Klecko73isGod Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 http://www.dawgsbynature.com/2015/4/1/8328513/espns-chris-mortensen-browns-90-percent-done-with-manziel The Browns are a dumpster fire. Money quote: "When they were putting together half of a new offensive staff, Manziel's name barely even came up in conversation." Would it be an offseason without national media members weighing in on the Browns' futility? ESPN's Chris Mortensen became the latest expert to express his views on Johnny Manziel, Ray Farmer, and Textgate in a guest appearance on ESPN's Mike & Mike radio show on Tuesday. Mortensen took a fairly pessimistic stance on the current state of affairs in Berea. According to the ESPN reporter, the Browns have largely moved on from Manziel, Farmer's reputation is damaged, and the first four weeks of the season could be treacherous without a general manager at the helm. Several other prominent members of the media (looking at you, JLC) have dished out criticism of the Browns in the past year, but Mortensen's words carry considerable weight. Mortensen began the Browns segment by talking about the club's commitment to Manziel: "I think about 90 percent that they have moved on [from Manziel] in their own minds except that they really don't know who they're going to get when Johnny leaves rehab, which has been an extended stay — a two-month stay. He should be getting out sometime in the first week of April if they're satisfied that he's ready to go out and get into society and that whatever deep-rooted problems that he had has been addressed. OK, now he's part of your depth chart. You have Josh McCown." The ESPN NFL Insider then delved into the Browns' fascination with Eagles quarterbackSam Bradford. "Yes, the Browns were the team, with the second first round pick, 19th pick, that talked to the Rams about that pick in trying to acquire Sam Bradford. But there was no quarterback they could send to St. Louis in return. Nick Foles was the obvious one and Bradford is somebody that the Eagles and [head coach] Chip Kelly have Mark Sanchez as a placeholder until Sam Bradford is healthy, and so I don't think Bradford is going to be available. They would like him to sign an extension, something he wouldn't have done had he gone to Cleveland. So I don't see why Cleveland could sit there and give up a first-round draft pick for somebody who's not inclined to sign an extension. All of these things are in discussion. If we were sitting around the living room, we'd be kicking all this stuff around." Mortensen ended his view on the Browns' quarterback situation with this interesting nugget of information: "The bottom line is that Johnny Manziel's future with the Browns has been in question. When they were putting together half of a new offensive staff, Manziel's name barely even came up in conversation." If Mortensen's reporting is correct, this is a telling piece of intel. If the Browns have written off Manziel as a quarterback, how far will they go to acquire one in the upcoming NFL Draft? Speaking of the draft, Mortensen explained the NFL's decision not to take away picks from the Browns for Textgate. Some NFL teams are reportedly frustrated that the Browns didn't receive a stiffer punishment. However, in Mortensen's eyes, the punishment was just right. "I don't think it was lighter. [With] Ray Farmer's reputation, forever, when people look up Ray Farmer, they're going to see that he was suspended for four games ... People will say 'It's during the time when they don't do much.' In September, well, we don't know who their starting quarterback will be, what if they lose their staring quarterback? What if they lose their left tackle, Joe Thomas? What if you lose a couple of other players? You always have something that comes up that involves the general manager. Now, they're fortunate that Bill Kuharich and Ron Hill both have been in that seat before, that they can work through that. But, to me, Ray Farmer loses a month's pay, he has his reputation stained, probably forever. His text messages that went to a coach or two in the booth were deemed not to be a competitive matter, kind of like you would say, 'Why aren't we throwing deep?' Shouldn't we be playing #2?' ... I don't think it merited anything greater than this." Mortensen brings up a valid point. An NFL general manager is less active in September, but Farmer might miss out on critical decisions during his suspensions. Also, Farmer's reputation is forever damaged. However, Farmer's image can certainly be repaired if the Browns win under his watch. As a whole, Mortensen's words are a bit sobering. Manziel's opportunity might have already passed him by, and Farmer's transgressions might cost the team more than just $250,000. What will the future bring for these troubled men? Only time will tell, but the upcoming NFL Draft will certainly lend some clues. The full audio from Mortensen's guest appearance is available here. H/T to DBN commenter Bizono for the story idea and to Randy Miller of NJ.com for the transcript of a portion of the interview. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cant wait Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Good, screw them and that rat pettine too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Harris Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Manziel is not an nfl player even sober- Pettine was an ok guy, don't wish I'll upon him but also neither luck. Cleveland's tortured fan base makes the Jets' look like the Yankees comparatively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 The kid has talent. If he can clean himself up and commit himself to improving his game then he could be a decent back up and perhaps one day get that one opportunity in game to show he can play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 The Cleveland Browns: Still 10% stupid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Cleveland's tortured fan base makes the Jets' look like the Yankees comparatively. Not really. Haslam just got here. Our owner has been actively involved and stupid for fifteen years. Randy Lerner wasn't the greatest owner but you can do far worse than benign neglect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 How do you 90% move on from a player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 How do you 90% move on from a player? That has to be the worst headline going - the intern must have wrote it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe W. Namath Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Jets should offer a 6th fo him and throw him in the qb battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Well we do not have a 6th round pick- Manziel in New York- disaster waiting to happen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Jets should offer a 6th fo him and throw him in the qb battle. Not a bad idea. If Manziel stops partying and remembers the plays he can be better than Geno and Fitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted April 2, 2015 Author Share Posted April 2, 2015 Not really. Haslam just got here. Our owner has been actively involved and stupid for fifteen years. Randy Lerner wasn't the greatest owner but you can do far worse than benign neglect. I know Woody is far from being the best owner in the NFL but the Jets have been the playoffs 6 times in the 15 years he has owned the club as opposed to 8 times in their 40 years of existence prior to his ownership. The Jets haven't been to the playoffs in 4 years now. OK. They won two playoff games that year. 8 teams, 1/4 of the league, currently have longer playoff droughts. 