Schefter: Bills Trade for Shady McCoy

[Jetknowledge]

this is kinda strange. my only guess is this is a way to resign maclin. i dont think its a championship move for buffalo, but i do not like the idea of going against shady twice a year. he killed us a few years ago when we played in philly

him & chip wasnt on friendly terms for multiple reasons.

[Powpow]

What QB is taking the Bills to the Super Bowl? I must have missed that signing.

In my honest opinion, the Bills were better off keeping Kiko, resigning Spiller, and going from there. LeSean has a massive CAP number, a ton of mileage and is reportedly already incredibly unhappy. The Eagles just freed up a ton of CAP space, got an absolute STUD linebacker, and can replace McCoy in FA or the draft with a younger and cheaper player with less wear and tear.

DUH. End of argument. Kiko is the defense's QB. Kid is a special player. McCoy is a great runner but his cap number is off the charts. Kelly is smoking a big fat cigar. 

he just stole one of the best LB's in football away. 

[Powpow]

You must be if you compare lame duck Rex Ryan (Jets) who had absolutely no saying here towards the end, to the guy who currently is the face of the Bills and pretty much running the show over there. He was very involved his first 2 years here, him and Tanny ran the show. It wasn't Tanny. But you're gonna go back to lame duck Rex in his final 2-3 years when each week he was about to be fired. Of course he had no say in the end. It's not like he did a good job helping build "up" this team. Most his picks and FA pickups were just utter garbage and a waste of money. Now he's in Buffalo. If you honestly try to tell me that Rex did not ok that trade, if you're honestly trying to tell me that this was a Doug Whaley move and they basically went over Rex's head then you're just out of your mind. I don't know what else to say. Because none of it makes any sense. You don't sign such a "marquee" type HC like Rex Ryan who had other opportunities but chose the Bills instead, pay him the kind of money you do, make him the face of your franchise the way you do, and not promise him final say in terms of building that roster. You don't bring in Rex Ryan and then trade one of your best young players who happens to play ILB in Rex's defense for a RB without Rex either knowing about it or giving his ok.

Lot of words to reiterate my statement.  I strongly believe this was a Whaley move. It wreaks of him.  Whaley is not afraid to make bold moves - see Sammy Watkins where he swapped draft places and gave up 2015  #1 and a 4th to move up. Rex was never a guy to rock the boat with management. I'm sure he was consulted but as far as him conjuring up this trade is totally far fetched.  Final word goes with Whaley - this was his call.   

[DaBallhawk]

Lot of words to reiterate my statement.  I strongly believe this was a Whaley move. It wreaks of him.  Whaley is not afraid to make bold moves - see Sammy Watkins where he swapped draft places and gave up 2015  #1 and a 4th to move up. Rex was never a guy to rock the boat with management. I'm sure he was consulted but as far as him conjuring up this trade is totally far fetched.  Final word goes with Whaley - this was his call.   

 

Sure, you keep on believing that.

[Powpow]

Sure, you keep on believing that.

Ok lets try this logic...if you're Rex and still on the Jets do you trade Sheldon Richardson for McCoy straight up? HELL NO. Rex is a defensive guru. He's not giving up his D.

[DaBallhawk]

Ok lets try this logic...if you're Rex and still on the Jets do you trade Sheldon Richardson for McCoy straight up? HELL NO. Rex is a defensive guru. He's not giving up his D.

 

That's a silly comparison that doesn't even make sense on any level. Apples and oranges.

 

First of all Rex drafted Richardson. He has no ties to Kiko.

Secondly trade him for what? What's the point? Just trade him out of principle?

Thirdly he didn't inherit this roster. He built it. That's not the case with Buffalo. He's inheriting a roster over there that he didn't build.

Fourthly Kiko was injured last year. Last time I checked Sheldon made the Pro Bowl.

Fifthly since Kiko didn't even play last year, they don't lose anything on defense. They did great without him. Now they get something of value in return, a playmaker on offense. Without weakening their defense.

 

And lastly don't act like he gives up his favorite defensive player that creates a huge hole in his beloved defense. That's just not the case. Again, Kiko didn't play last year, the Bills did great. Rex didn't draft him either. They don't lose anything. In fact, they'll now go after David Harris and in the end (at least in Rex's mind) it's a win win for Buffalo. Rex has one of his favorite guys back to play ILB and they have an additional weapon on offense. All he had to give up was a guy that didn't play last year, a guy the Bills did great without, a guy that he didn't bring in. That's the way I see it. Maybe if Harris joins the Bills you'll agree. I guess until then you'll stick to your idea of how Rex has no say over there.

