Jetlife33 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 and then trade Calvin for some Hershey bars Heck, I'd even take one bar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Getting McCourty makes too much sense; I don't see how anyone doesn't get this. And with 50 million it is not mutually exclusive from getting a cornerback or even two. We get a young veteran FS to pair with Pryor an allow him to be a more in the box SS and at the same time we weaken a division rival. What's not to like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOZ THE JET Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Reading McCourty is home sick? Wouldn't mind playing for the Jets or Giants,i like our chances wine & dine him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Reading McCourty is home sick? Wouldn't mind playing for the Jets or Giants,i like our chances wine & dine him So a grown man, who makes millions of dollars, just won a Super Bowl and lives only 4 hours from where he grew up gives the Giants/Jets some kind of advantage to sign him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOZ THE JET Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 So a grown man, who makes millions of dollars, just won a Super Bowl and lives only 4 hours from where he grew up gives the Giants/Jets some kind of advantage to sign him?yeah why not they didn't franchise tag him, he's up for grabs revis too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patman Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I totally dismiss that suggestion the sentence after to the point i probably should have back space but too lazy to do so. However not sure why a reader wouldnt pick that up as thinking out loud or totally ignoring it themselves. So i agree it would be foolish to take a discount, however I still hope he wants to play near home with things being even bewteen him and a team like the Eagles who are interested. Well we don't know if you felt foolish after writing something. There are jet posters who believe there is value in playing in playing for the largest fanbase in the sport and that players could recoup funds there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patman Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 yeah why not they didn't franchise tag him, he's up for grabs revis too. And what does the tag have to do with being homesick and then why does he live here in the offseason if he is homesick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOZ THE JET Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 And what does the tag have to do with being homesick and then why does he live here in the offseason if he is homesick?I notice y'all spend a lot of time on the jets forum, is you a Jet fan in disguise or just a troll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Heck, I'd even take one bar. with almonds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 We didn't get Bryd last year however to get McCourty would solve our need of a ball hawk safety as well as take him away from a division rival. Would he take a hometown discount to come to NJ? I doubt it but if things are equal money wise hopefully the jets get the benefit of the doubt. he is from the area,,anyone know if he grew up a Giants, Jets or eagles fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I know the entire board thinks that the free agency period is going to be a total bust if we don't sign McCorty, Iupati, Maxwell, Torrey Smith, Jerry Hughes and Spiller, but... The local papers here have the Redskins going after, in order: 1. McCorty, 2. Orlando Franklin, 3. Torrey Smith, 4. Stefan Wisniewski, and 5. Thurmond. That is just the 'skins. There are another 30 teams and they pretty much are all going to be looking at the same guys. Bowles was a secondary coach. He tried and failed with the dream team in Philly. He may prefer working with guys with less ego. I am willing to bet that they make a run at the name guys like McCorty and Maxwell, but I think when the smoke clears they will have signed one of the top tier CBs. The rest I don't expect. I certainly do not believe the are getting Maxwell or Culliver plus Cromartie and McCorty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Life Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 McCourty makes perfect sense and we have the cap space to sign a good amount of free agents. Grew up in the area too. Make it happen Macc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 McCourty + Maxwell > Revis Younger and cheaper. Agreed. Revis was good last year but he'll never be what he was in 2009 and 2010 again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 he is from the area,,anyone know if he grew up a Giants, Jets or eagles fan? Who cares? Parcel was the giants and patriots head coach I think he worked out ok for us. We need a FS that can cover somebody. We haven't had that since Kerry Rhodes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 CB >>>> Safety Yes, we need two corners. If we can get two of the top corners and McCourty I say great. And sign a relatively inexpensive ILB. Would be a great haul for the defense... tough to imagine all that happening but it's still hope time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 The example is even more ridiculous because a top safety wants top money and its too much for a team that's sitting on 60 million to spend? You should have just saved that second sentence and went with the first. I could accept that one. But there's nothing ridiculous about paying a top player at his position what his position warrants in compensation. I do agree with your position that generally the CB position is more valuable, but the conversation that I was bringing forth was based on the Jets unique situation which I explained as my reason. I didnt simply say "Your wrong. FS>>>>CB". Fair enough. I was saying in general CB is 100 times more important and it's my opinion that still applies in the Jets situation since they technically don't have a corner on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 CB >>>> Safety We need both and have cap room to sign two viable starting corners and a free safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Fair enough. I was saying in general CB is 100 times more important and it's my opinion that still applies in the Jets situation