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Stannis the f*cking Mannis.

 

Rightful King of the Seven Kingdoms and Father of the Year.

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They did a great job that episode of making Stannis likable.  He is who he is.  Stone cold, unflexible, stick up his a$$.  And, for the love of the 7 gods, don't F with his KID!!

 

And... pretty much confirmed... John Snow is NOT Ned's kid.

 

They've butchered Stannis' book character until this season, to the detriment of the show. I know a lot of people who didn't care for him at all when he's probably one of top two or three most loved character from the books. I guess they decided they couldn't keep portraying him as a dick when he's about to try and take out the most evil family in the series. Been the best thing about this season thus far by a distance.

 

Jon is the son of HODOR. It is known.

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From what i hearing from people who have read the books this season is progressing very fast and some interesting characters are getting left out. So the book readers are not completely satisfied.

 

 

 

They've pretty much skipped a book in some areas, most of Feast for Crows was cut seemingly. Some other storylines are pretty much entirely caught up. They were obviously going to have to cut something but I think they've filtered out some of the wrong stuff. 

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Man with the book people. The first rule of if you've read GoT is never shut up about what happens in the books to people who haven't read the books.

 

If it makes you feel better the show is already spoiling the books and will finish beforehand.

 

I've only read them recently and nothing has been spoiled. Jon's parentage is a still a mystery. Nothing has been revealed or ruled out. 

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It doesn't. It was a dick move what you just did. Not surprised, but still a dick move. Pretty obvious this thread was about the show.

 

What the **** is your problem? What do you mean you're "not surprised"? Who are you to randomly give me sh*t over nothing and tell me what I can or can't say? **** off.

 

This show wouldn't exist without the ******* books. There are practically no spoilers left and nothing has been spoiled here. Saying Jon Snow is Hodor's son is akin to saying Hot Pie is Ned's daughter.

 

Stop being such a bitch. 

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I didn't know that. It would have been a big surprise had it happened in the show. Now if it happens, it's not a surprise. That's kind of exactly what a spoiler is. And you did it because the book people need to brag about how they read a series of books that require an 8th grade reading level. Congrats.

Book readers don't know it either. You've convinced yourself it's a spoiler when it isn't. There's obviously significance in Jon's parentage and I knew that before I'd read the book, through his unknown mother at least. I still don't know if Ned is Jon's father or not. I started reading the books when I flat out read a guy on twitter say Tyrion kills Tywin. That actually happens, that is a spoiler. Then you get equally pissed at me for making an obvious joke while referencing or implying absolutely nothing. Just paranoia to the extreme and ironically you've managed to make actually make this thread far more spoilerish (at least by your standards) than before. Congrats.

And **** off with this general insulting of book fans. Seriously. The show only exists because people read the books.

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There is literally nothing in book 4 or 5 about it.  Book 4 wastes hundreds of pages on the iron born, it is one of the most boring things I have ever read. 

 

That's like saying your a Rutgers person, so you're a dick.  Which could be true, since I also went to Rutgers.

I actually loved the Iron Born, Damphair aside, and hate that they were cut. I preffered them to the Martells, Oberyn aside and they've cut their main book characters too, so no idea what's going to happen in Dorne. Hopefully the Sand Snakes die for the sake of acting.

Cutting the Manderly's really hurt, especially as it would have been pretty effortless to include. Of all the things cut I can't think of anything that would have ensured two absolutely brilliant TV scenes more than White Harbour.

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The Dorne story is some of the worst television I have ever seen in my life.

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The battle was fap worthy. But it's pretty obvious the writers are just regarding any and all logic at this point. Nothing makes sense.

 

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Agree that there'll certainly be some sort of spin off towards the end - As RJF said there's too much money to be made for there to be nothing. There's endless potential to the series with the source material they have. There could be movies made with it, remakes with omitted book plots included, pretty much anything down the line. 

Robert's Rebellion would be the most likely spin-off although we may see some of that in Bran's visions anyways. 

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That was absolutely awesome.

They paid the book readers back by putting a lot of the omitted stuff in with a different context ("Fire and Blood", Little birds with knives, Frey Pies, Wyman Manderly). Lyanna Morment and the atcress who plays her has been outstanding.

Cersei as queen was epic. She's got nothing to lose and all the power. Even Jaime looked terrified of the prospect. 

They've setup Dany vs Cersei and Jon vs Littlefinger brilliantly - The resentful look in LF's eyes as Jon was declared KITN was epic. 

Dany better run into some serious setbacks soon though because as it is she looks unstoppable. 

