Beerfish Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Occam's Razor being what it is, I credit BB. ( as opposed to some conspiracy over 2 lbs. psi making nearly impossible to fumble a football).....MANY NFL players have stated they can't tell the diffence, while others disagreed, but all you Jets fans, who've never once felt a regulataion NFL football, say it's easy to tell) Me? I've seen plenty of fumbles, many at the worst possible time while watching the Pats play. And you notice what almost always happens to the offending player? He's taken out of the game immediately and frequently doesn't see any more game actions of several series if not games. So I'll go with the simplest answer, good coaching (and fear) and not some elaborate conspiracy is at play. We jets fans are for the most part not making statements base on personal experience but rather making them based on a legion of comments made by pro quarterbacks and coaches and such. There are two facts in this case that won't go away no matter how much deflection is issued. The balls passed inspection and 11 of 12 of the pats balls did not pass afterwards while all indy balls passed. Those two things do no jive and no matter who tries to cover for who, or who is to blame those facts cannot be ignored. If it is determined that a Pats employee tampered with them the league has to come down hard. If no one is ever caught or admits to doing it the Pats will get off scot free even though all arrows point at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Ray1 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 But I thought Kraft had Gooddell in his pocket. Yet he orchestrated this to catch them cheating at the most embarrassing time possible? Which is it Rah Rah. Seems like you're talking outta both sides of your mouth again. One thing you can be sure of, without all those losses, the jets had a pretty good season. Amiright? And as usual, you are talking out of your ass. If you don't think Kraft is taking advantage of his relationship with Goodell then you are just too stupid for words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Saw Bill Polian interviewed on Cowherd this morning... He seemed pretty sincere about his concern for the league and confident in the guy they hired to do the investigation. I'm starting to think maybe Goodell's hands are tied here and he went ahead and hired a legitimate independent investigator...Which is why Kraft's presser was a strong denial and then demanding factual proof and nothing circumstantial. Unless they get the ball boy to admit to doing it - it's all circumstantial, but incredibly strong circumstantial evidence that would likely convict someone beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal court and certainly enough in a civil court. But Kraft is going to hold the NFL to a higher standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Saw Bill Polian interviewed on Cowherd this morning... He seemed pretty sincere about his concern for the league and confident in the guy they hired to do the investigation. I'm starting to think maybe Goodell's hands are tied here and he went ahead and hired a legitimate independent investigator...Which is why Kraft's presser was a strong denial and then demanding factual proof and nothing circumstantial. Unless they get the ball boy to admit to doing it - it's all circumstantial, but incredibly strong circumstantial evidence that would likely convict someone beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal court and certainly enough in a civil court. But Kraft is going to hold the NFL to a higher standard. **** him. He and his team should be treated exactly as shabbily as Goodell treated the Saints. I hope Kraft gets syphillis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets1958 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Saw Bill Polian interviewed on Cowherd this morning... He seemed pretty sincere about his concern for the league and confident in the guy they hired to do the investigation. I'm starting to think maybe Goodell's hands are tied here and he went ahead and hired a legitimate independent investigator...Which is why Kraft's presser was a strong denial and then demanding factual proof and nothing circumstantial. Unless they get the ball boy to admit to doing it - it's all circumstantial, but incredibly strong circumstantial evidence that would likely convict someone beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal court and certainly enough in a civil court. But Kraft is going to hold the NFL to a higher standard. I didn't know there was a higher standard than criminal law? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I didn't know there was a higher standard than criminal law? I don't think he's going to get away with anymore...Just saying from his presser that's what he was going for ... So when the news comes out that they believe there's no other reasonable way this could have happened other than tampering with the balls...and the past 7 year fumble rates are statistically virtually impossible....He can call BS and stand up for "his guys" BB is getting suspended for all of next year. I now believe that's going to happen. but yes...F-him and the entire organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Occam's Razor being what it is, I credit BB. ( as opposed to some conspiracy over 2 lbs. psi making nearly impossible to fumble a football).....MANY NFL players have stated they can't tell the diffence, while others disagreed, but all you Jets fans, who've never once felt a regulataion NFL football, say it's easy to tell) Me? I've seen plenty of fumbles, many at the worst possible time while watching the Pats play. And you notice what almost always happens to the offending player? He's taken out of the game immediately and frequently doesn't see any more game actions of several series if not games. So I'll go with the simplest answer, good coaching (and fear) and not some elaborate conspiracy is at play. I'm not interested in what players say. I'm interested in numbers and stats, which are far less biased, and lie far less frequently. .So purely by benching the offending player for a few downs up to a game or two, BB has unlockd the secret of turnovers to a historic degree, so much so that the Pats are literaly off the chart of the rest of the league in this stat in recent years. It seems so obvious. Why, would you