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40 minutes ago, JiF said:

I've seen that Tyrion theory floated a few times.  Which would explain the "you're no son of mine" quote as he killed his "father" and how he was able to handle the dragons...but dont you feel like that would have come out at this point?  Like dont you think Tywin in all his anger would have pulled that card at some point during the whole execution/prison time or during their numerous arguments and if Bran had that info, dont you think he would have shared it or Sam would have read about it?  IDK, I guess they could have saved the nugget for a big surprise at the end but it seems like a really lame thing to do if that's the ultimate card in the deck they pull.

Negan blows Euron Greyjoy out of the water.  His role in WD makes sense, his vengeance made sense, his existence made sense, his storyline moved the plot and created a new enemy, for better or worse.  Greyjoy hasnt even been that...the only fight he's had is vs. his own people.  He legit, does nothing for the story whatsoever other than potentially creating the ultimate Theon redemption moment which is meh, at this point.  It's like they felt they needed to replace Ramsey so badly that they had to create the most generic scary bad guy imaginable as if the Night King wasnt enough.  Just very strange.  And it came out of nowhere too.  He's legit the worst character I think I've ever seen created that is supposed to be taken seriously. 

 

Unfortunately, Theon is gonna play some major role in the final outcome. He has to, otherwise it doesn't make any sense to be keeping him around at this point. I just hope it's not too big a role. 

I think Sansa's gonna wind up on the Iron Throne at the end. She's the smartest of all and she's a killer with comebacks. 

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25 minutes ago, JiF said:

That's true but if they drove the whole story around Snow being a Targaryen only to flip it and say it's more important that Tyrion is a Targaryen, then LAME!!!  What a waste if that is really the case...but you're right, it could totally be the way this plays out.

And agreed on the episode.  Total waste of air time IMO.  I could stomach it being so wasteful if all the reunions were impactful but outside of Arya and Gendy, they werent.  I mean it was cool seeing Sansa become the smart one of the group but meh.  Boring reunion.  All of them were boring.  Every single reunion was boring and provided nothing.

Like I said, 3 things drove the story in that show; Arya's weapon, Sam not trusting Dany, Bronn ordered to kill the Lannisters.  The rest was pointless.  I liked how they ended the episode with the ultimate reunion but obviously it was so brief that it couldnt have an impact that episode.  So 3 meaningful moments with only 5 episodes left. 

Which goes back to the writing...it's bad right now.  Even down to telling Snow the truth.  Why didnt Bran do it when they had their reunion, he's the only one with urgency while the world is about to end and it was soooo important that Snow knows the truth but Bran, the cold not even a man anymore who has no feelings, decided to wait and have Sam tell him?  Why?  lol  So dumb.

 

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9 hours ago, CotcheryifyouCan said:

I like it, but doubnt jon and sansa marry

Sansa and Jon are first cousins. They aren't getting married.

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17 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Ok, so, still some schlocky crap but overall a good episode. The specter of death hanging over all of them sort of made the shoegazing of the older characters more appropriate and forgiveable, and the framing of all those characters sitting in front of the fire drinking away their problems was kinda cool. Less Danaerys and Jon also helped the episode. Highlight, though, was Bran and Jamie working through their stuff, because I think that’ll mark the last of the Hemingwayesque old-people-seeking-redemption cut scenes we’ve been fed for two weeks now. Bottom line: more Tyrion, Jamie, Brienne, and Hound; less Jon and Danaerys and you’ll put the show back on track. 

 

One aside: does anyone watch the behind-the-episode featurette after these things? Listening to the show runners describe what they find interesting makes you want to claw your eyeballs out because they’re basically admitting they want the show to angle toward a Kate Hudson romantic period drama in complete violation of what the first seven seasons looked like. Nobody wants to see a love story spring out of this, but these ******* guys are talking about Brienne’s deep feelings of love for Jamie and vice versa. Keep these mf’ers away from the writers room, please 

Jaime is gonna end up on the Iron Throne with Brienne as his queen. Book it.

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36 minutes ago, JiF said:

I dont understand why they couldnt combine the 1st episode and last nights into 1 episode.  There was so much wasted time in the first episode, they could have easily merged the 2 together, making it 100x better show/stage setting.  And I feel like they're doing a terrible job preparing for this battle, so much more they could have prepared instead of just having clever conversations. 

I actually really enjoyed last night's episode.  There were some epic clever moments and conversations that were very enjoyable.  I loved the scene with Ayra, Hound and Beric.  Loved the scene with everyone hanging out around the fire.  If there was 1 dude I want to spend my last night with, it would Tyrion Lannister.  Loved Sam giving the sword to Jorah.  I thought that was a really cool scene.  I loved the nights watch kids back together.  Loved Jamie and Bran's reunion. 

