Pac Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 By my count, the Bills have given up Kiko Alonso, a 5th and 7th round draft picks, in return for 2 bloated contracts from teams that were looking to make salary dump trades, and a 6th rounder. How have they improved? They now have 1 running back to put up the same rushing stats that they had last year, as opposed to using a committee of guys to do it. They still have a worst QB situation than last year. They go into this years loaded draft class with almost no picks to make. Lesean McCoy might make a minute difference for them, but Jackson/Spiller has been one of the better tandems over the past couple of years. I expect this move to be a wash, statistically. Cassel does nothing to make them better. McCoy and Cassel contracts can't help the salary cap for the Bills, so it's got to impact the signings they'll be able to make. Yeah, this improves them remarkably. They swapped 5th rounders and gave up a 7th.. hardly a kings ransome. And your contention that McCoy will equal the output of Boobey Dixon and Fred Jackson is too absurd to counter. Get a grip yo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 To be honest with that Running back and D, he juts needs average Q.B play and the Bills are very good. They don't have an average QB on their roster. Both of the QBs they've got are terrible. The RB move was a push. McCoy might give them one more year of 300 carries and 50 receptions, but he's not going to produce the way he did 2 years ago. Just like Nick Foles, McCoy was stellar in Chip Kelly's first year, while the league was figuring out that offense. Last year brought everyone back to Earth. McCoy: 312 carries, 1319 yards, 28 rec, 115 yards, 5 total TD vs. Fred Jackson: 141 carries, 525 yards, 66 rec, 501 yards, 3 total TD Anthony Dixon: 105 carries, 432 yards, 8 rec, 49 yards, 2 total TD CJ Spiller: 78 carries, 300 yards, 19 rec, 125 yards, 1 total TD As you can see, statistically they aren't improving at RB, it just gives them a bellcow to run up the numbers they were already getting out of a committee. This is a good thing, in that it opens up roster spots, but this isn't going from having a 2.5 yard per carry RB to gaining a 5.0 yard per carry RB. Look at it through a moneyball lens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 They swapped 5th rounders and gave up a 7th.. hardly a kings ransome. And your contention that McCoy will equal the output of Boobey Dixon and Fred Jackson is too absurd to counter. Get a grip yo. Look at the numbers. McCoy is an excellent fantasy RB, but 300 carries to McCoy in Philly's offense was about equal to 300 carries distributed across Jackson, Dixon and Spiller last year. The numbers don't lie. Not my fault y'all are looking at it like it's ******* Madden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 That big-time D that just lost its leader and one of its best players and could also be losing Jerry Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 That big-time D that just lost its leader and one of its best players and could also be losing Jerry Hughes. which leader did they lose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Look at the numbers. McCoy is an excellent fantasy RB, but 300 carries to McCoy in Philly's offense was about equal to 300 carries distributed across Jackson, Dixon and Spiller last year. The numbers don't lie. Not my fault y'all are looking at it like it's ******* Madden. Just saw an analyst make the point that McCoy playing with a QB who will be primarily under center will boost his numbers back up to the level of a couple years ago. I won't profess to know the machinations of getting hand offs in the conventional sense as opposed to Kellys circus but it was an interesting point I hadn't heard until now. Basically you are in a very small, deluded club that believes the Bills are getting worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 which leader did they lose? Kiko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
operaguy Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 This is Rex Ryan to all the posters on the board surprised that he wanted to go after high profile trades for a RB and a mediocre QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Just saw and analyst make the point that McCoy playing with a QB who will be primarily under center will boost his numbers back up to the level of a couple years ago. I won't profess to know the machinations of getting hand offs in he conventional sense as opposed to Kellys circus but it was an interesting point I hadn't heard until now. Basically you are in a very small, deluded club that believes the Bills are getting worse. Kelly's offense is a dream for running backs. It sets up the run by tiring out defensive lines. Which is why whoever Kelly gets in the draft to be their new featured back is going to produce similar or better numbers than McCoy last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Kiko Kiko must have led in the weight room because it wasn't on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
operaguy Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Bills fans be like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Are bills fans going to cheer as hard as Chiefs fans did when Cassell gets injured next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 just remember this statement when the bills sweep the jets this year. its gonna happen, again let me edit and re-phrase this. I believe this team can make huge strides this season if the right moves are made. however, if the jets new from office continues the trend that john "the true victim here" idzik followed, the jets don't stand a chance and will gets swept by the pats and the bills Wow, just wow. Can we get to free agency before we start to panic? Every team is going to improve including the Dolphins. Lets wait until the smoke clears before we make all this declarative statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I have equal hatred for the Jets, Bills and Jets. Obviously, you hate the Jets more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 You just have to laugh at posts like this. Free Agency hasn't even started yet and the draft is still 2 months away. Yet the Bills have already improved their team on paper more than any other team in the NFL. Fixed. How many games does the NFL play in March? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Lesean McCoy might make a minute difference for them, but Jackson/Spiller has been one of the better tandems over the past couple of years. I expect this move to be a wash, statistically. Cassel does nothing to make them better. Lol, Spiller is only good when saying he is fits whatever point you're trying to make. Ivory is better than Jackson, so according to the logic you have provided, that would make Ivory/Spiller better than McCoy. Sign me up for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
