 1,482 touches for the Patriots since 2010, or once every 185.3 times. For their other teams, they fumbled 22 times in 1,701 touches (once every 77.3). The Patriots didn’t return a request for comment.Of course, Belichick is strict disciplinarian when it comes to holding on the football, frequently benching running backs who dare toput the ball on the ground. But other NFL head coaches aren’t exactly cavalier about the practice. And it’s not only ball carriers who can potentially benefit. Quarterbacks are frequent fumblers when sacked. But while the average passer fumbles once every 7.3 sacks, Brady’s rate is once every 9.1, an improvement of nearly 25%. Wow, It makes a huge difference when you cheat and alter the balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaJet Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Green- Ellis had 0 fumbles in 4 years with the Pats, already has 5 fumbles in 2 years with the Bengals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets1958 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Well coached football teams know the importance of ball security. Another great job by BB and his staff. You should take a course in stats sometime. The Patriots fumble percentage is an outlier. They are caused by either error or fraud usually. "Outliers can have many causes. A physical apparatus for taking measurements may have suffered a transient malfunction. There may have been an error in data transmission or transcription. Outliers arise due to changes in system behaviour, fraudulent behaviour, human error, instrument error or simply through natural deviations in populations." But you argument of superior coaching is bogus. The stat is too far above the norm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Didn't Vilma admit to something? c'mon atticus, you can do better than that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Green- Ellis had 0 fumbles in 4 years with the Pats, already has 5 fumbles in 2 years with the Bengals. Blatant lack of coaching. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 You should take a course in stats sometime. The Patriots fumble percentage is an outlier. They are caused by either error or fraud usually. "Outliers can have many causes. A physical apparatus for taking measurements may have suffered a transient malfunction. There may have been an error in data transmission or transcription. Outliers arise due to changes in system behaviour, fraudulent behaviour, human error, instrument error or simply through natural deviations in populations." But you argument of superior coaching is bogus. The stat is too far above the norm. What about magic? I'm just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Well coached football teams know the importance of ball security. Another great job by BB and his staff. Oh, you're still at it, eh? Your trolling / posting volume since Monday has been exponentially higher than I've seen from you here on JN, or anywhere, in years. Tells me all I need to know about how damaging this has been to Pats fans, even the fake ones that have had to google who Steve Grogan is just to sound legit on the interwebz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strongman Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 The Advanced NFL Stat guys also notice a trend. Right after the 2007 rule change that allows teams to use their own balls at away games, the Patriots** fumble a lot less! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 You should take a course in stats sometime. The Patriots fumble percentage is an outlier. They are caused by either error or fraud usually. "Outliers can have many causes. A physical apparatus for taking measurements may have suffered a transient malfunction. There may have been an error in data transmission or transcription. Outliers arise due to changes in system behaviour, fraudulent behaviour, human error, instrument error or simply through natural deviations in populations." But you argument of superior coaching is bogus. The stat is too far above the norm. And the conspiracy arguments continue. Too funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets1958 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 And the conspiracy arguments continue. Too funny. Sorry just quoting the Wall Street Journal and scientific stats. Is that funny? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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