Theon is clearly going to die defending Bran and I like that as his story arch.  I loved Sansa pinning Dany to the wall about Winterfell and the North.  Arya raping Gendry was amazingly uncomfortable, loved the scene with her throwing the dragon glass.  Padrig might be my new favorite character, I want him and Bronn to have an epic reunion.  I loved Sam summarizing Bran's existence.  

Some of that was really well done IMO.

I'll be honest, I really dont have a clue where this goes but I do think Dany goes crazy and Jon kills her.  

I love Podrick becoming a badass - a very underdeveloped storyline. 

I don't think his reunion with Bronn will be a happy one. I think Podrick dies taking an arrow for Tyrion. 

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4 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said:

Two episodes in ten words. Not bad. Any idea where I submit the reimbursement form to get those two hours out of my life back?

Like you'd actually have anything better to do at 9 pm on a Sunday night. 

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24 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

If we're looking for clues as to who dies next week, the show clearly wants to say something about the olds being phased out and all the woke kids taking over the realm, so I wouldn't be surprised if every character over the age of 30 gets whacked and it's all about the PYT's hashing out their feelings about power and dominion. 

Or, if GRRM has one more card to play, he lets a bunch of the younger characters get butchered because they're idealistic dopes and all the older characters sit around the funeral pyre and ponder the meaning of existence and man's brutal nature toward each other. I'd be down for that.

Yeah but that's just because you're old.

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6 hours ago, Irish Jet said:

Anything killing Arya would be awesome.

Zero chance Dany and Jon are dying. Melisandre has to reappear too so even if Jon does he’ll be brought back. They’ve clearly left his story open with Dany.

The for sure doomed characters are Brienne, Theon and Jorah. Tormund, Pod, Davos, Edd are all possibilities. Out of the major characters the only one who might die is Tyrion. They kept emphasising that the safest place was the crypts, which means sh*t is going down in the crypts. The dead Starks are probably coming back.

What's the deal with your hatred of Arya? She's a pretty badass character IMO. 

I think the person left standing at the end is gonna be a total head scratcher. 

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2 hours ago, ComfortablyNumb said:

Maybe I have to watch It again but am I the only one who felt a little underwhelmed at how the night king went out? I’m a homer of the show but I was hoping for something more. 691534bb48c05b6d3458240304423a7a.jpg


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He was stabbed with the valerian steel blade right at the spot where Bran gave the blade to Arya and she stabbed him in the exact spot where the children of the forest stabbed him to create him.

What could possibly be underwhelming about that? It was epic.

Cersei needs to be sh*tting herself. The woman who killed the Night King has her on a kill list.

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17 minutes ago, JiF said:

The red witch had her vagina kill someone but we're complaining about realism now?

Forgot all about that. 

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5 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Hopefully it’s the good looking Ed Skrein Daario and not the American guy with the Jersey accent 

Hey, yous guys tink we can kill the Lannista bitch? 

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1 minute ago, JiF said:

Not a chance.  The Hound vs. Mountain has been teased since the first season.

Cleganebowl is gonna be epic.

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1 minute ago, Peace Frog said:

Which one? The one she gave to Sansa? 

Yes. 

And Bran is the true evil.

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10 hours ago, Peace Frog said:

Better than albino midget porn?

I think not

That was oddly specific.

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4 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

The show writers themselves admitted they only made the decision to have Arya kill the NK 3 years ago. You can find foreshadowing in anything if you look hard enough.

So when they were training her way back in season one, you didn't think that was significant?

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8 minutes ago, JiF said:

Right.  Those were great realistic scenes.

I'm looking forward to the continuation of realism that this show has produced when the Dragos who breathe fire make an attack on a woman that has a dead man guarding her. 

 

Yeah right. That's about as realistic as Peter Parker using Bing as his search engine in The Amazing Spider-Man. Totally took me out of the movie. 

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4 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Well, this is unfortunate, but Starbucks will love it:

 

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You didn't know there was a Starbucks on Winterfell?

It's just on the other side of the library. There was a whole episode that took place in it in season 2. This is just a brilliant call back.

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18 minutes ago, JiF said:

It's great and I'm thankful we're here but it begs the question to be asked; why were the Dragons such a central theme in this show for so long, to have such little significance?  Like, when you really think about, what purpose did they serve?  The biggest benefit they provided for the entire series was the dead one taking out the wall.  You had the scene where they returned to Dany and saved her in that crazy scene where all the masked people started killing everyone in the Gladiator pit and the scene she goes north to save the crew trying to capture a zombie but that was about it.  Otherwise, they helped take out the Lannister reserves/gold in that one battle and that they really didnt even need to win.  Kind of weird to me to have them be so "powerful" yet, basically wield no power at all and very easily taken out (******* Euron took one out for christ sake).   Unless Drogon just goes balls to the wall and torches the entire city of Kings Landing, I'll be honest, I dont get the Dragons place in this show.  They've been largely meaningless. 

Now that we've got to this point, I'm actually less intrigued by who ends up on the Iron Throne that I am to find out who kills who.  LIke it's got to be a bloodbath and it's got to be characters killing characters to finish thing out.