[Powpow]

That's a silly comparison that doesn't even make sense on any level. Apples and oranges.

 

First of all Rex drafted Richardson. He has no ties to Kiko.

Secondly trade him for what? What's the point? Just trade him out of principle?

Thirdly he didn't inherit this roster. He built it. That's not the case with Buffalo. He's inheriting a roster over there that he didn't build.

Fourthly Kiko was injured last year. Last time I checked Sheldon made the Pro Bowl.

Fifthly since Kiko didn't even play last year, they don't lose anything on defense. They did great without him. Now they get something of value in return, a playmaker on offense. Without weakening their defense.

 

And lastly don't act like he gives up his favorite defensive player that creates a huge hole in his beloved defense. That's just not the case. Again, Kiko didn't play last year, the Bills did great. Rex didn't draft him either. They don't lose anything. In fact, they'll now go after David Harris and in the end (at least in Rex's mind) it's a win win for Buffalo. Rex has one of his favorite guys back to play ILB and they have an additional weapon on offense. All he had to give up was a guy that didn't play last year, a guy the Bills did great without, a guy that he didn't bring in. That's the way I see it. Maybe if Harris joins the Bills you'll agree. I guess until then you'll stick to your idea of how Rex has no say over there.

You're just incorrigible. That comparison is actually equivalent on numerous levels. Many feel Kiko was ROTY which was given to Richardson. Its an equitable trade.  Forget the ties. I'm just saying Rex wouldn't make that trade or made this past trade. And obviously, Harris would fit perfectly now in Buffalo.  Personally, he has seen better days. We need to get younger and faster so this would not be a major loss IMO. Its a stupid trade by Buffalo. They just destroyed their cap number, took on a disgruntled RB, and let go of a phenom LB who was making squat.  Guys like Kiko don't come along so easily.  He is on the same level as Luke Kuechly.   Yea he was injured but he's young and will recover.        

[CrazyCarl40]

I am at a bar right now imbibing on my 4th beer.

It just dawned on me:

EARLY PRE-DRAFT TRADE ALA BRADWAY IN 2003 for the #4 overall pick to select Dwayne Robertson DT Kentucky.

Trade up to #4 with the Raiders, shouldn't cost too much to slide up 2 spots, and be the best position to either select whichever QB drops or trade a RANSOM to Philly for Mariotta.

Raiders still get their WR @ #6

Thoughts?

Either drink more or stop drinking.

[DaBallhawk]

You're just incorrigible. That comparison is actually equivalent on numerous levels. Many feel Kiko was ROTY which was given to Richardson. Its an equitable trade.  Forget the ties. I'm just saying Rex wouldn't make that trade or made this past trade. And obviously, Harris would fit perfectly now in Buffalo.  Personally, he has seen better days. We need to get younger and faster so this would not be a major loss IMO. Its a stupid trade by Buffalo. They just destroyed their cap number, took on a disgruntled RB, and let go of a phenom LB who was making squat.  Guys like Kiko don't come along so easily.  He is on the same level as Luke Kuechly.   Yea he was injured but he's young and will recover.        

 

I disagree with you completely - on everything. And I told you why in my post earlier. And no, Kiko and Kuechly aren't even on the same planet, let alone being on the same level. He is a decent young starter, that's to me where it ends. He was lucky very early in the season in his rookie year when he made a couple plays in coverage. Outside of that there was nothing special about him. He didn't make a single play after week 4. No INT, no forced fumble. Not even a pass breakup. All he did was pile up a bunch of garbage stats (tackles) for a team that couldn't keep their offense on the field and constantly had to top the run on defense.

[Integrity28]

Keep fishing. It's s great move for buffalo and the jets gms have sucked.

Only great in the headlines.

[Villain The Foe]

And the regime that was in place when those picks were made is gone now. Thats where this silly argument falls apart. Nevermind the fact that Glennon has looked like hot garbage to anyone with two eyes. He isn't anyone future.

I never seen a guy who for a career is averaging almost 3,500 yards passing and 24 TD's with a 2-to-1 TD/INT ratio in a 16 game stretch be called "hot garbage", except by Jet fans. The same fans who haven't had a respectable QB since before 95% of the fan base was even born. So for a Jetfan to say that someone is "hot garbage" and all they've ever had was hot garbage, I would assume that we would at least know the difference. You dont like Glennon, I can respect that. Hot Garbage? Thats just empty words right there. But im not going to hijack the thread talking about Glennon here. If you want to discuss this further then I made a thread that you can find and we can talk about it there all day. If not then of course its cool too. 

