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****PSYCHIC SPOILER***

#Don't read if you don't want your mind BLOWED#

We're aware that Melisandre resurrects Jon Snow, yes?

 

 

I've always thought all along that D&D and GRRM will get away with saying that Jon Snow is dead, simply by the fact that he'll enter season 6 or 7 as Jon Targaryen.  It just doesn't make sense that he dies, he's been a main character since Martin first began and is a major player in half of the running theories in ASOIAF.  Jon, Tyrion, Arya, Dany and Bran were the five main characters he said he built the story around (Tyrion-Arya-Jon love triangle non-withsthanding) and all of them are still alive except for Jon...  He's definitely being brought back, but I doubt it'll be as a male Lady Stoneheart, he's too important to not be Jon Snow or Jon Targaryen.  I know Martin has canceled just about all of his engagements this year to finish Winds of Winter before Season 6 starts, just hope he doesn't end up rushing any of it. 

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My wife likes Arya, Jon Snow, and Breann the most

 

I like Tyrion, Ned Stark, The Hound, and Breann the most. 

 

Tyrion and the Hound, both in the books and shows, but then toss in Bronn for the show.  No wonder they gave him more screen time, the guy is great. 

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On 4/30/2016 at 10:34 AM, no psls said:

Jon Snow is still dead and the Red Lady is really an old bitch .

Ya know, I too was shocked that they didn't answer all of ADWD's cliffhangers in this season's first episode. 

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On April 30, 2016 at 10:34 AM, no psls said:

Jon Snow is still dead and the Red Lady is really an old bitch .

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Total cocktease of an episode. 

-ToJ scene was epic. R+L = J is finally about to be proven.  Sir Arthur Dayne, worthy of his prestige

- Cleganebowl is happening

- Bastardbowl is happening

- Jon Snow with the most epic mic drop ever 

- Varys will be undone by his little birds

sh*tty we're gonna have to wait two weeks to see the ToJ scene most likely. Also, Bran possibly the "wind" that whispered to Jon to find the wolves?  Pretty epic episode. 

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6 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

I'm the help. Please don't eat the help.

I drink, and I know things. It's what I do. I love that man 

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On 5/23/2016 at 11:59 AM, SenorGato said:

Missandei and discount Rachel Weisz (new red priestess) have something to say about this.

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So like....once Hodor died and the door no longer held, what is stopping Bran and Meera from being laid to waste? Is the Wall coming down and the Night's Watch about to get decimated?

Uncle Benjen. 

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Amazing episode, one of the best in a while. I think it's shaping up pretty well that Bran is the "Winds of Winter." Wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be the 3ER. Arya is undoubtedly going to leave her weird little dojo, as it's clear she's becoming disenchanted with the many-faced god and a girl still cares about her family. 

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49 minutes ago, chirorob said:

I don't know that there has been one wasted scene this whole season. 

The Hodor scene was just the latest.  So good, the kid convulsing, while adult Hodor sacrificing himself to save them.  Question, if "Marking" Bran allowed the White Walkers to penetrate those defenses, what if they don't want to catch him?  What happens if they drive him back under the wall?  Can they then go back under the wall as well?

I also love how the show is done point of view.  Because it's not black and white.   Tywin wasn't evil, he was looking out for his family.   Even the white walkers, they were magically captured and changed into what they are now.   Of course they want revenge and to take over and spread.

That's pretty much exactly how RR Martin writes. He's been quoted many times saying that no one but Tolkien could write black and white, good vs evil without sounding cheesy and cliche. The storyline has repeatedly shown that even the most evil/ruthless people have done things for their loved ones etc. Except Ollie. That little f*cker deserves everything he got.

 

All kidding aside, there definitely won't be a one side vs the other battle with a clear cut victory. It'll be like kingdom of heaven where one side just gives in for his people:  Jon Snow/Targaeryn will marry some white walker's princess to keep the peace, after everyone you love is already dead, or something like that. 