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On 28/06/2016 at 3:42 PM, chirorob said:

My long term predicitons.  This is just stuff I've been thinking on for a while, not from any website or book or anything other than my befuddled brain.

Jaime kills Cersei.  Maybe even, she sees the fleet coming, and like the Mad King before her, realizes she is doomed and wants to ignite more wild fire and burn the whole city.  Just as he saved the city before by killing his king, now he kills his sister to save it again. 

Khaleesi marries Jaime.  She will marry to solidify her power.  Who else is there?  I don't think she'd marry Jon, he's her nephew, and it just seems  wrong.  Tyrion may convince her what Jaime did was for the best, and Tyrion will not want his family utterly destroyed.  There are no men in Dorne for her to marry of any worth, nor are there any Tyrells.  Jon/ Sansa becomes the King of the North, but makes the same vows Ned made to Robert, and Robert would have made to Renley. 

The Hound becomes the leader of the Men without Banners, and gains the power of the flaming sword that Beric had several seasons ago. 

OK, rip it apart!!

I've long thought Jaime would kill Cersei that way. I actually thought Cersei was going to inadvertently burn down the city in the last episode as there's supposed to be Wildfire everywhere according to Jaime. Not sure Jaime will save the city this time though - Bran and Dany have both seen visions of a desolated, destroyed throne room. 

If Jaime were to end up with anyone it would be Brienne IMO. He's never been motivated by power either so I just don't think it would fit. Would like to see him meet Tyrion again though.

I have a feeling Sansa might betray Jon, based on nothing but that ominous look from LF and the music that played during it. He's basically taken a title that she should inherit by law and they've went out of their way to show that she doesn't fully trust him. 

The Hound hates fire, so don't think he'd want that sword. LOL. Hoping he meets up with Arya again. 

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16 hours ago, JiF said:

A couple of questions/thoughts from that episode.

Tyrion during the incest scene: they made a point to show him him and his look of concern.  Why?  Scared that love might stand in the way of conquering?  Otherwise, you think he'd be happy about it.  The whole season they built up the theory that Tyrion (and Varys) were concerned with Dany's moral code and sanity.  Now she's sleeping with the one guy who has any moral compass on the entire show.  Should be a good thing and help his cause for getting her to not go crazy, right? So why the concerned look? 

The nod to kill Jamie?  Did she tell the Mountain not to kill him even if she gives the order?  A bluff?  Jamie is her one weakness.  How that plays a factor now that he's a traitor is going to be pretty amazing considering their relationship being revealed was the catalyst for all the chaos.  

Theon and 2 row boats full of dudes are going to do what exactly?  

What did Hound mean when he said essentially you know whats coming for you?  Is he still seeing visions through the lord of light?  Speaking of which, where is the Red Bitch? 

Not sure how they wrap up the Great War and the War for Westerns in 8 episodes.  I feel like with Cersi lying, it elongates the storyline unless somehow that particular strategy is nipped in the butt before its executed which seems impossible considering the dragon blasting through the wall and the Army of the Dead south of the Wall.  It seems like they're going to have to solve a lot of conflict in a short period of time.  Unless of course Bran finally steps up and stops being the most worthless yet most powerful person alive all at the same time.

I genuinely think Tyrion may turn on Dany/Jon. He's too big a character not to have a bigger role in the end game than being a very poor advisor to Dany.  Him mentioning the obvious plot device of Cersei's pregnancy and Tyrion questioning Dany's succession plans could be his motivation. He may never support Cersei on the throne but I could see him supporting Jaime's son - A trueborn (albeit incestous one) Lannister to rule the 7 kingdoms. They played up his sub-conscious support for his family all season, especially during the field of fire episode. Tyrion is Tywin's son after all. It would be something I'd love to see but I think I'm giving D&D too much credit and the look was probably nothing, maybe Jorah's actor was busy.

The Hound was talking about the BOWL that was promised. Cleganebowl ******* confirmed for season 8. 

Jaime is most intriguing character in the show right now. Love that they finally cut him loose from Cersei, the symbolism of him in black, covering up the gold hand to go North to save the world. Awesome. Will be very interesting how the Starks receive him, Bran especially. 

They should have enough to wrap it up - They've absolutely blitzed through Season 7 which I didn't like at times but can see why it's necessary. There's still some horrendous writing at times but they payoff generally allows for it. Every episode will be like a movie from now on. 

What bothered me is Jon's name being Aegon. No mention that his brother was also called Aegon? 

