Jolot Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Murphy almost impaled by a broken bat, for his next trick he's gonna concuss himself trying to catch a pop up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 That sucked, but, that was a pretty slick move by Rizzo. Credit where credit is due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Sandy Alderson in his office, cackling at you yah if only hed trade harvey for bryce hamster this wudnt be hapning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Motte touches his beard an awful lot. I'm not calling him a cheater, but if he's like the rest of us he puts oil or balm in that 1-2 times per day and there's no way that sh*t isn't getting on the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 That is one of the most bizarre and pathetic Mets losses I have ever seen. Who the **** loses a game on a busted squeeze play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Can you expand on this "forced into a deal" business? And, yes, he does well when he's dumping salary for minor leaguers. Truly a gift. Tell us about all the deals that he didn't make, that were in front of him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Ok it has gone beyond pathetic on the lack of bonafide hitters in the lineup. Duda has regressed this year when we expected him to improve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Tell us about all the deals that he didn't make, that were in front of him? Hang on. Let me file a FOIA for Sandy's phone records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 So, what are working with 23 straight scoreless innings or something like that? Nice job, Mets. I dont even want to trade Murphy anymore (not that anyone is buying) but instead, just take him out behind the bull pen and put him down. He's the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Hang on. Let me file a FOIA for Sandy's phone records. So, repeating, you don't have a remote clue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Ok it has gone beyond pathetic on the lack of bonafide hitters in the lineup. Duda has regressed this year when we expected him to improve How is Cuduyer this useless? Wtf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 How is Cuduyer this useless? Wtf. Yes we blew a first round draft choice on him also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 How is Cuduyer this useless? Wtf. He has been the biggest disappointment. He can not handle a fastball up to save his life. He used to be such a clutch hitter with men in scoring position with quality at bats. Now he fishes out of the strike zone and grounds into DP's. Conforto can't come fast enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Mets International signings: Mets sign Venezuelan SS Andres Gimenez, and Vlad Guerrero’s 16-yr-old nephew July 2nd, 2015 9:40 am The Mets have signed 16-year-old SS Gregory Guerrero out of the Dominican Republic, according to his academy (July 2). He is the nephew of former MLB OF Vladimir Guerrero. The team also agreed to a $1.2 million deal with 16-year-old, Venezuelan SS Andres Gimenez, according to MLB.com’s Jesse Sanchez (July 2, 2015). The $3 million in signings will put the Mets over their league-allocated $2.5 million bonus, meaning they’ll have to pay a tax on the $500,000 difference. “Guerrero has looseness to his swing and above average bat speed and power projection,” former MLB scout and FanGraphs contributor Kiley McDaniel said in April, noting that Guerrero could eventually end up at third base. According to ESPN.com, Guerrero is the 10th-best international free agent available during this year’s signing period. “He has good feel right now for both hitting and fielding,” ESPN’s Eric Longenhagen writes. “He lacks the explosive athleticism and arm strength to play shortstop and won’t have the physicality of a middle-of-a-lineup hitter because his frame is on the small side, but Guerrero is otherwise solid across the board.” “Guerrero could be an average regular or slightly above that, and he’ll move through a team’s system quicker than the other players in this class even though he’s among its youngest.” Meanwhile, “Gimenez has all the indicators at a young age that he’ll be the next savvy and toolsy Venezuelan shortstop to become a top prospect,” McDaniel recently said. MLB.com ranked Gimenez the 15th-best player available, however Baseball America’s Ben Badler ranked him second overall. “He’s 5-foot-11, 165 pounds with a sweet swing that works in games, above-average speed and the potential for average to above-average defense at shortstop,” according to Badler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 So, repeating, you don't have a remote clue. True. I don't have a clue about the trades that Sandy didn't make, so we should all assume that he made every correct decision on said hypothetical non-trades and the current roster is merely an unfortunate side effect of those excellent decisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 True. I don't have a clue about the trades that Sandy didn't make, so we should all assume that he made every correct decision on said hypothetical non-trades and the current roster is merely an unfortunate side effect of those excellent decisions. The roster is also a side effect of injuries to the line-up-Wright, Murphy, d'Arnaud. The Mets roster line-up wasn't loaded to start, and with that trio missing a