peekskill68 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Allen is NOT versatile. Yeah he played CB last year, but that doesn't make him versatile, cuz he stunk at it. Allen is versatile as a hybrid small LB/safety type guy. He has shown he can cover TE's and tackle. He is overmatched on the outside as a CB which is why Macc paid up for Revis and Cro (and hopefully McDougle/Milliner at some point) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Mariotta is not making it to #6. We'd have to trade up for him. He won't be the Geno of 2015 (once slated to be the first overall pick, doesn't even become the first QB selected and takes a huge fall). Who do you figure is taking him earlier than 6? Titans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I agree that he is not necessarily versatile, but I don't think he stunk so bad. I just think he seems like a big guy that can cover decently in man. He also blew coverage a bit - most notably giving up that bomb to Vereen. He was awful at CB, awful. Hopefully he learned something for his move back to safety. The fact he even had to play CB and STARTED was reason enough to let Idzik hit the bricks. Good lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 He was awful at CB, awful. Hopefully he learned something for his move back to safety. The fact he even had to play CB and STARTED was reason enough to let Idzik hit the bricks. Good lord. He is not a good CB, but that does not make him a bad cover S. He can play most TEs very well and he does a good job of keeping the WR in front of him and making the tackle. He was the opening day starter. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Who do you figure is taking him earlier than 6? Titans? Titans, Deadskins, or maybe another QB needy team like the Browns could trade up ahead of us to select him. All I know is if we were in love with Mariotta, we'd have to trade a couple of spots up to select him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I like Antonio Allen. I think he's going to see playing time at LB in dime packages. Me too. 2nd time I've mostly agreed with you in as many days. Not sure about the LB thing though. I usually wind up arguing with people. A nice change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Lol. Pryor, a 2nd year player who was not as bad as fans try and make out, will not be going anywhere mate. He'll likely start alongside Gilchrist. CB#1 : Revis CB #2 : Skrine CB #3: Cromartie CB #4: Milliner/McDougle CB #5: McDougle/Milliner SS: Pryor (the only big hitter in the secondary) FS: Gilchrist (Was a CB coming out) We may be dissapointed to some degree or another in Milliner (injuries), McDougle (injury) and Pryor (alone in a sh*theap D-backfield in 2014), but they're not going anywhere, nor should they. At worst, they make solid depth players. In today's all-pass NFL, it's not the worst thing to have potentially the deepest/best D-backfield in the NFL, is it? Cro will start ahead of Skrine. In fact I'd say Milliner could even move ahead of him if he improves some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckkieB Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Another solid signing by the Jets. It seems that this new regime has a plan and is executing it to the letter. As a Jets fan, I can't remember a time during the offseason that has been this enjoyable in a long, long time. After the last few years, we deserve it, Jets fans! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Allen is NOT versatile. Yeah he played CB last year, but that doesn't make him versatile, cuz he stunk at it. Because he didn't excel at it does not mean he's not versatile. He had good games and bad games. There are safeties that can't even back pedal. Allen can do that all day. He's a good guy to have on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Lol. Pryor, a 2nd year player who was not as bad as fans try and make out, will not be going anywhere mate. He'll likely start alongside Gilchrist. CB#1 : Revis CB #2 : Skrine CB #3: Cromartie CB #4: Milliner/McDougle CB #5: McDougle/Milliner SS: Pryor (the only big hitter in the secondary) FS: Gilchrist (Was a CB coming out) We may be dissapointed to some degree or another in Milliner (injuries), McDougle (injury) and Pryor (alone in a sh*theap D-backfield in 2014), but they're not going anywhere, nor should they. At worst, they make solid depth players. In today's all-pass NFL, it's not the worst thing to have potentially the deepest/best D-backfield in the NFL, is it? Just hit me that we have 7 first rounders on D that's 65-70% of the D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Lol. Pryor, a 2nd year player who was not as bad as fans try and make out, will not be going anywhere mate. He'll likely start alongside Gilchrist. CB#1 : Revis CB #2 : Skrine CB #3: Cromartie CB #4: Milliner/McDougle CB #5: McDougle/Milliner SS: Pryor (the only big hitter in the secondary) FS: Gilchrist (Was a CB coming out) We may be dissapointed to some degree or another in Milliner (injuries), McDougle (injury) and Pryor (alone in a sh*theap D-backfield in 2014), but they're not going anywhere, nor should they. At worst, they make solid depth players. In today's all-pass NFL, it's not the worst thing to have potentially the deepest/best D-backfield in the NFL, is it? Don't forget Marcus Williams he played well enough to definitely compete for the fourth spot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I don't the the staff is expecting anything from Milliner. His injury is severe particularly for a CB. Teams would pick on him constantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neckdemon Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I was thinking 100% like you (Fowler/Beasley/Ray) at 6. But the more I read about what MacBowles is doing the less certain I am. I get the sense that Coples is going back to the line and that we're going to use 2 run stop LB's (Harris and Davis) and 5 in the secondary. Of the 5 many of these guys are hybrids who can blitz the QB, cover TE/RB in pass protection and hold their own in run defense. Guys like Jarrett/Pryor/Gilchrist/Allen are in many ways the same type of player. I have no clue how the old guys Pace and Babin fit in. I'm thinking now Macc is going offense at 6. I wouldn't be surprised if he took Marriota if he's there. Or Cooper or White... i doubt it. the qb will bew the winner between smith and fitzpatrick. we might draft a qb 2nd or 3rd round to develop. mariota wont be a jet. the pick will either be olb or wr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papz187 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Cro will start ahead of Skrine. In fact I'd say Milliner could even move ahead of him if he improves some. Exactly. Just look at the size of Cro's deal (it's basically the same deal he got from us in 2011 if recall correctly). Not to mention Cro isn't and can't play nickel, he isn't built for that. He is a tall, long corner that plays press. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papz187 Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 If you hate rap like I hate rap then do your ears a favor and mute this and just watch https://youtu.be/yfEYibnUGws The guy must be able to hit. Did you notice the fumble he forced against Cinncy was on Ben Jarvis Green-Ellis? That guy I don't think fumbled once his time in NE (I know, I know, deflate gate lol) but none the less he fumbles less than any RB in the NFL and Gilchrist knocked it right out of his hands. If this guy can play center field than we found ourselves one hell of a fit to compliment our corners and Pryor/Allen at SS. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 Allen is NOT versatile. Yeah he played CB last year, but that doesn't make him versatile, cuz he stunk at it.he had some early success there but I'm more in agreement on your end. Allen has a bit of mysticism about him though. Cro has raved about how ultra talented he is. His play warranted him by a lot of draft experts to be a third-fourth round guy who goes in the 7th w a slow 40. He's one of the few guys to have success against Gronk and, although eventually exposed, played a few solid games at CB. For a guy who played almost exclusively in the box at SC. I could see him starting but I could see him getting cut too. Who knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
operaguy Posted March 13, 2015 Share Posted March 13, 2015 I don't know why the transactions of the past few days suggest that we will go OLB or Offense at #6. If anything the emphasis on the secondary suggests we go Trae Waynes at #6 if he's available. Everyone thought that Bellichick was crazy for picking and then starting two pass catching tight ends (i.e. Hernendez and Gronk). Maybe Bowles is trying to do something similar but with cornerbacks. Perhaps we'll see something like 7 secondary, 1 linebacker, and 3 linemen on most downs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I'm getting the distinct impression that bowles did not like the existing secondary Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I don't the the staff is expecting anything from Milliner. His injury is severe particularly for a CB. Teams would pick on him constantly. True dat. They will probably ease him back into the rotation. It just may revive his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetmech Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I think it's prob why they considered Harris such a priority too. With 6 DBs your MLB better be able to play the run (tackle/sift through garbage/POA/read diognose etc) Again, Rex had to compensate for no secondary by using Harris as well as other LB's in space. Hopefully Harris is back to filling gaps rather than covering WR's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetmech Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I'm getting the distinct impression that bowles did not like the existing secondary I sense you're on to something... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brown Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 agree warfish................ With getting Vet older QB in Fitz who 100% knows Chans systems, aka he 'can' play DayOne and not hurt us if Mariota has growing pains, it tells me Mariota is the pick..... mariota will be given chance to pull a RussWilson in camp and blow folks away and start Day One, but if not, he can study/grow a year cause we have someone who knows the playbook solid and w/our D can game manage us to 10-11 Ws in 2015 ,while Mariota 99% takes over in 2016 w/Fitz backing him up. Geno I assume, his days are over. This would be ideal and would further cement the fact that the HC and FO are working together and know what they are doing for a change. They have a coherent plan... AMAZING ISN'T IT!!! For people to actually complain that the Jets are spending MONEY on the worst roster in the NFL offensively and yes even defensively over the last few is simply MINDBOGGLING!! We sucked and WE HAVE TO SPEND MONEY TO GET BETTER!!! Some of you don't see that..... Come on Guys, you are smarter then this!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Good grief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Wow - sure hope Mac knows what he's doing because I dont think I've ever seen a team spend so much and commit so much to a secondary. There was a time when building an offense around the forward pass and a QB was madness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I'm getting the distinct impression that bowles did not like the existing secondary I would pay $100 to just see his face (Bowles) when he watch highlights, I mean lowlights, of the Jets secondary last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 I'm getting the distinct impression that bowles did not like the existing secondary Bowles and Rex run a similar defense. The new GM, however, understands that this system needs players in the secondary. And I don't how great of a defensive coach you are; you aren't going to be able to stop the pass when you're starting an UDFA at one CB spot and a college LB at the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunnie Posted March 14, 2015 Share Posted March 14, 2015 Bust .? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talontsi194 Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Has he actually signed? I haven't seen any contract details. If he did signed what did the jets pay him? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 .? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk My post, not Gilchrist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 Anyone have the breakup of the contracts of Gilchrist and Cromartie. Haven't seen those ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morrissey Posted March 15, 2015 Share Posted March 15, 2015 I don't think either deal has been officially announced yet but, it's been reported Gilchrist got 4-year/$22M deal with $8.5M of that guaranteed and Cromartie got four years/$32 million, no word yet how much guaranteed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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