 

 

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19 minutes ago, section314 said:

Don't forget the prophecy that the Witch in the forest gave to Cersei when she was a young girl.  1)  She will have 3 children, all of whom will die. Check   2) She will be replaced by a younger, more beautiful woman. Sansa or Dany?  3) She will be killed by a younger sibling. Remember, Jaime stated a throw away line in an episode in season 6, when He said that Cersei was born a few minutes before him.  

The show actually messed up the prophecy - In Season 1 she said that had a child that died in infancy.

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2 minutes ago, section314 said:

The new baby?

No, she had a scene with Catelyn in Season One and said she had a child with Robert.

 

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1 hour ago, section314 said:

Great scene. With how the character of Cersei has developed, though, as a ruthless liar and killer, don't you think that was just BS? Tyring to get sympathy from the Starks to cover up the fact that Bran is in that condition because of Jamie and her?

It would probably be too easy to disprove. Their husband's are best friends after all.

Lena Headey is so ******* good by the way. The acting is generally great in this show (Emilia Clarke the notable exception) but she stands out every time. 

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4 hours ago, JiF said:

It's not like he supported the first of Jamie's sons...but I see you point.  He does have a soft side for his nieces and nephews.  I can't imagine him turning on her now, especially with Jamie leaving Cersi and you assume sharing the info that she was bluffing and used Tyrion to orchestrate her master plan.

Looking forward to the Cleganbowl for sure.

I don't think Jamie is the most intriguing.  I think that honor goes to Bran or Arya.  Arya not so much intriguing but just a bad ass but Bran is way out there.  He's the most powerful person in the world and how he uses that power I think is the most important part of the whole story.  That said, Jamie's character development has been some of the best in the history of TV.  To go from probably the most hated to one of the most loved and how it happened, has been so fun to watch.  

This season felt a little rushed, I can't imagine what 6 episodes are going to look like....are they longer in duration?

 

 

He technically did - Served as his hand and was the reason Joffrey kept his crown at the Blackwater. If Joffrey wasn't such a **** he'd likely still be on Team Lannister. Maybe not, it would be tough for the show runners to pull off but I Tyrion has to do something hugely significant in the end game. He's too big a character to just be a bit part player, which he really has been since Season 4.

Get hype.

I know it's an unpopular opinion but I genuinely despise Arya. Worst character on the show by a lot IMO. Was my favourite character through season 4 but she's now less believable than the zombie dragon. Jaime is my boy - I think the Starks will want him killed or imprisoned for his past crimes when he arrives North only for Bran to actually defend him, ironically. He knows why he killed Aerys, the only other character who does is Brienne, he'll know he tried to keep his vow to Catelyn as well. Hopefully he can forgive the whole spine snapping thing. 

I think each of them are going to be huge. I really hope the Walkers aren't just defeated in the first few episodes. They really have to be the end game, not Cersei. 

 

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21 hours ago, T0mShane said:

The Army of the Dead is a metaphor for--wait for it--creeping mortality. If Martin plays this out to the end, the Night King wins because no one beats death. 

4 hours ago, JiF said:

I have a feeling Jon won't take it.

What TS said is the reason Jon HAS to die. Whatever the result IMO - You don't pull that revival sh*t and get the happy ending. There's been virtually no consequence to this point. 

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Man it’s depressing what this show has become. It’s still good and interesting but for all the wrong reasons.

Some of the actors clearly just don’t give a sh*t anymore. They don’t know how to write Tyrion and Dinklage is just phoning it, completely unrecognisable from the masterclass he was giving in season one. Even Lena Headey looks a bit off and she’s best talent the show has left.

It wasn’t a bad episode to be fair. Sam and Jaime scenes were outstanding - two actors still killing it. Still some nonsensical stuff like Bran saying we have no time for bullsh*t and then everyone proceeds to bullsh*t. Maybe use a f*cking dragon to escort the Umber kid instead of using them for sexy time.

The Dany/Jon dragonriding stuff is just cringeworthy. What’s worse is they were making an obvious call back to Ygritte, which only served as a reminder of how good the show was. Kit Harrington showed more sexual chemistry with the cgi dragon than with Emilia Clarke. Awful stuff.

Anyways - Still intrigued to see how it plays out. I think the attack on Winterfell will be a distraction. I think they will attack King’s Landing. We know there’s a second battle and it has to involve Jon/Dany and the Night King. So no way the Winterfell battle is decisive.

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Arya is so f*cking terrible. Everything about her character is awful. Hopefully she dies next episode.

I actually thought it was the best episode for some time. Jaime knighting Brienne was brilliantly done, both Nikolaj and Gwendoline  were superb. The dialogue in general was much better. sh*t is going down next week. I’m expecting at least 5 major characters to die.