bulk of games and a degraded Cuddyer, they certainly lack pop. No fooling. But to suggest that Alderson can quickly concoct a trade and bats will come flying in to save the season is farcical thinking at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 The roster is also a side effect of injuries to the line-up-Wright, Murphy, d'Arnaud. The Mets roster line-up wasn't loaded to start, and with that trio missing a bulk of games and a degraded Cuddyer, they certainly lack pop. No fooling. But to suggest that Alderson can quickly concoct a trade and bats will come flying in to save the season is farcical thinking at best. I'm not suggesting that Alderson has to go get Mike Trout, but he needs to go get a professional shortstop at the least. To say that the Mets have a top-5 minor league system and then suggest that Alderson is hamstrung as it relates to improving the big-league roster is a contradiction. The Mets don't make deals because they're pocketing cash, and Alderson is serving as the front man for this charade. Harvey and deGrom are Minaya's, so Alderson doesn't get any credit for the two best players on the roster. D'Arnaud might be good, but he came here with the reputation of being brittle, which he's confirmed with great violence. Wright hasn't been healthy for three years. Sandy doesn't get a pass because his injury-prone players get injured. The cheeky "What me worry?" act he puts on at the trade deadline is despicable, and an insult to the fans. It's one thing for the Wilpons to be broke, but it's another thing to pretend the fans are idiots for pointing out that very obvious fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 He has been the biggest disappointment. He can not handle a fastball up to save his life. He used to be such a clutch hitter with men in scoring position with quality at bats. Now he fishes out of the strike zone and grounds into DP's. Conforto can't come fast enough. It's so bizarre. He was a good hitter for a long enough period of time. That trade made enough sense when they did it. Comes to Shea and all of a sudden can't hit anything to save his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I'm not suggesting that Alderson has to go get Mike Trout, but he needs to go get a professional shortstop at the least. To say that the Mets have a top-5 minor league system and then suggest that Alderson is hamstrung as it relates to improving the big-league roster is a contradiction. The Mets don't make deals because they're pocketing cash, and Alderson is serving as the front man for this charade. Harvey and deGrom are Minaya's, so Alderson doesn't get any credit for the two best players on the roster. D'Arnaud might be good, but he came here with the reputation of being brittle, which he's confirmed with great violence. Wright hasn't been healthy for three years. Sandy doesn't get a pass because his injury-prone players get injured. The cheeky "What me worry?" act he puts on at the trade deadline is despicable, and an insult to the fans. It's one thing for the Wilpons to be broke, but it's another thing to pretend the fans are idiots for pointing out that very obvious fact. Right, but the gap in all of your posts is and has always been value. You can't go out and demand that Alderson trade Harvey for anything less than what he's worth. You can't pound your fists and demand that he trade Thor or Matz for an elite hitter or an elite hitting prospect because another team has to be willing to give that up. Your argument is and has always been: "There HAS to be someone willing to give that up!" And like your willful omissions of anything injury related in any criticism of the Mets this year, you also ignore that this year's trade market is FLOODED with good pitching. There is simply no incentive for any GM to empty their own coffers for any of our pitchers. It's a simple question you've been asked time and time again: Who should they trade for and what should they give up for that? And what is the incentive for team B do that when they have other options on the table? He NEEDS to go get a professional shortstop. OK. Who? And for what? Aside from Harvey for Zobrist, which I refuse to believe you think is a good idea, you have no answer. The reason for this is because every argument you make is theoretical, and it ignores any reality or practical aspect of what the trade market is right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Right, but the gap in all of your posts is and has always been value. You can't go out and demand that Alderson trade Harvey for anything less than what he's worth. You can't pound your fists and demand that he trade Thor or Matz for an elite hitter or an elite hitting prospect because another team has to be willing to give that up. Your argument is and has always been: "There HAS to be someone willing to give that up!" And like your willful omissions of anything injury related in any criticism of the Mets this year, you also ignore that this year's trade market is FLOODED with good pitching. There is simply no incentive for any GM to empty their own coffers for any of our pitchers. It's a simple question you've been asked time and time again: Who should they trade for and what should they give up for that? And what is the incentive for team B do that when they have other options on the table? He NEEDS to go get a professional shortstop. OK. Who? And for what? Aside from Harvey for Zobrist, which I