The Troll Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 No.. It doesn't. NE went 11-5 and missed the playoffs because the AFCE played the NFCW and AFCW that year, 2 divisions that had a single team with a winning record (9-7) among them. The fact that an extremely weak Miami team, that got exposed in their first playoff game, also went 11-5 speaks to the point I am making Even 11-5 is -5 YOY turnaround, that is terrible. The fact that it was done against a significantly easier schedule speaks volumes Belicheat wins because of Brady.. 1 playoff season in 6 years is worse then any of the last 3 Jets coaches Ok, then why do you call him Belicheat if his cheating had nothing to do with their winning? It was all Brady and his Alex Smithy goodness in the early 2000s! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 No.. It doesn't. NE went 11-5 and missed the playoffs because the AFCE played the NFCW and AFCW that year, 2 divisions that had a single team with a winning record (9-7) among them. The fact that an extremely weak Miami team, that got exposed in their first playoff game, also went 11-5 speaks to the point I am making Even 11-5 is -5 YOY turnaround, that is terrible. The fact that it was done against a significantly easier schedule speaks volumes Belicheat wins because of Brady.. 1 playoff season in 6 years is worse then any of the last 3 Jets coaches Ok, then why do you call him Belicheat if his cheating had nothing to do with their winning? It was all Brady and his Alex Smithy goondess in the early 2000's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Ok, then why do you call him Belicheat if his cheating had nothing to do with their winning?! Because Chan has a delusional agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Because Chan has a delusional agenda. Seriously, it makes zero sense. It's like he hates the Patriots, but is a close relative of Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Seriously, it makes zero sense. It's like he hates the Patriots, but is a close relative of Brady. That's OK, I have always said every poster on a message board is entitled to their own opinion, no matter how f***** up that opinion is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Ok, then why do you call him Belicheat if his cheating had nothing to do with their winning? It was all Brady and his Alex Smithy goodness in the early 2000s! You really have to ask why I am calling him Belicheat? But besdies the obvious, giving Belicheat credit for cheating only also undermines his claim of being a great coach Belicheat - (Brady + Cheating + Bevell) = Kotite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Seriously, it makes zero sense. It's like he hates the Patriots, but is a close relative of Brady. I give credit where credit is due, if Belicheat doesn't luck into Brady he's not even in the league today. He can't even coordinate defenses without LT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Matt Cassell actually went to the playoffs once he got paired with a competent coach. If there is one word that comes to mind when I think of Todd Haley, it's competence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I give credit where credit is due, if Belicheat doesn't luck into Brady he's not even in the league today. He can't even coordinate defenses without LT Yep, it was Brady's amazing game management skills and absolutely nothing else that won them those first three Super Bowls. It wasn't their defense, which ranked 6th, 1st, and 2nd in their first three Super Bowls. It was all Brady. The guy whose career high in passing yards at that point was 3,600 and who cracked a 90 rating only once. 100% that guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Yep, it was Brady's amazing game management skills and absolutely nothing else that won them those first three Super Bowls. It wasn't their defense, which ranked 6th, 1st, and 2nd in their first three Super Bowls. It was all Brady. The guy whose career high in passing yards at that point was 3,600 and who cracked a 90 rating only once. 100% that guy. 5-11 and 0-2 with Bledsore. Rex had #1 defense a few times too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 5-11 and 0-2 with Bledsore. Rex had #1 defense a few times too Rex had the number one defense once. But, I guess the fact that we made it to the AFCG was all Sanchez, according to your logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Brady crumbles like a bitch when he is hit/pressured. He wouldn't be as good as he was or have the same level of success, if he played in Graham's era. Very solid argument. Congrats for your astute football knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Rex had the number one defense once. But, I guess the fact that we made it to the AFCG was all Sanchez, according to your logic. No, according to my astute logic, Rex failed to win a SB because he had poop under center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 No, according to my astute logic, Rex failed to win a SB because he had poop under center. There's quite a big gap between "not poop" and "greatest QB of all-time". I didn't say Brady was sh*t back then. But he was a game manager and they could have won those titles with any number of "not poop" QBs. 2000: 8 GS, 1,505 yards, 12 TDs, 11 INTs 2001: 14 GS, 2,843 yards, 18 TDs, 12 INTs 2002: 16 GS, 3,049 yards, 22 TDs, 6 INTs 2003: 16 GS, 3,620 yards, 23 TDs, 12 INTs 2004: 16 GS, 3,692 yards, 28 TDs, 14 INTs 2005: 12 GS, 2,385 yards, 17 TDs, 9 INTs Those are the numbers of the Super Bowl winning QBs from Warner until Manning. Three of them are nearly universally referred to as "game managers": Dilfer, Johnson, and young Roethlisberger. The