 

 

Their mere existence has allowed Dany to consolidate power and make people believe she is some kind of chosen one but sure, they have been totally meaningless.

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2 minutes ago, JiF said:

haha - that's true, didnt think about it from a psychological aspect.  I was more thinking from a carnage in battle perspective, like the damage they should do vs. what they've done but I guess it helped her create the army that she brought to Westeros, where nobody respected her or her Dragons and they've had zero impact on the outcome of anything.  

Not really debating that point but the show isn't called Game of Dragons.

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20 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

The Office after Michael Scott. Around end of season 8.

Without Steve Carrell the show was just okay. Then they bring her in and it becomes instantly unwatchable. Not sure how many episodes she lasts. Easily the lowest point and worst character in any show I’ve ever cared about.

Which was too bad because Robert California was pretty funny.

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13 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

This is maybe the thing I have always enjoyed most about the show. No true heroes, but definitely a few true villains. And when when the show wants to create the latter, they really go after it. Joffrey, Ramsay, Euron...when they go after it, they are ruthless.

Then the borderline ones, Aliser, Roose, even the High Sparrow, you could always understand where they were coming from.

I really never considered Tywin an antagonist. Jamie maybe, Cersei probably, but Tywin always had a Ned Start-esque quality about him. Difference obviously being he refused to buy into Ned's naivety, but I'm not so sure that makes him a villain.

Tywin wasn't so much a villain as he was just a huge dick. 

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2 hours ago, chirorob said:

Correct.   He unified them all.

The north was the last, and the Starks kind of rediculed the last King of the North, calling him the "King that knelt".  His defense was, "They showed up with 3 freaking dragons, I could kneel, or they could burn everything within 500 miles."

A lot of the show is point of view.   There are no real "Good guys".   A few truly evil, but mainly point of view.   I have always said, Tywin would have been the best ruler.   He was ruthless, so no one challenged him.  He was a great leader and manager, the land would have prospered.  Everything he did was to protect his family, no different than what Arya and Sansa are doing now.

Was he? His own son killed him. Doesn't sound like a great ruler to me. 

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2 hours ago, chirorob said:

What is your definition of a great ruler?

If he ran the kingdom, the debt would be repaid, there would be peace among the houses, and general safety for the people.  I never said he was a good father, or that he wasn't a hypocrit when it came to Tyrion's whore.

There would be peace among the houses because he'd kill anyone who disagreed with him. That's not leadership.

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1 hour ago, chirorob said:

He does not have the "intangibles"

He does have the money to hire people to throw people thru walls.

I hope so because he's got a noodle arm. 

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3 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

Maybe I'm misremembering things, but I always interpreted his dickishness as more of a necessity than his actual personality, because his children and grandchildren and other family members were constantly acting like morons. Had Cersei been the person then that she is now he probably would backed off.

Nah... he was just a dick. 

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7 hours ago, Bleedin Green said:

Yeah, that was really quite ridiculous..  So is it that those shots were not nearly fast/accurate enough to really take out the dragons, and they were complete mind-numbingly stupid morons who couldn't notice an entire friggin' fleet last week?  Or did they all simultaneously forget how to fire them now?

They could have very simply just had less of those available to make it far more sensible.  But they wanted to try to make it more dramatic, so randomly decided that those things were suddenly mass-produced.  The whole thing was just so unnecessary.

You guys do realize that the dragon that was killed by Euron was injured, right? 

Pay attention, old man.

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31 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

Routine city burning?

Happens on every friggin show lately. It's the most tired trope in television.

They write themselves into a corner and BOOM - city burns down.

It happened on The Office, Seinfeld, Barney Miller, LA Law, Mr. Belvedere, you name it. 

There is a reason the cliche "burn the city down" exists. 

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1 hour ago, JiF said:

And right before he died!!! That's terrible timing. 

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On 5/13/2019 at 8:36 AM, Bleedin Green said:

Oh yeah, and that totally explains why absolutely no one noticed an entire friggin fleet, right? Don't defend sh*tty writing. 

 

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12 minutes ago, chirorob said:

That was bad.

Who has the best story?   How about, the guy who was born of a secret love, actually isn't a bastard but is the true heir to the throne.   Grew up a bastard, learned humility, went to serve on the wall, became Lord Commander of the wall, was murdered, came back from the dead, made peace with the Free Folk.    Then united the kingdom to fight the undead, then helped lead the fight to kill Cersie, then had to kill the woman who blew up King's Landing.

That seems like a good story.

BOOOOOOORRRRRIIIINNNNG

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7 minutes ago, section314 said:

That’s who I thought, too.Had most legitimate claim.

It's not about who had the best claim to the throne. 

Saying that is completely missing the point of the end. The throne shouldn't go to someone just because of who their father is, it should go to the best possible person. That's why they decided to do away with the concept of having a birthright to the throne. 

Did you even watch the episode?

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