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Greatest battle scene since Saving Private Ryan's Normandy invasion. F*ck me that was awesome. Made up for every single bit of Arya's sh*tty storyline. God damn that was great. 

 

 

Sidenote: cinematography was brilliant. Jon Snow suffocating was just phenomenal. 

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Davos finding that pyre, with the sun rising, was probably the most beautiful moment of the greatest single episode in television history. Jesus dude, that was unreal. 

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On 6/20/2016 at 10:30 AM, chirorob said:

There were a lot of intestines.

The Jon Snow suffocating, the way they showed it.  Brilliant.  I so totally agree with you on that.

Poor Rickon.   I'm yelling at the TV, "run serpentine!!'   Nope, another dead Stark.  But he had to die, so that Jon can become Lord of Winterfell.

My thoughts.  Who are the true villains left?  Ramsay dead.   Tywin dead.  Joffrey dead.   It's coming down to the Sparrow, and the White Walkers, and subtle Littlefinger.  I also really think Dorne invades Kings Landing.  

I think Daenerys, especially without Tyrion there, is a tyrant and will probably end up being the quasi-villain. It's definitely not going to be black and white, there's certainly not going to be a clear-cut winner/happy ending, it will be a lot of death, ambiguity and such. Excited to see it though. 

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8 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

1. Arya is the biggest gangster in all of Westeros.

Absolutely. Maybe not as much in the shows, but in the books I thought she was such a twat and really didn't start to like her until after her relationship with The Hound. The Hound being one of the few characters who is awesome in the book and even better on show. That dude Rory just kills it. He, Dinklage, and the  actors who play(ed) Ramsay, Olenna, Varys and Bronn. They steal the show every time they're on it. I didn't care for much of the Meereen episodes, but watching Varys and Tyrion go back and forth is probably some of my favorite moments in the whole show. The part where Varys leaves to travel to Dorne, you can see part of Tyrion just sink when he realizes that the only person in the entire city equal to his intelligence and capable of having a conversation with just left. 

2. Watching the progression of Sansa has really been something. I love that she bluntly told Jon that he would suffer the same fate as Rob and Ned if he thinks he can act 100% noble all the time and won't suffer the same fate. And I really, really love that she gave credit to Cersei for being able to see stuff like that.

It's been great to see, still don't care much for her. She's just another perfect Martin character where you have so many reasons to dislike her, just like Cersei, but then other moments where you forget what a c*nt she's been and respect her. 

3. I see they are making Euron the new dude that everyone hates. The Kanye outfit was a nice touch.

The guy pluying Euron has been quoted as saying you'll end up hating him more than Ramsay and Joffrey combined... While that's probably impossible, it'll be fun to watch. Loved that two-handed dig at Jamie. 

 

5. The sequence where Daenerys finally landed was incredibly shot. Wish I could have seen that on a big screen.

Pretty awesome, loved how everyone was just completely silent for the entire scene. 

 

 

I've mentioned it before, but the way Martin creates all his character and gives everyone, save for probably Jon and Sam, a reason to simultaneously despise and root for them, is just amazing. He's been quoted as saying the only person who had the ability to write in purely black and white was Tolkein, so while I think Jon ends up on top, it's going to be a bittersweet win. Ala he becomes the new Night King and can't ever return home, but gives peace to the seven kingdoms, or something along those lines. 

Sidenote: I really hope Tormund finally gets to f*ck Brienne before he dies, just because he's earned it. 

 

 

 

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4 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

I love you, but don't become one of the book people. Please, please don't become one of those guys. They're the worst.

Ha, I actually like both pretty equally. There are things about the books that I prefer and things about the shows that I prefer, those aforementioned characters being one example. My point was that I never liked Arya until more recently, just can't remember exactly when I started to like her. As for Sansa, I never liked her and still don't. Although I suppose I respect her as a character now. Fun fact the internets has been buzzing about, her hairstyle was identical to Cersei's before she got all neked and had it chopped off. Wonder if that and her quote in the most recent episode are a subtle indication that she's going to be more like Cersei in the coming episodes that we've anticipated. 

