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Wednesday, Jan 28, 2015
 
Deflate Gate: Crime and Punishment
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    Ron Hart is a syndicated columnist and humorist.
January 27, 2015|12:29 pm
 

For those late to "Deflate-gate," let me save you some time: Tom Brady or Patriots coach Bill Belichick did it. They either knew or willfully looked the other way as the underlings they instructed let two pound of pressure out of their footballs. This makes it easier to throw and catch footballs and to avoid fumbles.

 

The NFL and Roger Goodell said they did not know or see anything. It's as if the balls were deflated in an Atlantic City casino elevator. Patriots owner Robert Kraft pointed to Belichick. Belichick pointed to Brady. Brady pointed to the ball boy. Obama instinctively blamed Bush.

 

Most likely, New England has been doing this for years. Since 2010, the Patriots have lost fewer fumbles per play, by 35%, than any non-domed team. Any statistician will tell you that is impossible. The league average is one fumble per 48 plays; in frigid New England, the Patriots fumble once every 73 plays. They got caught in past seasons when defensive backs intercepted Brady and kept the balls for a memento.

 

Tom Brady is a heart throb, luring many women to watch the Patriots. He married a super-model (which is like marrying two regular models), Gisele Bundchen. Sadly, we live in a society that expects this of a quarterback with movie star good looks, so he had no choice. Brady is so gorgeous that he does not have to read linebackers at the line of scrimmage; he just weakens their knees with his dreamy, blue-eyed gaze. His rock-hard abs and taut body force defensive ends to confront their own sexuality before tackling him. Michael Sams was released from the Rams because he could not resist the desire to cuddle with Brady after sacking him.Brady is known for throwing up a Hail Mary pass and seeing who comes down with it. It's also his philosophy on contraception.

 

So what should be the punishment? Fearing further risk to its reputation, the NFL will not do much. The League is like the government; it never punishes its own, bows to unions and cowers in the face of tough decisions. A committee will be formed to "look into it," which means it will stall. The NFL formed a committee to "look into" Ray Rice, Ray Lewis, etc. Its committees still have not reported on Ray Nitschke's purported use of performance enhancing grimaces when he played for the 1968 Packers.

 

Then how does society penalize Tom Brady, et. al. for cheating? Our government has laws, rules, regulations, prosecutors, jails, judges, appeals, etc. It reminds us it is always just. Yet the quickest and most punitive way we get justice in America is via the pocketbook and corporate America, run by those "immoral, greedy capitalists" as liberals would have you believe. Free market capitalism metes out economic justice. Tom Brady, whose reputation was already sullied by past scandals, does few endorsements. Now, Brady will get even fewer endorsements from America's corporations. My best guess of the present cost to Brady in lost endorsement revenues from being dubbed a cheater: $35 million. Class act Peyton Manning does ten times the commercials. The 18-34 year old male demographic loves Peyton so much it makes Rick Santorum uncomfortable.If you do not think this is true, check post-baseball endorsement deals for sluggers Barry Bonds, Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire. Pete Rose has baseball's most hits of all time, 4,256, but can't get a job as a greeter at an Indian casino. The best example is Tiger Woods. He was the #1 golfer in the world, with hundreds of millions in endorsement deals until he sped out of his driveway fleeing from his wife, hit a tree with his car, and twenty bimbos fell out. His endorsement deals evaporated and now he can't play dead in a Western.

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Just so you know I blame him more than the Cheatriots.  I really don;t think Kraft and Bellicheat could help themselves.  Guys are scumbags.  Goodell is supposed to police the league.  He polices 92%, the part not named New England.  We need Steven Seagal to come in and kick some"Above the Law" type ass.   "STEVEN SEAGAL FOR NFL COMMISSIONER!!!!"

 

Whats wrong Olllie?

 

Did Goodell raise concession prices?

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If this is really the way they're going to get out of this and actually have NFL referee's change their story a week and half later (probably because no other excuse was taken seriously) I am honestly done with the NFL....

 

It's a game I've loved my entire life but I just couldn't watch any game ever again and believe the outcome to be legitimate...It would be a pointless endeavor to waste my time. 

 

The more I think about it the more I like the idea anyway - gets me away from the weekly stress of Jet games, saves money on tickets, will make my wife happier and no more going to work hungover every Monday (or exhausted Tuesday mornings from staying up so late on another NFL money grab)

 

Who knows at this point. The NFL has done a brilliant  job muddying the waters in order to protect to their bottom line ($$$$$$$) which in really all they care about.

 

I have no doubt that the Pats did something to those balls and probably have been for a while . They can throw all the atmospheric conditions stories or rouge ball boy stories or the backup ref crew didn't do their job out there I am not buying it.

 

The interesting thing is will Goodell go after the Pats the same way he would go after say a Marshawn Lynch now that he has been basically called out by the Pats to go and prove it.