refuse to believe you think is a good idea, you have no answer. The reason for this is because every argument you make is theoretical, and it ignores any reality or practical aspect of what the trade market is right now. If we liken this team to the team of the 80's, this is 1984. We all realize that Kelvin Chapman and John Gibbons is not going to be enough. And there is a lot of other talent around them. But you can't force a trade, just to make a trade. It has to have value as you say. The Mets DO need a Keith Hernandez type acquisition, but those don't grow on trees. There is opportunity, assets and a little luck that have to happen also. Alderson is not one to knee jerk, and that has proven well so far. There are 20 other teams that still feel they are in this race for playoffs also, right now. There is a reason you do not see trades happening right now. It is a game of poker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Right, but the gap in all of your posts is and has always been value. You can't go out and demand that Alderson trade Harvey for anything less than what he's worth. You can't pound your fists and demand that he trade Thor or Matz for an elite hitter or an elite hitting prospect because another team has to be willing to give that up. Your argument is and has always been: "There HAS to be someone willing to give that up!" And like your willful omissions of anything injury related in any criticism of the Mets this year, you also ignore that this year's trade market is FLOODED with good pitching. There is simply no incentive for any GM to empty their own coffers for any of our pitchers. It's a simple question you've been asked time and time again: Who should they trade for and what should they give up for that? And what is the incentive for team B do that when they have other options on the table? He NEEDS to go get a professional shortstop. OK. Who? And for what? Aside from Harvey for Zobrist, which I refuse to believe you think is a good idea, you have no answer. The reason for this is because every argument you make is theoretical, and it ignores any reality or practical aspect of what the trade market is right now. Baseball trades usually aren't like NFL or NBA trades where there's a ton of agent/GM saber-rattling beforehand. There just isn't a whole lot of transparency related to the far majority of these deals, and--especially on the fan level--there isn't a whole lot of foreknowledge for anything, so playing the "Oh yeah, WHO?" card is silly. No one knew that the Braves would trade Kimbrel until it happened. No one knew the A's would move Cespedes last year. Particularly with in-season deals, they come together quickly and people find out about them from a Buster Olney tweet after the fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 And, again, you can't say that Sandy has put together a fertile farm system AND say that he can't pull off a decent trade to upgrade the MLB roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 And, again, you can't say that Sandy has put together a fertile farm system AND say that he can't pull off a decent trade to upgrade the MLB roster. Again. A trade market is determined by supply and demand. This is basic sh*t here. There's a reason why the consensus in this thread is that you're talking crazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 If we liken this team to the team of the 80's, this is 1984. We all realize that Kelvin Chapman and John Gibbons is not going to be enough. And there is a lot of other talent around them. But you can't force a trade, just to make a trade. It has to have value as you say. The Mets DO need a Keith Hernandez type acquisition, but those don't grow on trees. There is opportunity, assets and a little luck that have to happen also. Alderson is not one to knee jerk, and that has proven well so far. There are 20 other teams that still feel they are in this race for playoffs also, right now. There is a reason you do not see trades happening right now. It is a game of poker This year in particular too. How many starting pitchers are on the block not even counting the Mets? 10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 And, again, you can't say that Sandy has put together a fertile farm system AND say that he can't pull off a decent trade to upgrade the MLB roster. The farm system was barren of positional players as Sandy came in. he has gone the route (with the exception of Conforto) of drafting players at the HS level, in his own image. Whether that will work or not, remains to be seen. The Mets have a number of nice trade chips (middle relievers and starters), in order to facilitate a trade. That does not mean they jump at the first offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 This year in particular too. How many starting pitchers are on the block not even counting the Mets? 10? I actually believe that the Mets position of strength of trade is in their relievers. Between Familia, Black, Mejia, Parnell, (and there are others) along with a Plawecki, they should get a nice return. BUT, it has to be for the right player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Again. A trade market is determined by supply and demand. This is basic sh*t here. There's a reason why the consensus in this thread is that you're talking crazy. You and Dierking are in the deep minority with this. Deep deep deep. Heyman was on the FAN today talking about