KRL Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Before free agency starts up and the BUF rumors start to fly I would like to thank him for his eight years as a Jet. He's been a reliable rock at ILB, but ever since the end of the season I've been firmly in the middle about whether we should bring him back. And if he did come back at what price? He didn't produce up to his previous deal (36 million / 4 years) and now he's 31 with diminshing speed. Do we really want to get into a bidding war with BUF and give him another 3-4 year deal for between 14-20 million??? Personally if the $$$ get that high I would investigate one of the following LB's: Brooks Reed - Maccagnan knows him and we can kick him inside http://www.nfl.com/player/brooksreed/2495218/profile Mason Foster http://www.nfl.com/player/masonfoster/2495281/profile Kelvin Sheppard - Rodgers our DC knows him http://www.nfl.com/player/kelvinsheppard/2495229/profile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I think we can fill that role with a number of players. We don't need a high ticket player on the inside. Especially with our d-line and if we're going to be spending big on corners this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAD_Brooklyn Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I'm not to concerned about Harris as he will easily find another suitor and get paid. Atl, Mia, Buf and Chi have all shown interest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Sam Acho for cheap and move him to ILB. Or AJ Hawk to a cheap 1 year deal he and Harris are the same player at this point but Hawk will be cheaper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 He's not going to cost a fortune. And we've got plenty of money. Keep him or upgrade the position. Acho, Hawk or Reed do not upgrade the position. I think we're stuck thinking about the need to be frugal due to so many years of Tannenbaum overpaying players. No need to be play it cheap. We have cash and we have a solid LB. Seems common sense to sign him and pay pay him reasonably. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 He's not going to cost a fortune. And we've got plenty of money. Keep him or upgrade the position. Acho, Hawk or Reed do not upgrade the position. I think we're stuck thinking about the need to be frugal due to so many years of Tannenbaum overpaying players. No need to be play it cheap. We have cash and we have a solid LB. Seems common sense to sign him and pay pay him reasonably. We do need to get younger and faster at LB though, keeping him just prolongs that another year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 He's not going to cost a fortune. And we've got plenty of money. Keep him or upgrade the position. Acho, Hawk or Reed do not upgrade the position. I think we're stuck thinking about the need to be frugal due to so many years of Tannenbaum overpaying players. No need to be play it cheap. We have cash and we have a solid LB. Seems common sense to sign him and pay pay him reasonably. Disagree. Too many teams run a 3-4 for Harris not to get paid. He's good against the run but sucks against the pass so I'm not cool with giving $6 mil per year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Disagree. Too many teams run a 3-4 for Harris not to get paid. He's good against the run but sucks against the pass so I'm not cool with giving $6 mil per year. So who is better? Replace him with what player that is as good against the run and better than he is in coverage? There isn't anyone. So we either get worse at the position or maintain a solid level of play with a good player that's led the team in tackles nearly every year he's played. In 2014 Harris had 124 tackles, 2 forced fumbles and 6 sacks. He's better than Davis or anyone else at ILB on this roster or in FA right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 So who is better? Replace him with what player that is as good against the run and better than he is in coverage? There isn't anyone. So we either get worse at the position or maintain a solid level of play with a good player that's led the team in tackles nearly every year he's played. In 2014 Harris had 124 tackles, 2 forced fumbles and 6 sacks. He's better than Davis or anyone else at ILB on this roster or in FA right now. I'd rather just get a similar player for $4 mil less. Harris isn't as good as he was 5 years ago you overrate him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I would like him to stay and hopefully he does too . There will be teams that I think will give him more money than we would want to offer and if he goes I wouldn't blame him. He does have leadership and character qualities that we should pay just a little bit more than his value. If he leaves then I hope he goes to a strong contender (not NE). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted March 4, 2015 Author Share Posted March 4, 2015 These tweets by Joe Caporoso really sums up the Harris situation: Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets #Jets have long had problem of overvaluing their own talent and self-scouting, curious if that changes under new regime Joe Caporoso @TurnOnTheJets This is team that thought Shonn Greene was a "Bell-Cow", Wayne Hunter could be an elite OT and Eric Smith could play 50 snaps per game As I posted earlier if his $$$ demands get crazy it's time to move on. Because if you continue to pay players for their previous service and not judge them for what they really are your roster will suffer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Rex is going to go after Harris. Do you guys seriously want to do a bidding war over an ILB who can't function outside the box? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsHex Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 replacing Harris with someone not used to playing that position or not equally experienced is going to be a huge mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shuler82 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Harris is an above average starter. If he leaves, we're probably looking at a downgrade at his position. The question is.. how much does that matter in Bowles defense, especially if we upgrade our OLB, S and CB positions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Sam Acho for cheap and move him to ILB. Or AJ Hawk to a cheap 1 year deal he and Harris are the same player at this point but Hawk will be cheaper. Sam Acho? Where do you come up with this sh*t? You are talking about the same OLB Sam Acho that Bowles benched for Matt Shaughnessey? The one that he didn't move to ILB despite Dansby leaving? Bowles elected to go Larry Foote or playing nickel and dime for huge stretches instead of putting Acho at ILB. Seems like a well thought out plan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaSteve Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 He's not going to cost a fortune. And we've got plenty of money. Keep him or upgrade the position. Acho, Hawk or Reed do not upgrade the position. I think we're stuck thinking about the need to be frugal due to so many years of Tannenbaum overpaying players. No need to be play it cheap. We have cash and we have a solid LB. Seems common sense to sign him and pay pay him reasonably. You cannot go into free agency with the attitude of 'we have loads of money. That is how you get into the position we were in years ago with Tannenbaum. You can over-spend on one, MAYBE two positions, but the rest will need to fall in line with an expectation/cost ratio. Brooks Reed and Sam Acho can probably both be had for what we paid Harris. Jacoby Jones and Eddie Royal can both be had for the price of Randall Cobb. By spreading the money around to more players, it makes it easier to cut ties with a portion of any one position, rather than bringing in, say Worilds and paying him boat loads because we have the money. What happens if he doesn't work out? Same thinking can apply to Harris. There is NO way we should get in a bidding war with any team if the number goes past about $4-5 million a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 You cannot go into free agency with the attitude of 'we have loads of money. That is how you get into the position we were in years ago with Tannenbaum. You can over-spend on one, MAYBE two positions, but the rest will need to fall in line with an expectation/cost ratio. Brooks Reed and Sam Acho can probably both be had for what we paid Harris. Jacoby Jones and Eddie Royal can both be had for the price of Randall Cobb. By spreading the money around to more players, it makes it easier to cut ties with a portion of any one position, rather than bringing in, say Worilds and paying him boat loads because we have the money. What happens if he doesn't work out? Same thinking can apply to Harris. There is NO way we should get in a bidding war with any team if the number goes past about $4-5 million a season. I agree with all of this. Every word. Never said we should overpay anyone. I just don't think the market for Harris is going to be as hot as everyone else here is stating. He shouldn't get a similar contract to the one he got when he was playing at his peak and had several years ahead of him. And he won't. Because older players that are a step slower generally don't get huge contracts. Harris should get a decent contract. If someone bids up Harris' value then you obviously let him go. If his contract is reasonable or slightly above his actual worth, then you sign him and worry about the holes rather than making a new one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I just read a report saying he wants a contract in the range of $6-8 million per year and there is no way in Hell I would give him anything remotely close to that. It would not be a good first impression for the new regime to make if they overpay for an aging LB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Sam Acho? Where do you come up with this sh*t? You are talking about the same OLB Sam Acho that Bowles benched for Matt Shaughnessey? The one that he didn't move to ILB despite Dansby leaving? Bowles elected to go Larry Foote or playing nickel and dime for huge stretches instead of putting Acho at ILB. Seems like a well thought out plan. drdetroit likes to play the bully know-it-all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I just read a report saying he wants a contract in the range of $6-8 million per year and there is no way in Hell I would give him anything remotely close to that. It would not be a good first impression for the new regime to make if they overpay for an aging LB. I agree but someone may give him that and if its a quick signing then thae market value goes up on LB's and we may have to pay someone that money anyway. If so, lets hope hes younger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Time to move on. He was serviceble for the Jets. The speed is necessary for the Jets to get to the playoffs. The big play interception against Brady in the playoffs was also his downfall in this league. He was caught by an OL when he should have had a TD. I don't think that this is Madden where we can just plug a guy in there though. Good insight here once again KRL. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 harris is 31 going on a million. pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Let Rex overpay him. Inside linebacker in a 3-4. For all of our sake, we've got to hope our new scouting department can find us a new one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Before free agency starts up and the BUF rumors start to fly I would like to thank him for his eight years as a Jet. He's been a reliable rock at ILB, but ever since the end of the season I've been firmly in the middle about whether we should bring him back. And if he did come back at what price? He didn't produce up to his previous deal (36 million / 4 years) and now he's 31 with diminshing speed. Do we really want to get into a bidding war with BUF and give him another 3-4 year deal for between 14-20 million??? Personally if the $$$ get that high I would investigate one of the following LB's: Brooks Reed - Maccagnan knows him and we can kick him inside http://www.nfl.com/player/brooksreed/2495218/profile Mason Foster http://www.nfl.com/player/masonfoster/2495281/profile Kelvin Sheppard - Rodgers our DC knows him http://www.nfl.com/player/kelvinsheppard/2495229/profile No, I see the Jets bringing in a guy like Spikes as a two down run stuffer. He is an ass, but he is good against the run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I'd rather go linebacker in the draft. Certain positions I feel need to be addressed via free agency, however I feel that RB and LB should be drafted this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I still like Paul Dawson in the draft to replace Harris. Anytime after the fourth especially... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I still like Paul Dawson in the draft to replace Harris. Anytime after the fourth especially... After the fourth isn't going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 After the fourth isn't going to happen. I'm fine with it, he really fits and pretty much everyone else sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I'm fine with it, he really fits and pretty much everyone else sucks. As long as he comes in under 4.8 or something at pro day, and he has like three more weeks, it's probably not going to make much of a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 How's this kid from Miss St we like...anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 How's this kid from Miss St we like...anyone? Beast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 How's this kid from Miss St we like...anyone? If we're talking McKinney, and it's probably McKinney, he's one of the best and most complete players in the draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 I just read a report saying he wants a contract in the range of $6-8 million per year and there is no way in Hell I would give him anything remotely close to that. It would not be a good first impression for the new regime to make if they overpay for an aging LB. I wouldn't offer him half that. He ran like he was aging before he got that 4 year extension. Freaking Alge Crumpler, who was pushing 300 lbs at the time, ran him down in a dead heat when Harris had a head start on him. That was how many years ago? He's a pretty solid tackler, but nowhere near elite in that area either. I missed a quarter of this past season and still saw enough guys juke or wrestle away from him. My top offer would be pointless, since he'd get a multiple of that elsewhere, but it would cap out at around $2M or so. Low enough to justify keeping him around as a non-starter; a backup who subs in & out now and then. But someone with a 3-4 defense will make the mistake of signing him to start for them and, since Harris does have his moments, they'll convince themselves that that unexpected play he makes every 2nd-3rd game counterbalances the plodding around he does the balance of the time. $50 says he'd come in 4th place in a race among him, Wilkerson, Richardson, and Coples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 my friend who is a bills fan is praying the bills sign harris "harris is a very good player" oh boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted March 5, 2015 Share Posted March 5, 2015 Thank you David Harris. Quality player and a class act. Good luck elsewhere... as long as it is not for the Cheaters. Nuff said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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