16 teams, half the league, have gone longer since winning a playoff game than the Jets, including 3 that have playoff win droughts of 20 or more years and another two that haven't won a playoff game this millennium. Things could be significantly worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Jets should offer a 6th fo him and throw him in the qb battle. Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peebag Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I don't get what the big fuss is - they took a chance on a qb and failed - the rookie salary cap makes these types of transactions a lot less painful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Not a bad idea. If Manziel stops partying and remembers the plays he can be better than Geno and Fitz. Better odds that Geno and Fitz stop being bleh football players, than Manziel suddenly not being a piece of sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fltflo Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 No doubt if he can get serious about his profession and leave the substance abuse behind, old Jerry Jones might give him an opportunity to back up Romo and maybe one day be a starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 My 17 year old son texted me Johnny Beerball after Cleveland drafted him. hahahah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Nope. 6 is high to guarantee unwanted drama this season. This is a no go for me anything higher than an 8. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetdawgg Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Seems like they cannot give him away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 That has to be the worst headline going - the intern must have wrote it I bet Pettine is like..."I 90% regret taking this job"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Better odds that Geno and Fitz stop being bleh football players, than Manziel suddenly not being a piece of sh*t. Would you support the jets getting Manziel if he killed dogs instead of partying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I bet Pettine is like..."I 90% regret taking this job"! Pettine is on his way to a DC job somewhere in 2016. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Pettine is on his way to a DC job somewhere in 2016. He'd probably look at that as an upgrade. Don't have to worry about undermining texts lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 How do you 90% move on from a player? If Manziel never takes another snap in CLE, Mortenson takes the credit. If Manziel becomes a hero, Mortenson again tells is he never fully doubted Manziel n that deep down Inside, he always thought Manziel can become a legitimate NFL QB. Win win. That's how. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 That has to be the worst headline going - the intern must have wrote it No I didnt. Did I? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Would you support the jets getting Manziel if he killed dogs instead of partying? I was one of the most vocal members of this site criticizing the Vick acquisition. Even during the season, I was rooting for Geno to start and for us to keep losing, rather than seeing Vick "spark" the offense and save Rex. So, you aren't making much of a point with this response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I was one of the most vocal members of this site criticizing the Vick acquisition. Even during the season, I was rooting for Geno to start and for us to keep losing, rather than seeing Vick "spark" the offense and save Rex. So, you aren't making much of a point with this response. Sounds like you hated Rex more than the dog killer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I know Woody is far from being the best owner in the NFL but the Jets have been the playoffs 6 times in the 15 years he has owned the club as opposed to 8 times in their 40 years of existence prior to his ownership. The Jets haven't been to the playoffs in 4 years now. OK. They won two playoff games that year. 8 teams, 1/4 of the league, currently have longer playoff droughts. 16 teams, half the league, have gone longer since winning a playoff game than the Jets, including 3 that have playoff win droughts of 20 or more years and another two that haven't won a playoff game this millennium. Things could be significantly worse. You need to shut it on up, sir. The Jets are the worstest and I refuse to hear different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted April 2, 2015 Author Share Posted April 2, 2015 You need to shut it on up, sir. The Jets are the worstest and I refuse to hear different. Our fanbase's self loathing never ceases to amaze and amuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Our fanbase's self loathing never ceases to amaze and amuse. WORST EVER IN THE HISTORY OF SPORTS. AND THATS THE WAY IT WILL ALWAYS BE! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 The kid has talent. If he can clean himself up and commit himself to improving his game then he could be a decent back up and perhaps one day get that one opportunity in game to show he can play. I don[t see the body---or the arm, for that matter. Saw a lot of wobble in his throws last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 How do you 90% move on from a player? They still like the shin, ankle and foot on his right leg, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Manziel is not an nfl player even sober- Pettine was an ok guy, don't wish I'll upon him but also neither luck. Cleveland's tortured fan base makes the Jets' look like the Yankees comparatively. The Browns were one of the FEW teams that realistically considered Manziel a potential franchise QB. I saw him as too small and too much of a me guy to be an effective leader, unless it was leading their best player WR Josh Gordon to a year long suspension. Johnny came, Johnny saw, Johnny Walker Red was consumed as was his brief career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThisYearsModel Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Trade Geno to them for the #19 pick after taking Mariota? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsRay Posted April 3, 2015 Share Posted April 3, 2015 Jets should offer a 6th fo him and throw him in the qb battle. We don't have a 6th, as of right now, and no, that would be stupid at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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