since they technically don't have a corner on the roster. And I def think your opinion is a fact, generally. However, on the Jets roster there are currently corners that we must account for such as Milliner and McDougal and Williams. Williams played very well coming off the street last year and I would have no problem keeping him as our #2 CB. McDougal could possibly play the nickel spot and Milliner could be depth at #2. I honestly dont trust when a player tears an achilles, thats just not some ACL. Point being, we do have some depth guys at minimum on our team. We have absolutely no free safeties on this team. No starter, no depth/situational....nothing. I think we could get a player for our #1 CB spot and some depth players to fill in the spots that we have elsewhere while giving the guys we currently have on the squad the opportunity to compete. There currently is no Free Safety on this team and it would be a mistake imo to ignore that for the sake of getting top CB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 And I def think your opinion is a fact, generally. However, on the Jets roster there are currently corners that we must account for such as Milliner and McDougal and Williams. Williams played very well coming off the street last year and I would have no problem keeping him as our #2 CB. McDougal could possibly play the nickel spot and Milliner could be depth at #2. I honestly dont trust when a player tears an achilles, thats just not some ACL. Point being, we do have some depth guys at minimum on our team. We have absolutely no free safeties on this team. No starter, no depth/situational....nothing. I think we could get a player for our #1 CB spot and some depth players to fill in the spots that we have elsewhere while giving the guys we currently have on the squad the opportunity to compete. There currently is no Free Safety on this team and it would be a mistake imo to ignore that for the sake of getting top CB's. Id be acting like there isn't a corner on this roster. You can't trust Milliner or McDougle, at all. I wonder if playing Allen at corner last year out of necessity if his range and coverage skills have improved that could make him a viable FS option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 There is no free safety on the roster so McCourty would be a great signing. Local guy too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 And I def think your opinion is a fact, generally. However, on the Jets roster there are currently corners that we must account for such as Milliner and McDougal and Williams. Williams played very well coming off the street last year and I would have no problem keeping him as our #2 CB. McDougal could possibly play the nickel spot and Milliner could be depth at #2. I honestly dont trust when a player tears an achilles, thats just not some ACL. Point being, we do have some depth guys at minimum on our team. We have absolutely no free safeties on this team. No starter, no depth/situational....nothing. I think we could get a player for our #1 CB spot and some depth players to fill in the spots that we have elsewhere while giving the guys we currently have on the squad the opportunity to compete. There currently is no Free Safety on this team and it would be a mistake imo to ignore that for the sake of getting top CB's. Williams as #2 CB? No thank you. I guess maybe if he keeps improving, but I rate him below Walls. He played admirably and way better than I'd expect, but I don't think he is starting in 2015. I think he will fill more of the Isaiah Trufant, Ellis Lankster role. Rex didn't seem to like to run centerfield type safeties. That is why they dumped Rhodes and Lowery. I would be interested to see how Bowles go about it, but I would not be surprised if he is similar. FWIW, Bowles took over as DC and they let Rhodes "retire" I think he will like to play Allen as a guy that can be in the box, but add a man coverage element which he seems to be suited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 And I def think your opinion is a fact, generally. However, on the Jets roster there are currently corners that we must account for such as Milliner and McDougal and Williams. Williams played very well coming off the street last year and I would have no problem keeping him as our #2 CB. McDougal could possibly play the nickel spot and Milliner could be depth at #2. I honestly dont trust when a player tears an achilles, thats just not some ACL. Point being, we do have some depth guys at minimum on our team. We have absolutely no free safeties on this team. No starter, no depth/situational....nothing. I think we could get a player for our #1 CB spot and some depth players to fill in the spots that we have elsewhere while giving the guys we currently have on the squad the opportunity to compete. There currently is no Free Safety on this team and it would be a mistake imo to ignore that for the sake of getting top CB's. Whats the deal with the Achilles injury? I've read it on this forum a few times where people said Milliner was done because of it. Is it that serious for a corner? Has there been instances in the past? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Id be acting like there isn't a corner on this roster. You can't trust Milliner or McDougle, at all. I wonder if playing Allen at corner last year out of necessity if his range and coverage skills have improved that could make him a viable FS option? I never said that you can trust them. I even went as far as using the word "possibly" when referring to them. With that said, I can't act like they're not there either. We have no Milliner or McDougal version of Free Safety's for me to even give a "possibly" to. And Antonio Allen is a SS like Pryor. you can put them in man coverage and stack them in the box. Asking Allen to zone it out and make the right decision in the outfield? Doubt it, or it would have been done already. The guy has been on the team for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Whats the deal with the Achilles injury? I've read it on this forum a few times where people said Milliner was done because of it. Is it that serious for a corner? Has there been instances in the past? Leon Hall has torn both (one in 2011, the other 2013) and came back playing fine. He made $7M last year and is owed almost $8M this year and there has been