 

[Villain The Foe]

He will be 27 when the season starts. And thats not a young 27 with the type of heavy use he's been subjected to.

That's still not "Almost 30". You exaggerated that one. Besides, he's had heavy use but his year that he ran for 1,300 yards with being restricted on his playing time. So I dont really see a concern here as if he was slowing down. You'd have more of an argument with Ray Rice imo, though I still think Rice has some left in the tank. McCoy will be fine. 

[JiF]

The amount of people lying to themselves in this thread is hilarious.

[Villain The Foe]

I wouldn't rule the Raiders out as being a team that trades with the Eagles.( offer sweet enough they will drop back to Eagles spot). Again only player they might not trade back is if Leonard Williams is still on the board.

I rule it out given what chip is doing. He's releasing all of his good players in one form or another. If you're going to do that then you have to not make "too sweet" a trade by going too high. He will need to replenish that talent somewhere. What Chip will have to give up for the #6 pick is already going to be ridiculous, just imagine if he had to deal with your team? Of course its not impossible, but I would certainly think that they would rule it out. 

 

The only way the Eagles go that high is if they even pass the raiders and go straight to the 2nd pick if they truly believe that the Titans would draft him. What would you think it would cost for the Eagles to trade up to the Raiders spot? 

[T0mShane]

The amount of people lying to themselves in this thread is hilarious.

lets traid mo wilkerman for demarco murry come on tanny make it happen

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

Seems like Bills got the better end of this deal, good fit for Rex, Bills are in the news, almost reminds me of the LT signing

 

on the other side everyone is wondering what the hell Chip is doing, yea this helps his defense (in theory) but he better get his QB or the Philly fans will start to get restless, they threw batteries at Santa, what do you think they will do to Chip?

[Jetster]

Seems like Bills got the better end of this deal, good fit for Rex, Bills are in the news, almost reminds me of the LT signing

 

on the other side everyone is wondering what the hell Chip is doing, yea this helps his defense (in theory) but he better get his QB or the Philly fans will start to get restless, they threw batteries at Santa, what do you think they will do to Chip?

This is an incredibly stupid trade for the Bills! McCoy is a 12 million dollar cap hit, he doesn't run between the tackles in a "conventional" offense (Kelly's offense is a spread). You know damn well he won't play dinged. He also fumbles a lot & is really wreckless when he bounces outside holding the ball away from his body.

I could care less because we were the 3rd best defense stopping the run last year & Bowles has enough money & smarts to completely fix our weak spots on defense this offseason so we'll definitely be even a better & more complete defense in 2015.

I can also see an UNHAPPY McCoy up in Buffalo.

I'll be shocked if this doesn't end up very badly in the long run.

[Savage69]

That's a silly comparison that doesn't even make sense on any level. Apples and oranges.

 

First of all Rex drafted Richardson. He has no ties to Kiko.

Secondly trade him for what? What's the point? Just trade him out of principle?

Thirdly he didn't inherit this roster. He built it. That's not the case with Buffalo. He's inheriting a roster over there that he didn't build.

Fourthly Kiko was injured last year. Last time I checked Sheldon made the Pro Bowl.

Fifthly since Kiko didn't even play last year, they don't lose anything on defense. They did great without him. Now they get something of value in return, a playmaker on offense. Without weakening their defense.

 

And lastly don't act like he gives up his favorite defensive player that creates a huge hole in his beloved defense. That's just not the case. Again, Kiko didn't play last year, the Bills did great. Rex didn't draft him either. They don't lose anything. In fact, they'll now go after David Harris and in the end (at least in Rex's mind) it's a win win for Buffalo. Rex has one of his favorite guys back to play ILB and they have an additional weapon on offense. All he had to give up was a guy that didn't play last year, a guy the Bills did great without, a guy that he didn't bring in. That's the way I see it. Maybe if Harris joins the Bills you'll agree. I guess until then you'll stick to your idea of how Rex has no say over there.

Rex didn't draft Revis and never would have traded him if he was really the GM like you and so many say he was..LOL

[New York Mick]

If the Jets made this trade posters here would be breakdancing.

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

This is an incredibly stupid trade for the Bills! McCoy is a 12 million dollar cap hit, he doesn't run between the tackles in a "conventional" offense (Kelly's offense is a spread). You know damn well he won't play dinged. He also fumbles a lot & is really wreckless when he bounces outside holding the ball away from his body.