 

If he doesn't and grovels back to the Pats then there is no integrity left in this game

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If this is true then WTF!

 

BOSTON — Referees approved the footballs used by the New England Patriots in the AFC Championship game, even though they were under the NFL’s allowable PSI prior to the game, CBS Boston reports.

According to CBS Boston, sources said referees approved 12 game footballs prior to the game, and the under inflated footballs were perhaps not inspected properly.

From CBS Boston reporter:

One thing that has been reported this last week, as we’ve been learning about how footballs are treated before a game is that before every game, a referee measured with a pressure gauge each football to see if the pressure in each one is between 12.5 and 13.5 PSI.

But that apparently isn’t always the case. As a matter of fact, from what I’ve been told, many times the refs don’t test the pressure of each ball with a gauge at all. Sometimes refs hold the ball, squeeze it, briefly inspect it, then sign off on it. Next ball. It’s never been a problem before. This is apparently a well known fact in the NFL.

 Now according to my sources, The Patriots turned in their footballs to the ref at a pressure just below the allowable PSI.

If it’s a situation where the refs DID use a gauge, the refs would see the balls were under inflated, and inflate them to the proper size. But in this case, the balls were approved and given back to the Patriots under-inflated.

Thus, the under-inflated balls. The Patriots, according to my sources, played with league approved deflated balls.

 

This is just the latest turn in the bizarre saga of Deflate-gate.

On Monday, the NFL reportedly interviewed a locker-room attendant who may have had contact with the footballs after they were handled by the refs.

 

http://q13fox.com/2015/01/27/report-under-inflated-balls-were-approved-by-refs-prior-to-afc-championship-game/

 

 

But it has been reported that the balls were going to be tested at halftime due to the NFL being tipped off about under inflation. So even if refs do not ordinarily check pressure before the game, you can be damn sure they tested it this time.

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The last thing I will ever have to say on this subject is this : I DO NOT FRICKING CARE!!!! I'm not watching this game anywaySo I could care less with what happens to the punishment that won't be meted out, nor do I care if the Patriots win their zillionth Lombardi because I AIN'T WATCHING ANYWAY. I DO hope though that the Pats dirty play comes back to smack them in their arrogant mouths and maybe even ends up manifesting itself in a nice Vinny-type end of the season ghost pulling the ankle job that happened to VT and also to the last AFC QB nemesis that we all hated like poison; Dan Marino. I'd kind of like to see that happen to this scumbag and to this scumbag coach and his scumbag boss who owns the team and the one who used top overcharge me for my replacement razors.

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ill Belichick admittedly isn't a scientist, so an independent investigator hired by the NFL reportedly has attempted to contact someone who actually is in its attempt to get to the bottom of Deflategate.

According to The New York Times, the team investigating why balls used by the New England Patriots in their AFC Championship Game win were underinflated has asked the physics department at Columbia University in New York for help learning how weather conditions can affect ball pressure.

The Times, in a story published Tuesday that cited notes from an administrative manager, reported that a partner at the law firm of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton and Garrison made the call to the physics department Monday. Ted Wells, who along with NFL executive vice president Jeff Pash is leading the investigation, is co-chair of the litigation department at the law firm.

"He would like to consult with a physicist on matters relating to gas physics," the notes said, according to the newspaper, referring to the partner, Lorin L. Reisner, who initiated the contact with the Ivy League university.

Records obtained by the Times showed that Reisner also emailed Columbia's physics department.

"Just to confirm our call, we represent the N.F.L. in connection with the investigation into the footballs used during the A.F.C. championship game and would like to discuss engaging a professor of physics to consult on matters relating to gas physics and environmental impacts on inflated footballs," Reisner said. "Please let me know whether there is a Columbia professor who may be interested in and appropriate for this assignment."

Owner Robert Kraft, quarterback Tom Brady and Belichick are among those on the Patriots who adamantly have denied that the team altered the air pressure in footballs prior to its AFC title game win.

 

 

holy crap

 

they are going to stretch this out to St pattys day

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ill Belichick admittedly isn't a scientist, so an independent investigator hired by the NFL reportedly has attempted to contact someone who actually is in its attempt to get to the bottom of Deflategate.

According to The New York Times, the team investigating why balls used by the New England Patriots in their AFC Championship Game win were underinflated has asked the physics department at Columbia University in New York for help learning how weather conditions can affect ball pressure.

The Times, in a story published Tuesday that cited notes from an administrative manager, reported that a partner at the law firm of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton and Garrison made the call to the physics department Monday. Ted Wells, who along with NFL executive vice president Jeff Pash is leading the investigation, is co-chair of the litigation department at the law firm.

"He would like to consult with a physicist on matters relating to gas physics," the notes said, according to the newspaper, referring to the partner, Lorin L. Reisner, who initiated the contact with the Ivy League university.

Records obtained by the Times showed that Reisner also emailed Columbia's physics department.