speculate, this brilliance is not echoed by the 30+ other NFL Head Coaches, who surely could emulate "see fumble, bench fumbler"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Just about every single team in the leauge benches guys that fumble a few times. This is not new to the pats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ucrenegade Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Pats suck ruined the game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I didn't know there was a higher standard than criminal law? Sure there is. "Smoking gun required" is a higher standard than "beyond a reasonable doubt." I think that is what poster is saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 The fun continues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuidoYastrzemski Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I'm not interested in what players say. I'm interested in numbers and stats, which are far less biased, and lie far less frequently. .So purely by benching the offending player for a few downs up to a game or two, BB has unlockd the secret of turnovers to a historic degree, so much so that the Pats are literaly off the chart of the rest of the league in this stat in recent years. It seems so obvious. Why, would you speculate, this brilliance is not echoed by the 30+ other NFL Head Coaches, who surely could emulate "see fumble, bench fumbler"? As surprising as the fact that 31 other NFL head Coaches haven't figured out that a mere 1 pound of psi below legal minimum so clearly and easily ( and apparently automatically) results in historic unprecedented fumbling stats. (Especially given that those same 31 coaches know that the extent the league truly cares about ball inflation is the refs taking a casual look each week and saying " yeah, they look okay." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Saw Bill Polian interviewed on Cowherd this morning... He seemed pretty sincere about his concern for the league and confident in the guy they hired to do the investigation. I'm starting to think maybe Goodell's hands are tied here and he went ahead and hired a legitimate independent investigator...Which is why Kraft's presser was a strong denial and then demanding factual proof and nothing circumstantial. Unless they get the ball boy to admit to doing it - it's all circumstantial, but incredibly strong circumstantial evidence that would likely convict someone beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal court and certainly enough in a civil court. But Kraft is going to hold the NFL to a higher standard. Good Post!! I laugh when people say it is "just circumstantial evidence". The truth is circumstantial evidence can be more persuasive direct evidence which is based upon faulty human perceptions. The classic example of circumstantial evidence is you go to sleep on a cold winters night and the sky is clear. You wake up in the morning and there is snow on the ground. What can you infer from the circumstantial evidence? Yes.... It snowed last night. You don't have to go and rule out foolishness like aliens came down took the earth out its orbit so that snow was on the ground. No we can based upon normal human experience state with assuredness that it snowed last night. In the instant case we have 24 footballs, 12 which were under the dominion and control of the Colts, which maintained the weight and integrity that the game officials said that they originally said they had in the beginning; and then we have 12 footballs in the dominion and control of the Pats which have less pressure than the officials claimed when they game them to the Pats. Period. Furthermore 11 of those balls had up to 20% less pressure then when they started. Their meteorological explanation is an absurd one considering not one of the Colts balls were impacted to show any significant deflation. In the same way the NFL doesn't have to rule out foolishness like the "weather bunny impacted the balls" all they have to show is that the balls were in the Pats control and that they are responsible for making sure that they are playing with legally required balls. And all the Pats subterfuge to the contrary doesn't change this reality.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 dup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelticwizard Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Neil deGrasse TysonVerified account@neiltyson For the Patriots to blame a change in temperature for 15% lower-pressures, requires balls to be inflated with 125-degree air. Tell you what, science teachers should be having a ball this week Bill Nye and Neil deGrasse Tyson united is pretty much the death blow to the evil, cheating, Patriots. Belichick: He blindsided me with science! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Wait a second, for the entire week Jets fans have been clamoring that this is not a court of law and Goodell can do anything he wants. Now you saying for all the facts to come out, the guy needs to be served a subpena and testify under oath??????? Ooooooobviously yoooooouuuu didn't go to laaaaaawwww school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcJet Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 90 seconds is not a lot of time. No way he washed his hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 The classic example of circumstantial evidence is you go to sleep on a cold winters night and the sky is clear. You wake up in the morning and there is snow on the ground. What can you infer from the circumstantial evidence? Yes.... It snowed last night. How do you know your neighbor did not go out and hire a snow-making company to cover your yard? That assumption creates reasonable doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 That assumption creates reasonable doubt. Ooooooobviously yoooooouuuu didn't go to laaaaaawwww school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Saw Bill Polian interviewed on Cowherd this morning... He seemed pretty sincere about his concern for the league and confident in the guy they hired to do the investigation. I'm starting to think maybe Goodell's hands are tied here and he went ahead and hired a legitimate independent investigator...Which is why Kraft's presser was a strong denial and then demanding factual proof and nothing circumstantial. Unless they get the ball boy to admit to doing it - it's all circumstantial, but incredibly strong circumstantial evidence that would likely convict someone beyond a reasonable doubt in a criminal court and certainly enough in a civil court. But Kraft is going to hold the NFL to a higher standard. Wells is the same bozo who out the report together because Martin was teased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Cant wait to see fumble stats in 2015? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Ray1 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 As surprising as the fact that 31 other NFL head Coaches haven't figured out that a mere 1 pound of psi below legal minimum so clearly and easily ( and apparently automatically) results in historic unprecedented fumbling stats. (Especially given that those same 31 coaches know that the extent the league truly cares about ball inflation is the refs taking a casual look each week and saying " yeah, they look okay." LOL Denial: The N.F.L. confirmed the investigation on Monday morning, but Pats fans, in no mood to be pushed from the afterglow of their team’s big win, were quick to point out holes in the allegations. Couldn’t the balls have lost air naturally because of the cold? Didn’t the referees inspect all the footballs before the game? And who could have let the air out—Was the head coach Bill Belichick hiding a pump needle in the pocket of his hoodie? The Pats won by thirty-eight points; the pressure inside the football didn’t stop the Colts players from making tackles. None of the TV talking heads seemed to think it was a big deal. Even Kravitz, the Colts reporter, said that it wasn’t the reason the Pats had won. On Monday, Belichick said that he hadn’t heard anything from the league; Tom Brady laughed off the charges during a radio-show appearance; and the tight end Rob Gronkowski tweeted a photo showing him spiking the ball, his explanation for why a ball might have lost air—“Whoops lol,” he wrote. It all seemed like a joke. But, as Elisabeth Kübler-Ross wrote, “Denial helps us to pace our feelings of grief. There is a grace in denial. It is nature’s way of letting in only as much as we can handle.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincenzo69 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Belichick: He blindsided me with science! Bill Nye and Neil DeGrasse Tyson are obviously Jets fans with wacky conspiracy theories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincenzo69 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Cant wait to see fumble stats in 2015? I think the bigger indicator will be if scrubs like Edelman and Vereen will continue to consistently catch those low to the ground throws on crossing routes that are Brady's bread and butter the last 7-8 years of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I think the bigger indicator will be if scrubs like Edelman and Vereen will continue to consistently catch those low to the ground throws on crossing routes that are Brady's bread and butter the last 7-8 years of his career. More drops for sure, I hope SB PSI is set at 13.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 More drops for sure, I hope SB PSI is set at 13.5 That's how the Giants cheated in the Pats last Super Bowl. In the Pats critical last drive, they snuck in a 13.5 PSI ball and Welker dropped the pass from Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincenzo69 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 That's how the Giants cheated in the Pats last Super Bowl. In the Pats critical last drive, they snuck in a 13.5 PSI ball and Welker dropped the pass from Brady. #Deflectgate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 That's how the Giants cheated in the Pats last Super Bowl. In the Pats critical last drive, they snuck in a 13.5 PSI ball and Welker dropped the pass from Brady. 13.5 is legal bub Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 That's how the Giants cheated in the Pats last Super Bowl. In the Pats critical last drive, they snuck in a 13.5 PSI ball and Welker dropped the pass from Brady. It doesn't count as a drop if the pass soars over the receiver's head. That one was on Brady, not Welker. Pats fans can delude themselves into believing anything in spite of what their eyes show them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincenzo69 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 It doesn't count as a drop if the pass soars over the receiver's head. That one was on Brady, not Welker. Pats fans can delude themselves into believing anything in spite of what their eyes show them. Welker dropped the pass from Brady because he choked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 It doesn't count as a drop if the pass soars over the receiver's head. That one was on Brady, not Welker. Pats fans can delude themselves into believing anything in spite of what their eyes show them. Welker makes that catch 99 times out of 100. He got both hands on the ball but didn't make the catch. He choked in a clutch moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronx Jet Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Legion of Boom is gonna embarrass them on Sunday. And then It will happen again when the truth comes out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincenzo69 Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 Welker makes that catch 99 times out of 100. He got both hands on the ball but didn't make the catch. He choked in a clutch moment. If the ball was the flat tire like what the Pats normally play with Welker makes the catch and the Pats win the Super Bowl. Darnit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
floridajet Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 The only reasonable doubt here is the patriots don't lie and cheat. The NFL will do very little if anything to cheaters. Thus adding another chapter of white washing the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted January 28, 2015 Share Posted January 28, 2015 How do you know your neighbor did not go out and hire a snow-making company to cover your yard? That assumption creates reasonable doubt. Ok wise guy... In truth and you know I mean this... I feel badly for Pats fans. Who wants to debate this crap if this were my team? I wouldn't. The allegation itself is sickening and any Pats fan of over 25 years knows this hurts some....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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