 

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1 minute ago, Integrity28 said:

When the Hound looks into the fire, and says he sees a "Mountain shaped like an arrow head". 

I think he's talking about his brother.

I just was assuming he was referring to Dragonstone, which if the Night King makes it there, I think it's safe to say things didn't go so well for the North. 

 

I've been rooting for the Cleganebowl for a while now, but I'm not sure it's going to be that sweet a victory for the Hound to kill his un-dead brother. I mean, sure, it'll still be fun to watch, but probably not as satisfying as it could have been. 

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15 minutes ago, JiF said:

Wait, the Hound's brother was The Mountain, who is now the undead dude the protects Cersei?  I thought his brother was the dude he fought at the games when they were jousting and he lost his sh*t and cut off the head of his horse and seemed to be ready to attack Joffery? 

One in the same my sweet sweet Jif, one in the same. 

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2 minutes ago, JiF said:

Ok, but they switched actors or something, right?  Like they did with the dude that Danareys was banging?  The dude he fought protecting Joffery was not the same dude that died in the duel.  

Yea, there's been three actors, the most recent is the icelandic? strongman competitor. Absolute monster. 

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2 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

It's not that, it's just the way the book people have this way of trying to impose explanations on people who don't read the books don't ask for, and in turn sometimes unintentionally spill the beans about things that might happen. Ask Tom about how some idiot at a house party ruined the red wedding for him. 

 

Not to dissimilar from you comic book nerds doing so with the movies/tv shows ;)  I kid because I love. Joking aside, one of my best friends ruined the red-wedding, in part, to another one of our best friends while we were all on vacation. It was like watching dad slap mom at the dinner table, everyone just stared in silence. Come to mention it, it was the same one of our friends who ruined Dumbledore dying for me, and he didn't even read those books! We've since killed him. His body is somewhere in the east river. 

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Best naked character on GOT? I've gotta go Melisandre as 1 and Bianca as 2. I will never forgive B&B or Martin for not letting Margaery take her walk of atonement. They stole that from us. The bastards.

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3 minutes ago, JiF said:

Hands down the Red Witch or whatever her name is was the hottest nude scene.  

I dont remember the Bianca one.  

Who was the chick showing her t!ts in the jail cell to Jamie's buddy, cant remember his name either, Bronn or something like that?  That chick was hot as sh*t.  You dont get the whole package but my gawd.

The whore who joined Little Finger's brothel was pretty good too.  That lesbo scene was epic.

Margaery IMO was by far the hottest of them all. So I agree with your take.

 

 

OOoh I totally forgot about that sand snake scene, yea, I'll actually bump her up to two and put bianca down to three. I pretty much used all those trips to Dorne as a bathroom or snack break. And Bianca was the chick in the theater troupe who wanted to kill lady crane. Phenomenal body. 

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53 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Still gives me the shakes. 

Did you give him the jerk store line, or did you tell him that you slept with his wife? 

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1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

Long story short, a chick I was dating brings me to watch GoT at her nerd friends' place, which is filled with dudes who all read the books and would spend the whole time bitching about inconsistencies between the books and show. At some point, they become aware that I have not read the books. One of them goes, "so he doesn't KNOW? Oh my GOD he's gonna freak OUT." Then as the scene starts, the dude goes, "RAINS OF M@THERF£CKING CASTAMERE HERE WE GO" or some sh*t. Then it happens, and the whole room is looking at me for approval, as if it was these ******* geeks who wrote the books themselves. True dicks. Then they consoled themselves by arguing the scene was bullsh*t anyway because that wasn't REALLY Robb's wife from the books anyway.

Sweet lord that sounds like a nightmare.  There are things I prefer about both, neither of which detract from the other. It's the same thing with LOTRs. I always loathed the Tom Bombadill chapters in the books and went as far as to skip them whenever I re-read it. So glad they left that out. 

But yea, book people tend to lord it over others pretty often, as if their literacy is some sort of power, but that's been the same for any movie or show made after a book or comic. As long as neither suck, I don't particularly care. Plus, with the show, you get boobs. And it's been my longstanding opinion that boobs always beats out no boobs. 