"Just to confirm our call, we represent the N.F.L. in connection with the investigation into the footballs used during the A.F.C. championship game and would like to discuss engaging a professor of physics to consult on matters relating to gas physics and environmental impacts on inflated footballs," Reisner said. "Please let me know whether there is a Columbia professor who may be interested in and appropriate for this assignment."

Owner Robert Kraft, quarterback Tom Brady and Belichick are among those on the Patriots who adamantly have denied that the team altered the air pressure in footballs prior to its AFC title game win.

 

 

holy crap

 

they are going to stretch this out to St pattys day

 

 

the NFL has these PSI rules but is paying Paul Weis whatever astronomical rate they bill out to figure out how weather effects a football. Is this real life?

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ill Belichick admittedly isn't a scientist, so an independent investigator hired by the NFL reportedly has attempted to contact someone who actually is in its attempt to get to the bottom of Deflategate.

According to The New York Times, the team investigating why balls used by the New England Patriots in their AFC Championship Game win were underinflated has asked the physics department at Columbia University in New York for help learning how weather conditions can affect ball pressure.

The Times, in a story published Tuesday that cited notes from an administrative manager, reported that a partner at the law firm of Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton and Garrison made the call to the physics department Monday. Ted Wells, who along with NFL executive vice president Jeff Pash is leading the investigation, is co-chair of the litigation department at the law firm.

"He would like to consult with a physicist on matters relating to gas physics," the notes said, according to the newspaper, referring to the partner, Lorin L. Reisner, who initiated the contact with the Ivy League university.

Records obtained by the Times showed that Reisner also emailed Columbia's physics department.

"Just to confirm our call, we represent the N.F.L. in connection with the investigation into the footballs used during the A.F.C. championship game and would like to discuss engaging a professor of physics to consult on matters relating to gas physics and environmental impacts on inflated footballs," Reisner said. "Please let me know whether there is a Columbia professor who may be interested in and appropriate for this assignment."

Owner Robert Kraft, quarterback Tom Brady and Belichick are among those on the Patriots who adamantly have denied that the team altered the air pressure in footballs prior to its AFC title game win.

 

 

holy crap

 

they are going to stretch this out to St pattys day

 

 

 

LOL a better study would be about how weather can deflate one team's ball and yet do nothing to the other, in the same game at the same time. 

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the NFL has these PSI rules but is paying Paul Weis whatever astronomical rate they bill out to figure out how weather effects a football. Is this real life?

 

hey, they don't call krafty asst commissh for nuttin.  goodell is going to do everything possible to give krafty his 50 degrees and raining parachute.  I bet the law firm bills 500 hours for this plus lots of fancy meals

LOL a better study would be about how weather can deflate one team's ball and yet do nothing to the other, in the same game at the same time. 

dis they get the colts balls ?  I'm not even sure tbh

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hey, they don't call krafty asst commissh for nuttin.  goodell is going to do everything possible to give krafty his 50 degrees and raining parachute.  I bet the law firm bills 500 hours for this plus lots of fancy meals

dis they get the colts balls ?  I'm not even sure tbh

 

Have we gotten the actual PSI readings from before the start of the game and at halftime?

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A temperature can effect the pressure in the ball, but the temperature changes during that game were not enough to account for a 2 psi loss of pressure.

 

The Cheatriots either filled the game balls completely with 85 degree air, or they knowingly submitted game balls that were around 11 to 11.5 psi and the refs then approved them for the game, or someone simply let some air out after the balls were inspected.

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Have we gotten the actual PSI readings from before the start of the game and at halftime?

 

I don't think so.  the leaks so far were the past* balls were 2 psi under, the colts balls were ok.  who knows if that is accurate, and the past* said whatever mumbles said about the rubbing and the weather.  

 

it's all so weird when you consider the NFL hasn't really said anything other than they are investigating it.

 

I wonder who is leaking the info and why

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Lol, all the evidence points to Pats cheating, yet NFL will try as hard as it can to brush this issue away for as long as possible, and hope people will move on.  So this random attendant decides to lower the pressure of the balls to help out the Patriots?  How does he even know that lower psi balls are going to help out the Pats game plan?   

 

I think another indication of this being an ongoing issue with the Patriots is their downfield throwing numbers.  I listen to the Bill Simmons podcast every now and then, and he always mentions that Brady is pretty bad at throws down the field.  Well, deflated balls are harder to control throwing down the field, so maybe there is a correlation there as well.   

 

And I bet you'll see a bunch of flags on Seattle early in the game for hitting defenseless WR, holding, and PI, because the league in a bad way needs the Pats to win, so everyone can claim the "Oh it didn't really matter much" line.  

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Did you even read the article?

"So while it worked out well in the end for both Blount and the Patriots, that doesn’t mean it was planned in advance. A conspiracy theory makes for a good topic of conversation during Super Bowl week — even a conspiracy theory that doesn’t add up."

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