Patriot Killa Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 The Bills are a better team today then they were 2 days ago. Why? They upgraded RB and QB. Fact.Because they upgraded from what they had at running back makes them better? No. We still have one 3 of the most talented run stuffers up front. And youre only fooling yourself if you think Cassell is better then EJ. They equally suck at the moment. You can't say Cassell is better when EJ has been injured. This is just further hurting his development TO be better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Arguably the worst QB in the NFL the last 4 years. Congrats, Rex. All that after talking up EJ Manuel who might be the only guy who was actually worse than Cassell. Wait Rex was blamed for not caring about offense and now he gets blamed for O moves as the GM?? I wish you guys would make up your mind on what to hate him for or better yet move on and talk about the Jets.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Because they upgraded from what they had at running back makes them better? No. We still have one 3 of the most talented run stuffers up front. And youre only fooling yourself if you think Cassell is better then EJ. They equally suck at the moment. You can't say Cassell is better when EJ has been injured. This is just further hurting his development TO be better. Typically when you upgrade positions you get better. The Bills upgraded a few positions. So they're probably a little better today then they were Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Lol, Spiller is only good when saying he is fits whatever point you're trying to make. Ivory is better than Jackson, so according to the logic you have provided, that would make Ivory/Spiller better than McCoy. Sign me up for that. I never said he wasn't good. I said he's not elite and shouldn't be sought after as a priority free agent. We could do better via draft in our return on investment. Veteran RB contracts are stupid. If a RB is worth anything the team that has them usually extends them. When a RB turns to garbage, they end up signing with a new team that is trying to capture the old magic. See: Johnson, Chris On could argue that Fred Jackson was better than Ivory, but not at this age he isn't. You want Ivory/Spiller. Creating a tandem where Ivory is our best back. We can do better in this draft. I want Gurley/Ivory. Ivory as a second back means your bellcow is a monster. Don't talk to me about logic. You've emerged as one of the least sensible fans on this site over the past couple of days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Rex just traded out of the 5th for a guy who was bottom 30 in DVOA and DYAR two years ago and worse than Geno Smith last season. This is smart because 1. Potential 2. ???? 3. Profit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Typically when you upgrade positions you get better. The Bills upgraded a few positions. So they're probably a little better today then they were Monday. That's true. Still stupid to trade for an expensive 27 year old back who was probably going to get released, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 ? So the extra half a yard per carry doesn't mean anything because... moneyball? Ask yourself, is a half a hard per carry worth the contract Lesean gets? I don't think it is. So yeah, moneyball. Like I said, we're not talking about this move erasing a committee that averaged 2.5 yards per carry with a stud who gets 5. It's a .5 increase in ypc, in a contract scenario that hamstrings the team into paying for McCoy's past production (something nobody should do with a RB). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 That's true. Bullsh*t. On what planet is moving downward in the draft in order to change Orton out for Cassell an upgrade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I never said he wasn't good. I said he's not elite and shouldn't be sought after as a priority free agent. We could do better via draft in our return on investment. Veteran RB contracts are stupid. If a RB is worth anything the team that has them usually extends them. When a RB turns to garbage, they end up signing with a new team that is trying to capture the old magic. See: Johnson, Chris On could argue that Fred Jackson was better than Ivory, but not at this age he isn't. You want Ivory/Spiller. Creating a tandem where Ivory is our best back. We can do better in this draft. I want Gurley/Ivory. Ivory as a second back means your bellcow is a monster. Don't talk to me about logic. You've emerged as one of the least sensible fans on this site over the past couple of days. Yes, I seem very unsensible when you just make sh*t up and pretend I said it. I've never said Spiller is a priority and I've also said I'll pass on him if the rumors are true that he wants $5 million a season. That sound like I think he's a massive priority? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 And youre only fooling yourself if you think Cassell is better then EJ. Do you even watch football? When was the last time EJ Manuel threw for over 3,100 yard, with 27 TD's and only 7 INT's and was a Pro Bowl QB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Do you even watch football? OYDGTLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Rex just traded out of the 5th for a guy who was bottom 30 in DVOA and DYAR two years ago and worse than Geno Smith last season. This is smart because 1. Potential 2. ???? 3. Profit? upgrades bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Your "data" supported the fact that the Bills needed an upgrade at RB. Freddy is 152 years old and coming off a couple injury riddled seasons and Boobey Dixon is named Boobey. They could have used their 3nd round pick on a RB to replace Jackson, kept the $10m in salary and used to address real areas of need in free agency. Lesean McCoy, Matt Cassell, Richie Incognito Teams are using the Bills as a salary dump. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Do you even watch football? When was the last time EJ Manuel threw for over 3,100 yard, with 27 TD's and only 7 INT's and was a Pro Bowl QB? That was 2010, so I guess we are allowed to brag forever about making it to the AFC Championship game that year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Bullsh*t. On what planet is moving downward in the draft in order to change Orton out for Cassell an upgrade? Orton is retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Yes, I seem very unsensible when you just make sh*t up and pretend I said it. I've never said Spiller is a priority and I've also said I'll pass on him if the rumors are true that he wants $5 million a season. That sound like I think he's a massive priority? I've been talking to the collective group of people advocating for Spiller. I'm not making things up, I lumping you all together. You are just the thin-skinned twat that emerged as the champion of "let's recreate duh Bills derp". Also, if these were things you'd been saying from the beginning, you wouldn't be arguing with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Orton is retired. Making Orton infinitely better than Cassel. Nothing Orton can do to hurt the team.... Cassel? Limitless potential on becoming Rex's new scapegoat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 They could have used their 3nd round pick on a RB to replace Jackson, kept the $10m in salary and used to address real areas of need in free agency. Lesean McCoy, Matt Cassell, Richie Incognito Teams are using the Bills as a salary dump. Idiotic assessment. Just because it's trendy to say RB's aren't valuable doesn't mean it's true. I have a feeling we won't be seeing any 3rd round RB's equaling McCoys output next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I've been talking to the collective group of people advocating for Spiller. I'm not making things up, I lumping you all together. You are just the thin-skinned twat that emerged as the champion of "let's recreate duh Bills derp". Also, if these were things you'd been saying from the beginning, you wouldn't be arguing with me. Yeah, dumbass, I'm the champion of the cause, even though I argued against Stevie Johnson. And I did say from the beginning that I wanted Spiller at a similar deal to Chris Johnson. Learn to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Typically when you upgrade positions you get better. The Bills upgraded a few positions. So they're probably a little better today then they were Monday. I cannot believe that the dumbest thing said in this thread didn't come from Teh Troll. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Typically when you upgrade positions you get better. The Bills upgraded a few positions. So they're probably a little better today then they were Monday.Your sarcasm makes you look like a fool. Upgrade doesn't mean better than us. If we upgrade the line we aren't better then half those AFC teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Orton is retired. Ketchup is a condiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Ketchup is a condiment. Your statement wasn't based in reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Your statement wasn't based in reality. Orton retired. The Bills just traded down in the draft in order to replace him laterally. Pray tell, Nikola, what exactly is unrealistic about that observation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Arguably the worst QB in the NFL the last 4 years. Congrats, Rex. All that after talking up EJ Manuel who might be the only guy who was actually worse than Cassell. Geno Smith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Idiotic assessment. Just because it's trendy to say RB's aren't valuable doesn't mean it's true. I have a feeling we won't be seeing any 3rd round RB's equaling McCoys output next season. I never said that RBs aren't valuable. I'm talking about the cost/value argument The cost of a 3rd round RB vs. the $10m salary for McCoy, when you can get the same production out of your 3rd rounder plus a tandem back like Bryce Brown or Boobie Dixon over 300 carries is a no-brainer. Rex likes to collect players that were great 2 years ago, no matter how disgruntled or how terrible their contracts are. I don't think it makes the Bills markedly better. No matter what ESPN tells you to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Yeah, dumbass, I'm the champion of the cause, even though I argued against Stevie Johnson. And I did say from the beginning that I wanted Spiller at a similar deal to Chris Johnson. Learn to read. Learn to not be stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Orton is retired. This is so fun. McCoy sucks and EJ Manuel is the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Bullsh*t. On what planet is moving downward in the draft in order to change Orton out for Cassell an upgrade? I was referring to McCoy. The fact that they're paying Cassel $5 mil AND losing a draft pick(s) for him is dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I was referring to McCoy. The fact that they're paying Cassel $5 mil AND losing a draft pick(s) for him is dumb. Typical Rex though, right? **** money. **** picks. I need what I need and screw minding the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I cannot believe that the dumbest thing said in this thread didn't come from Teh Troll. Haha - can't wait for all the perfectly perfect upgrades the Jets make but don't actually make them better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 The plan for Rex is painfully obvious. He's going 2009 Jets. Great running game, game manager at QB, dominant defense. What choice does he have? It's not like you can just find a Pro Bowl QB out there. Without that, this is the best plan possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Oh noes!!!!! A 5th round pick and money!!!! My heavens!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 I was referring to McCoy. The fact that they're paying Cassel $5 mil AND losing a draft pick(s) for him is dumb. We paid Vick $5 million, and a lot of the local dogs went missing.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted March 4, 2015 Share Posted March 4, 2015 Learn to not be stupid. Good comeback. Go read my very first post in that thread, where it states that Spiller should cost around the same as Johnson. In light of today's news, that assumption is obviously false. At least I possess the skills of reading comprehension. If I'm stupid, what does that make you? PS: eat a dick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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