other is supposedly the GOAT. Too bad Dilfer, Johnson, or Ben couldn't have hitched their wagon to Belichick and that Patriots defense in the early 2000's. They could have been the GOAT instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimmeShelter Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 The only "Syndrome" rampant amongst Jets Fans is "Brady is Gay" Syndrome, and "Former Jets Obsession Syndrome". Both diseases that need wiped out for the betterment of mankind. I loathe Tom Brady, and the Pats. But Tom Brady IS the GOAT. And it's not as close as haters want it to be. Honesty > Hatred. Rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Joe Namath you traitor what is wrong with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Joe Namath you traitor what is wrong with you How is one of the greatest QB's ever to play the game a traitor? All he is doing is stating the obvious, Brady is the GOAT of the QB position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 How is one of the greatest QB's ever to play the game a traitor? All he is doing is stating the obvious, Brady is the GOAT of the QB position. Whatever, even if Tom Brady was really Jesus Christ I'd still say he sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Whatever, even if Tom Brady was really Jesus Christ I'd still say he sucks Nothing wrong with that, a lot of people go through their entire life as complete fools. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 How is one of the greatest QB's ever to play the game a traitor? All he is doing is stating the obvious, Brady is the GOAT of the QB position. If Brady was of a different skin color, he would be thrown out of league for his cheating,use of HGH and PED's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Nothing wrong with that, a lot of people go through their entire life as complete fools. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. Thanks <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 If Brady was of a different skin color, he would be thrown out of league for his cheating,use of HGH and PED's Another solid post from assmop. How can you even post something like that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 There's quite a big gap between "not poop" and "greatest QB of all-time". I didn't say Brady was sh*t back then. But he was a game manager and they could have won those titles with any number of "not poop" QBs. 2000: 8 GS, 1,505 yards, 12 TDs, 11 INTs 2001: 14 GS, 2,843 yards, 18 TDs, 12 INTs 2002: 16 GS, 3,049 yards, 22 TDs, 6 INTs 2003: 16 GS, 3,620 yards, 23 TDs, 12 INTs 2004: 16 GS, 3,692 yards, 28 TDs, 14 INTs 2005: 12 GS, 2,385 yards, 17 TDs, 9 INTs Those are the numbers of the Super Bowl winning QBs from Warner until Manning. Three of them are nearly universally referred to as "game managers": Dilfer, Johnson, and young Roethlisberger. The other is supposedly the GOAT. Too bad Dilfer, Johnson, or Ben couldn't have hitched their wagon to Belichick and that Patriots defense in the early 2000's. They could have been the GOAT instead. That team was heavily invested in defense and thier best WR was freaken troy freaken brown, Brady put up solid numbers with crap around him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 That team was heavily invested in defense and thier best WR was freaken troy freaken brown, Brady put up solid numbers with crap around him Brady is nothing more than a system QB. All the credit goes to BB for putting Brady in a system to excel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 That team was heavily invested in defense and thier best WR was freaken troy freaken brown, Brady put up solid numbers with crap around him Oh man, they should get that guy some weapons then. No way it will take ten years for him to win another championship if they give him the keys to the kingdom and lots of shiny weapons and stop relying on their defense to carry them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Ummm entire seahawk secondary was a Mash Unit. He throw many balls just 5 yds from LOS. Who cares what the throws were and the Seahawks still had all their starters playing. The Seahawks at 75% health were still the best defense in football last season. So lame people hating on Brady. He is greatest qb of all-time and unless the jets can get a franchise qb or at least fix the roster we aren't sniffing being competitive with New England until he retires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Oh man, they should get that guy some weapons then. No way it will take ten years for him to win another championship if they give him the keys to the kingdom and lots of shiny weapons and stop relying on their defense to carry them. I really don't understand your point. The basic facts are this. With Brady under center, Belicheat wins 80% of his games and goes to 6 SB's. Without Brady, Belicheat wins 40% of his team and makes the playoffs once in 6 years. This can not be disputed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 I really don't understand your point. The basic facts are this. With Brady under center, Belicheat wins 80% of his games and goes to 6 SB's. Without Brady, Belicheat wins 40% of his team and makes the playoffs once in 6 years. This can not be disputed. When the Patriots were winning Super Bowls in the early 2000s, they were ranked 6th, 1st, and 2nd in defense. Bill Belichick coaches defense. Just curious, how come they went 9-7 in 2002 when their defense slipped to 17th in the league? How come non-game manager Lord Brady didn't rescue them to win a sh*tty division that 10 wins would have won? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemusclyde Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Very solid argument. Congrats for your astute football knowledge. Surprised Brady sucking when pressured was this obvious to you Pats fan. Would have figured you would post one random game in which he didn't suck when he was pressured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Surprised Brady sucking when pressured was this obvious to you Pats fan. Would have figured you would post one random game in which he didn't suck when he was pressured. How about the 4th quarter against the "supposedly" best defense since the '86 Bears. The vaunted "Legend of Doom" and how they pressure QB's into oblivion? Down 10 points, Brady goes 13/15, 128 yards and 2 TD's to lead the Pats to the biggest comeback in Super Bowl history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 When the Patriots were winning Super Bowls in the early 2000s, they were ranked 6th, 1st, and 2nd in defense. Bill Belichick coaches defense. Just curious, how come they went 9-7 in 2002 when their defense slipped to 17th in the league? How come non-game manager Lord Brady didn't rescue them to win a sh*tty division that 10 wins would have won? Well, as usual high level stats only tell a portion of the story leading people to come to incorrect conclusion. In 2002, the Pats had the 6th hardest schedule in all of football, in 2008, the much ballyhooed 11 win season with MC, they had the 4th easiest. Forget records. Schedule strength is such a huge factor in season by season variances And I never said that Brady wasn't a game manager in 2001, it was his first year starting. He had a knack for making clutch plays, but that team rode a BS call (tuck rile) and cheating to win the SB, along with a significant amount of luck. If they played 2001 NE vs 2001 STL 10 times, STL probably wins 8 out of 10. None of that means anything however, if Rex had a competent QB, if Greene didn't get hurt in 2009, if Sanchez didn't hand Pitts 7 in 2010, it's quite possible Rex could have a SB win or two, but we can all agree that would not make Rex an all time great coach;. My point is simple, Belicheat isn't the mastermind he's portrayed as, he's just a guy that was extremely lucky to find a top 3 QB of all time in the 6th round, without which, he'd have worn out his welcome a long time ago in NE. Im short, I credit Brady with the sustained success up in NE 100x what I do Belicheat, and that's really it. The rest is just trying to annoy patshole fans and apparently some Jets fans who forget the way the sh*tbag stole 1M from a dying man and resigned with scribbling on a napkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 How about the 4th quarter against the "supposedly" best defense since the '86 Bears. The vaunted "Legend of Doom" and how they pressure QB's into oblivion? Down 10 points, Brady goes 13/15, 128 yards and 2 TD's to lead the Pats to the biggest comeback in Super Bowl history. Did u watch game or just look at stat sheet. Entire Hawks secondary was at 70% and they lost Lane and Avril. Unreal keep typing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 None of that means anything however, if Rex had a competent QB, if Greene didn't get hurt in 2009, if Sanchez didn't hand Pitts 7 in 2010, it's quite possible Rex could have a SB win or two. What a bunch of crap. Rex was the dumbest HC in the NFL when he was with the Jets. He couldn't win a Lombardi trophy if it fell off the stage and hit him in the head. And please stop with all the "if that, then this" excuses. They got old and boring once Gerald Ford was elected president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 Well, as usual high level stats only tell a portion of the story leading people to come to incorrect conclusion. In 2002, the Pats had the 6th hardest schedule in all of football, in 2008, the much ballyhooed 11 win season with MC, they had the 4th easiest. Forget records. Schedule strength is such a huge factor in season by season variances And I never said that Brady wasn't a game manager in 2001, it was his first year starting. He had a knack for making clutch plays, but that team rode a BS call (tuck rile) and cheating to win the SB, along with a significant amount of luck. If they played 2001 NE vs 2001 STL 10 times, STL probably wins 8 out of 10. None of that means anything however, if Rex had a competent QB, if Greene didn't get hurt in 2009, if Sanchez didn't hand Pitts 7 in 2010, it's quite possible Rex could have a SB win or two, but we can all agree that would not make Rex an all time great coach;. My point is simple, Belicheat isn't the mastermind he's portrayed as, he's just a guy that was extremely lucky to find a top 3 QB of all time in the 6th round, without which, he'd have worn out his welcome a long time ago in NE. Im short, I credit Brady with the sustained success up in NE 100x what I do Belicheat, and that's really it. The rest is just trying to annoy patshole fans and apparently some Jets fans who forget the way the sh*tbag stole 1M from a dying man and resigned with scribbling on a napkin Brady was not a top three QB in the league in the early 2000's, much less the history of the league. Blowing Brady is an interesting way to annoy Pats fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artemusclyde Posted February 17, 2015 Share Posted February 17, 2015 How about the 4th quarter against the "supposedly" best defense since the '86 Bears. The vaunted "Legend of Doom" and how they pressure QB's into oblivion? Down 10 points, Brady goes 13/15, 128 yards and 2 TD's to lead the Pats to the biggest comeback in Super Bowl history. Yup here comes the few outlier games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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