no talk of him being a cap casualty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Whats the deal with the Achilles injury? I've read it on this forum a few times where people said Milliner was done because of it. Is it that serious for a corner? Has there been instances in the past? These days you can tear an ACL and still have a career, this is why im not really concerned about Dexter McDougal's injury last year given that it was an ACL. Tearing your Achilles is bad business, especially for people who have to back pedal then have to quickly plant on that leg and push forward. The explosiveness for that "change of direction" is what Cornerbacks live by, so rupturing your achilles as a Corner is legitimately a threat to one's career. Just exerting your calf muscles minus the back pedal could cause re-rupture. If Milliner wants the chance at a lasting career he cannot rush back to the field. He needs to be 100%, especially since he's already the injury prone type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 These days you can tear an ACL and still have a career, this is why im not really concerned about Dexter McDougal's injury last year given that it was an ACL. Tearing your Achilles is bad business, especially for people who have to back pedal then have to quickly plant on that leg and push forward. The explosiveness for that "change of direction" is what Cornerbacks live by, so rupturing your achilles as a Corner is legitimately a threat to one's career. Just exerting your calf muscles minus the back pedal could cause re-rupture. If Milliner wants the chance at a last career he cannot rush back to the field. He needs to be 100%, especially since he's already the injury prone type. Leon Hall has torn both (one in 2011, the other 2013) and came back playing fine. He made $7M last year and is owed almost $8M this year and there has been no talk of him being a cap casualty Thank you both. Appreciate your opinions and information. Dominator, most knowledgeable fan here.IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Id be acting like there isn't a corner on this roster. You can't trust Milliner or McDougle, at all. I wonder if playing Allen at corner last year out of necessity if his range and coverage skills have improved that could make him a viable FS option? Allen will start at FS next season unless we sign a guy like McCourty. He's not bad but he's not really good either he's better as a backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I never said that you can trust them. I even went as far as using the word "possibly" when referring to them. With that said, I can't act like they're not there either. We have no Milliner or McDougal version of Free Safety's for me to even give a "possibly" to. And Antonio Allen is a SS like Pryor. you can put them in man coverage and stack them in the box. Asking Allen to zone it out and make the right decision in the outfield? Doubt it, or it would have been done already. The guy has been on the team for years. Well sure, its hard to picture them not here when they're on the roster but putting any faith into either players being viable options would be another Idzik like catastrophe. Bowles had great corners and safeties last year and they werent great vs. the pass. Thats a scary thought. Allen will start at FS next season unless we sign a guy like McCourty. He's not bad but he's not really good either he's better as a backup. I like what Allen brings to the table...and who knows, maybe a season of playing corner helps his range and coverage skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Well sure, its hard to picture them not here when they're on the roster but putting any faith into either players being viable options would be another Idzik like catastrophe. Bowles had great corners and safeties last year and they werent great vs. the pass. Thats a scary thought. Players are here for the purpose of contributing, which is fact. Burying them on the roster because your opinion says that they're not viable instead of allowing that to play out on the field would be Idzik-like actually. You simply dont know that. Is it possible? Sure. I'll even meet you more than half way and say that there's a slight probability in it, but you dont bury players at one position while at the same time neglecting a position that doesnt even have players to bury. That would be another Idzik-like move. Bowles did have a pretty good secondary, and they weren't great against the pass, but they were surely great against the score, which is the only stat that counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Players are here for the purpose of contributing, which is fact. Burying them on the roster because your opinion says that they're not viable instead of allowing that to play out on the field would be Idzik-like actually. You simply dont know that. Is it possible? Sure. I'll even meet you more than half way and say that there's a slight probability in it, but you dont bury players at one position while at the same time neglecting a position that doesnt even have players to bury. That would be another Idzik-like move. Bowles did have a pretty good secondary, and they weren't great against the pass, but they were surely great against the score, which is the only stat that counts. I don't even knowing what we are taking about anymore. All I know is if i were Mac, id be looking for my #1 and #2 CBs because I wouldn't bank on the bums on the roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I don't even knowing what we are taking about anymore. All I know is of I were Mac, id be looking for my #1 and #2 CBs because I wouldn't bank on the bums on the roster. I can accept this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I can accept this. Did we just become best friends? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Did we just become best friends? I love you JIF! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony The Wiz Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I'd like this move, but prefer Revis as a big money DB acquisition. Revis will make a fine safety once he loses a step.Want no part of Revis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Want no part of Revis. A fantastic tale, indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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