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9 hours ago, T0mShane said:

It would be so awesome and fun to watch Jon, Arya, Theon, and Danaerys get absolutely mowed over and next week is all about Tyrion and the Hound sitting around going “what the f%ck?” Maybe they let Sansa live because she’s the least weak

Anything killing Arya would be awesome.

Zero chance Dany and Jon are dying. Melisandre has to reappear too so even if Jon does he’ll be brought back. They’ve clearly left his story open with Dany.

The for sure doomed characters are Brienne, Theon and Jorah. Tormund, Pod, Davos, Edd are all possibilities. Out of the major characters the only one who might die is Tyrion. They kept emphasising that the safest place was the crypts, which means sh*t is going down in the crypts. The dead Starks are probably coming back.

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3 hours ago, Klecko73isGod said:

What's the deal with your hatred of Arya? She's a pretty badass character IMO. 

I think the person left standing at the end is gonna be a total head scratcher. 

It’s the fact that they need to remind us of this with every line she speaks. Unbearable. 

She was the best character through the first three seasons. Now she’s just terrible. 

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I’d actually have both Jaime and Brienne as 50:50 with one of them certain.

I would be more convinced that Jaime would live but everyone seems convinced that Arya will kill Cersei for some bizarre reason.

I think Gendry is ****ed and I’d have Sam as pretty certain to love.

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46 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

I love GoT because of the characters and their human arcs and the politicking. I’ve enjoyed most of the battle scenes because of how well they’ve been shot.

To be clear though, if the rumors are true for tonight’s episode and we are subjected to 80 mins of battle scenes, I worry that it will be akin to watching mac’s drafts over the last 5 years: I won’t be happy, but I’ll have to hope I’m wrong and that it turns out good.

There will be a few scenes early in the crypts with dialogue for sure. 

Until the crypts get ****ed because they’re “safe”.

I am interested in how they’ll pull off so many dramatic death scenes in one episode without them eventually wearing thin

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I will say this though. Ramin Djawadi deserves every award in the world. Carried that episode.

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3 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

What didn’t you like about it? I’m usually the grumpiest prick alive and I think that was one of the three or four best pieces of cinema I’ve ever watched 

Ridiculous plot armour to major characters. Just nonsensical that Sam’s just lying there stabbing people.

Wolverine flying in for the kill because she can. Absurd plot - Why was Bran even there? What was he doing? 

Literally the entire theme of the show being that the “game of thrones” is a distraction to the apocalyptic threat and yet, apparently not. 

Garbage. 

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Also Jon sending his beloved direwolf charging on the front lines was just hilarious. Ramsay took better care of his pets.

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Just now, Peace Frog said:

Arya hiding from the dead in the library was like the little chick in the Jurassic Park kitchen hiding from the  raptors. 

I played that level in The Last Of Us. True story.

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24 minutes ago, JiF said:

That was amazing. 

And you're all idiots for knocking it.  Nothing is realistic in this entire show but now we're going to start complaining about realistic?    it's impossible for Arya, to do this that and the other?  Really?   They're flying around on dragons for christ sake, Jon came back from the dead, the only way to kill dead people is with some strange element buried in the mountains of this long forgotten place but man was it unrealistic to have people overcoming such odds in those scenes.  The red witch had her vagina kill someone but we're complaining about realism now?

GFY's. 

You create a Fantasy Universe’s rules and you abide by them.

You can’t excuse bad writing with the genre. That’s poor.

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Also I’m about 90% sure that Ghost was CGI’d in after the fact. Gone for seasons and he hasn’t been acknowledged at all. He’s the last direwolf ffs. They’re to the Stark’s what the Dragons are to the Targ’s.

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4 minutes ago, JiF said:

I'm not familiar with said rules.

It is established pretty early that magic exists in the world.

It was never established that Arya was the greatest fighter in the world.

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19 minutes ago, nycdan said:

She was presented as a skilled duelist / assassin.  Not so much a battlefield warrior.  But it wasn't a complete tear in the fabric of GoT reality.  She paid her dues with the faceless man and her time with Clegane.  

It’s not a complaint solely about this episode. She was dominating Brienne last year, she was by far the most effective fighter they showed in combat against the wights. It’s just bizarre, it’s too much.

My dislike of her character is more to do with her general demeanor, although that can be extended to most of the female cast as D&D have no idea how to write strong women beyond blunt badassery. 

I have less of an issue with her actually assassinating the Night King, it’s more her skill set even if it was a bit ridiculous, but I can forgive that for the shock value. 

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