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7 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

At one of these viewings, a dude actually got super heated because the actor playing Jamie Lannister wasn't, apparently, a good fencer or some sh*t (this nerd used the technical term for sword-fighter) and then started quoting lines from the books pertaining to how amazing Jamie *really* is with a sword. He was still pissed that, earlier, the show made it appear as though Sean Bean had fought Jamie to a draw, as if such a thing were possible. Then he quoted a line from the book stating that Ned Stark was a stout warrior, but not necessarily a talented swordsman. 

It sounds like you had a viewing and dinner-date with all of Reddit. 

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13 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

I can't for the life of me comprehend how the books can remotely stack up to the show. There is no way in hell. ******* Homer and Dostoevsky don't hold up to this sh*t, but the printed words of George Martin do? There's no way.

Puzo's books are great but anyone who could ever have the balls to argue that they are just as good as Coppola's work needs to be shot. Sometimes one medium is just better.

Oh you're just angry because you can't read and the internet finally knows all about your struggle with literacy. Finally explains all those comics and picture books!

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1 minute ago, T0mShane said:

I think we're about to get a pretty heavy dose of Dorne. What I imagine plays out now is this:

1. Euron delivers the Sand Queen to Cersei.

2. Cersei goes through the whole thing about getting revenge for Myrcella.

3. Instead of killing Sand Queen, Cersei talks her into aligning the Dorne army with the Lannisters. 

4. We all go to Dorne.

The only good thing to ever come from Dorne was when that one chick got neked. And being a medium for Olenna to insult them.

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20 hours ago, the Claw said:


Great line. One of the high points of the episode.

Hopefully things come into focus a little more next episode. The directors are just scattergunning right now. Getting as much as they can get tied up. That being said there's a lot of superfluous stuff in there right now. The Greyworm love scene was endearing at first, then seemed cheapened by it's gratuitousness and length. With the way this show depicts sex and love, it seemed an odd choice for two characters who truly love eachother. Can't knock nice boobs, but it seemed out of place and about two minutes too long.

The lords of the north must be sick of Jon Snow calling all those damn meetings. Just for him to tell them he's taking a trip.

I'm also worried about Euron. This sort of maniacal can be easily overdone, and I think it's going to be overdone. Ramsey was the perfect uber-villain because he fit in with this world. Euron doesn't seem to fit. He's come completely out of nowhere. A guy who fights like this, we should have heard tales of him. A couple of episodes last season sure didn't make him out to be some whirlwind of doom. The show doesn't need him as the new Neagan or Ramsey. I just want to know what happens in the plots they've laid out. I hope they back off the psycho stick a bit.

Still plenty to like, just a lot to sift through.

 

11 hours ago, JiF said:

So Euron happened to just stumble upon their fleet on the way to Drone and then somehow just sneaked up on their entire fleet without being seen in ships twice the size of ones they seized until they literally ran directly into the ship that was carrying everyone of importance?  

That was by far, bar none, the worst scene GoT has put together.  It was straight cartoon sh*t.  Jack Sparrow should have made an cameo.  Why not?  Ed Sheeran already did.

 

 

Apologies to RJF in advance, and I don't want to be a "book guy," but this is where I think the/any show can sometimes suffer. Novels in general, you have 1000 pages to devote a handful to Euron or various parts of the GOT universe so that when something like this happens, it doesn't feel as forced. That having been said, more episodes and a greater number of seasons could cure that as well. However, I just think it's easier in a novel, given a larger medium to work with, to discuss characters not currently in the picture, whereas it's difficult to spend a lot of time discussing characters in a show when they're off-screen. Would just feel awkward. 