I could care less because we were the 3rd best defense stopping the run last year & Bowles has enough money & smarts to completely fix our weak spots on defense this offseason so we'll definitely be even a better & more complete defense in 2015.

I can also see an UNHAPPY McCoy up in Buffalo.

I'll be shocked if this doesn't end up very badly in the long run.

You are thinking long term and I was just looking at the trade on the surface, we know Rex is focused on next season only, big headlines, Roman and Rex want to run the ball and now have one of the top 3 RB's in the league (for 2015), no loss on D since Alonso was out last year and may never fully recover....  there is buzz in Buffalo, even CBSSports gave the Bills an A/B+ and the Iggles a B+/B

 

I agree in the long term, this could be a mess for the Bills, they gambled, classic trader mike deal, Shady could hold out day one since there is no guaranteed money after this year so we will see but for today the Bills are relevant again...

[SouthernJet]

RB rich draft, trade for high-priced RB, give up a player that almost stole DROY from Sheldon.

Makes sense, lol. Really starting to wonder if any of it was Tanny's fault.

and eagles gets 5M back in cap space to boot....

[Jetsfan80]

Seems like Bills got the better end of this deal, good fit for Rex, Bills are in the news, almost reminds me of the LT signing

 

Cool.  So just like us, the Bills got to be a relevant franchise for a little while because of a splashy move.  Will it work out in the long-term?  Absolutely not. 

[DaBallhawk]

Rex didn't draft Revis and never would have traded him if he was really the GM like you and so many say he was..LOL

 

Last time I checked Rex traded Revis to Tampa.

[Jetsfan80]

If the Jets made this trade posters here would be breakdancing.

 

Not if we gave up Mo or Sheldon to do it.

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

Cool.  So just like us, the Bills got to be a relevant franchise for a little while because of a splashy move.  Will it work out in the long-term?  Absolutely not. 

 

Agree, I am very happy the Jets did not make this deal, we have seen that show, although the playoff runs were fun, no way would I want to see Mo, Richardson or even Snacks traded for what could be a one year rental and best case 2-3 years at the end of a great RB career...

[New York Mick]

Not if we gave up Mo or Sheldon to do it.

You're not comparing Mo and Sheldon to Alonso.

[Jetster]

Not if we gave up Mo or Sheldon to do it.

Ha ha, I can't believe people are saying this. Your right, it would be like us trading Mo Wilk for a RB making 12 million dollars!

This is a typically bad move made by a losing organization to excite their fan base for the short term.

Williams is a year older & no spring chicken.

Hughes is a free agent. Their Oline is below average, other than Kiko, their defense stayed relatively healthy last year (we know that doesn't happen every year).

[Jetsfan80]

You're not comparing Mo and Sheldon to Alonso.

 

Alonso was a DROY candidate the same year Sheldon was.  You're right though, in terms of value of course Alonso isn't in the same territory as Mo or possibly even Sheldon.  But outside of those 2, who is Philly going to take for Shady?

[Powpow]

You're not comparing Mo and Sheldon to Alonso.

Why not? Many felt Kiko was the true ROY. 

[UnitedWhofans]

Why not? Many felt Kiko was the true ROY. 

The reason Kiko didn't win was because he got all his stats early and didn't do much the whole season in full

[slats]

Lol. I'm sure all the folks bashing Rex Ryan for this trade would be praising him up and down if this was reversed, and he had traded away LeSean McCoy for a LB coming off a missed season do to a serious ACL injury. Yeah, that's what would've happened.

Short term, the trade favors the Bills. They suffer no effects losing Kiko, as they were just fine on defense last year. They add a dynamic RB who's still in his prime. The Eagles get a LB who'll probably spend this season just getting back up to speed.

That said, I would never make this trade because of McCoy's contract. The Eagles get cap space, and -long term- a player who could potentially be producing for them for years after McCoy's retired. RBs shelf lives are short, and I would never pay one what McCoy is scheduled to make. It's why I have no interest in Spiller or Murray, either.

[LWC611]

When was the last time trading for a back with mileage worked out?

The Jets and Thomas Jones...

[T0mShane]

If the Jets made this trade posters here would be breakdancing.

I'm still hung over from the parade we threw for the Percy Harvin deal.

[The Troll]

The Jets and Thomas Jones...

We had the best offensive line in football. I could have gained 500 yards behind that line.

Wait, I was younger and less fat, then. 750.

[Matt39]

You're not comparing Mo and Sheldon to Alonso.

 

DEmario Davis for Mccoy