win4ever Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Sanchez is better than Cassell and would have cost 0 draft picks. Even Jake Locker, who I think is horrible, Jake f'n Locker is better than Cassell and doesn't cost picks. Kiko Alonso was a good player for the bills and we still don't know if they are resigning Hughes. But they got McCoy and most casual nfl fans know who he is because of fantasy so they must be a Super Bowl contender right? Yeah, Locker/Sanchez/Hoyer all were better fits, wouldn't really cost them picks, and would cost around the same money. These last two moves are just puzzling, they are taking away valued picks and players which at cheap rates would've really helped in the future, and bringing in high priced veterans that aren't really going to put them over the top. I would've understood better if the guys brought in were cheap as well (Glennon) but just doesn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Kiko must have led in the weight room because it wasn't on the field. More likely the trainer's room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Shame on Rex getting the best RB in the game and upgrading his QB. Shame. On. Him. Literally all your posts are poor trolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I have equal hatred for the Jets, Bills and Jets. Made me think of only one thing: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Wow, just wow. Can we get to free agency before we start to panic? Every team is going to improve including the Dolphins. Lets wait until the smoke clears before we make all this declarative statements. wow, just wow. wtf are you talking about?? who is in a panic? bills last year were a lot better team than the jets declarative statement = if the 2015 jets make improvements like the 2014 jets did, they will get swept by the bills Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Kiko the 2nd year player that missed his entire 2nd season last year was the bills defensive leader? well that changes everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Literally all your posts are poor trolling. Truth is trolling these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Truth is trolling these days?Truth would mean it is supported by a fact... You just troll the board w/ bs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 They don't have an average QB on their roster. Both of the QBs they've got are terrible. The RB move was a push. McCoy might give them one more year of 300 carries and 50 receptions, but he's not going to produce the way he did 2 years ago. Just like Nick Foles, McCoy was stellar in Chip Kelly's first year, while the league was figuring out that offense. Last year brought everyone back to Earth. McCoy: 312 carries, 1319 yards, 28 rec, 115 yards, 5 total TD vs. Fred Jackson: 141 carries, 525 yards, 66 rec, 501 yards, 3 total TD Anthony Dixon: 105 carries, 432 yards, 8 rec, 49 yards, 2 total TD CJ Spiller: 78 carries, 300 yards, 19 rec, 125 yards, 1 total TD As you can see, statistically they aren't improving at RB, it just gives them a bellcow to run up the numbers they were already getting out of a committee. This is a good thing, in that it opens up roster spots, but this isn't going from having a 2.5 yard per carry RB to gaining a 5.0 yard per carry RB. Look at it through a moneyball lens. ? So the extra half a yard per carry doesn't mean anything because... moneyball? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Just saw an analyst make the point that McCoy playing with a QB who will be primarily under center will boost his numbers back up to the level of a couple years ago. I won't profess to know the machinations of getting hand offs in the conventional sense as opposed to Kellys circus but it was an interesting point I hadn't heard until now. Basically you are in a very small, deluded club that believes the Bills are getting worse. Analysts are tasked to sell whatever activity that's happening in the league in March, because there isn't much. They're opinion doesn't necessarily mean anything other than "blah blah blah". LOL at how the derps on ESPN suddenly gain credibility when the nonsense they spew supports an agenda here. I backed up my argument with data. God forbid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Truth would mean it is supported by a fact... You just troll the board w/ bs. The Bills are a better team today then they were 2 days ago. Why? They upgraded RB and QB. Fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I just saw an analyst on ESPN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 A RB that has seen his best days in the past, and a war beaten QB? Almost 18 million in salary cap space for McCoy & Cassel, LMAO! Let's see where we are after March 10th with the new boss in town. Then we can match apples to apples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I just saw an analyst on ESPN. The difference is I don't have my pants around my ankles while watching. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Analysts are tasked to sell whatever activity that's happening in the league in March, because there isn't much. They're opinion doesn't necessarily mean anything other than "blah blah blah". LOL at how the derps on ESPN suddenly gain credibility when the nonsense they spew supports an agenda here. I backed up my argument with data. God forbid. Your "data" supported the fact that the Bills needed an upgrade at RB. Freddy is 152 years old and coming off a couple injury riddled seasons and Boobey Dixon is named Boobey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetfan4hire Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 You know things are slow in Jets land when there is a 7 page thread on Matt Cassel going to the Bills. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 The difference is I don't have my pants around my ankles while watching. Dana Jacobson was my boo. I don't really go for the Jersey trash they throw up there now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Your "data" supported the fact that the Bills needed an upgrade at RB. Freddy is 152 years old and coming off a couple injury riddled seasons and Boobey Dixon is named Boobey. Boobie*. You've never seen a naked woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Had Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 So now...where is buttfumble going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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