Sandy's malfeasance. You and Dierking are the only ones who believe that the Mets are somehow incapable of making a reasonable MLB trade, and that sitting around for another 18 months until Conforto is ready is how they should proceed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 The farm system was barren of positional players as Sandy came in. he has gone the route (with the exception of Conforto) of drafting players at the HS level, in his own image. Whether that will work or not, remains to be seen. The Mets have a number of nice trade chips (middle relievers and starters), in order to facilitate a trade. That does not mean they jump at the first offer. Dude, the first offer? How many years have they spent sitting on their hands? The phrase "Mets are showing interest in..." has become a punchline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 I actually believe that the Mets position of strength of trade is in their relievers. Between Familia, Black, Mejia, Parnell, (and there are others) along with a Plawecki, they should get a nice return. BUT, it has to be for the right player. My fear is that we trade for one of the Rockies and then they leave Colorado and crap out as usual. Citi is just where hitters come to die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 You and Dierking are in the deep minority with this. Deep deep deep. Heyman was on the FAN today talking about Sandy's malfeasance. You and Dierking are the only ones who believe that the Mets are somehow incapable of making a reasonable MLB trade, and that sitting around for another 18 months until Conforto is ready is how they should proceed.Dude, you're the one interpreting what anyone is saying as the Mets can't make a trade. Nobody has said that. Not once. There are about 10 players worth trading Matt Harvey for. You're the one saying that Alderson should just whip up his magic trade batter and make an opposing GM give one of them up. Or even worse, overpay. You are most certainly not in the group of reasonable of fans that want something. That's us actually, not you. We have been talking about trades we'd like to see this entire thread. You've blamed Alderson for d'Arnoud getting hurt on a freak tag and Wright having spinal stenosis. Like 3 pages back you wanted Zobrist for Harvey for ****'s sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Today so far is example where our starters have no room for error- lack of support in the field and at the plate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Dude, you're the one interpreting what anyone is saying as the Mets can't make a trade. Nobody has said that. Not once. There are about 10 players worth trading Matt Harvey for. You're the one saying that Alderson should just whip up his magic trade batter and make an opposing GM give one of them up. Or even worse, overpay. You are most certainly not in the group of reasonable of fans that want something. That's us actually, not you. We have been talking about trades we'd like to see this entire thread. You've blamed Alderson for d'Arnoud getting hurt on a freak tag and Wright having spinal stenosis. Like 3 pages back you wanted Zobrist for Harvey for ****'s sake. Zobrist for Harvey whaaaaaaat I posited the framework of a potential Harvey trade whereby they'd reap an All-Star and a package of minor leaguers including the pearls of that team's organization. It's you and Dierking who are admiring Sandy's "patience" while watching a quartet of hot, young pitchers suffer with Wilmer Flores and Ruben Tejada playing kickball behind them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Today so far is example where our starters have no room for error- lack of support in the field and at the plate Ed Coleman (who lives in the Mets clubhouse) told Francesa yesterday that while the pitching staff is saying all the right things publicly (about the defense and run support), they're starting to show some cracks behind the scenes. You'd think it'd be in the Mets best interest to avoid antagonizing a pack of young Scott Boras clients, especially when the owner of the franchise is walking around with a WIC card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 Zobrist for Harvey whaaaaaaat I posited the framework of a potential Harvey trade whereby they'd reap an All-Star and a package of minor leaguers including the pearls of that team's organization. It's you and Dierking who are admiring Sandy's "patience" while watching a quartet of hot, young pitchers suffer with Wilmer Flores and Ruben Tejada playing kickball behind them. No you didn't. You posed a clown shoes scenario where the Mets take 50 cents on the dollar. If the Scott Kazmir and Nolan Ryan deals had sex with each other and produced a disabled baby, it would be your deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted July 2, 2015 Share Posted July 2, 2015 No you didn't. You posed a clown shoes scenario where the Mets take 50 cents on the dollar. If the Scott Kazmir and Nolan Ryan deals had sex with each other and produced a disabled baby, it would be your deal. First of all, the fact that Dierking fav'ed this is disgusting. Secondly, my scenario was Todd Frazier and the best of the Reds prospects for Harvey, whom is going to arbitration next year, meaning that Fred and Jeffy will probably murder him in his sleep anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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