 

As for the ships being surprised; I think part of it is the writers wanted you to assume that Yara's entire fleet was so cocky after the big war meeting that they didn't think something like this could happen, and Euron might be more powerful than just a blood-crazed pirate. A power that would allow his ships to sail quicker and harness a storm etc. Regardless, I think in general, if you stop looking at a show that is based on dragons and the undead so analytically, you won't get upset about the logistics of a giant battle like this, when the real story, just like True Detective, has always been about character development and the emotions they portray. Like how Yara felt betrayed when Theon/Reek dropped his sword and fled etc. and they look all three of them shared..  Just my thought. Still badass nevertheless. 

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Olenna was one of the last few characters that I cared about, even dying she owned the screen. I have to agree with BG; this is the last season of one of the greatest and most epic shows on television and these three episodes feel like ones you could have tossed into the middle of season two or three in terms of my level of interest. It feels that they're trying to cram two full seasons into a shortened one. I'm just not sure how they're going to have the battle of the Night King, revealing who Jon Targaryen is, have the battle of westeros etc. all in less than 5 remaining hours. I really hope it doesn't have Bran explain away half the show because they ran out of time. 

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8 hours ago, Hitman Harris said:

After this season... There is a season 8, with 6 episodes. So this isn't the last season. 

I agree tho that these writers are completely lost and are sh i t without source material

Damn, had no idea. That's a bit of a relief, I was operating under the assumption that this was the last season for whatever reason. 

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17 minutes ago, Bugg said:

Biggest whole in the entire show; if he has this power, why is it not being utilized vs.the Army of the Dead and Cersei? He knows Jon's parentage which would immediately solve the Khaleesi/Jon conflict. Is he just a curiosity or is he going to be integral to the story? 

 

2 hours ago, T0mShane said:

I've got a few thoughts:

1. Either there's a spy on Team Khaleesi, Tyrion is intentionally sabotaging them, or Tyrion is getting worked over by Team Cersei, because he's now sent two major elements of his team directly into traps. I don't believe that GoT would decide to make Tyrion a moron at this point, so there's either a spy in his camp, or he's intentionally undermining Khaleesi. 

2. As annoying as Euron is, he's still so one-dimensional that it's likely he exists solely to be killed by another character as a means of proving that character's mettle, or charting his redemption. Which is great, because he won't be around much longer. Euron's the guy in every western who shows up about a quarter of the way in to the movie wearing a black hat, throwing bottles around the saloon and grabbing at the whores--and then gets shot in the spleen by Clint Eastwood. This character type has been used a few times in GoT already--the crazy dude that magically appears in Kraster's Keep after Kraster dies (he says, "**** em till they're dead, boyyyys. **** em tile they're dead") whom Jon ends up stabbing through the back. The other one I can remember was the tracker guy who cut Jaimie Lannister's hand off and eventually gets his neck broken by Hodor (who was being controlled by Bran). 

3. Should be noted that Olenna Tyrell joins a list of people who are supposedly dead whom we never actually see die. She joins The Blackfish, Stannis Baratheon, Sirio Ferrell, and a few other people I can't recall right now.

4. I'm curious to see how they avoid the Gandalf Problem with Bran. In LOTR, Gandalf basically solves every problem by waving his magic staff, and by being nearly omniscient, which led to a lot of derpy resolutions in those otherwise great movies (Oh yeah, I could have just called these supereagles that would have been better). If Bran can see the future and the past, it's going to take some really clever writing to explain why he doesn't, or can't, tell people what to do. I get that the Three Eyed Raven likely represents the Holy Trinity, and God would likely stand back and let the idiot mortals learn their lessons, so I'm interested to see how much theology goes into it, and whether that leaves us saying, "oh, Bran could have just called the SuperEagles in and put this sh*t to bed eight hours ago."

 

Best guess as to why he'll choose the God role of sitting back and letting things happen, is that every time he's chosen to intervene he's royally c*cked everything up; mindff*cking poor Hodor into a pokemon refrigerator, letting the white walkers past the wall, probably building the wall in the first place as Bran the Builder because he somehow helped to create the walkers, causing the Mad King to go mad and try to burn all the people etc. etc. I think that's the only way they get around the Gandalf/God dilemma. 

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Best episode of the season. Bran repeating Little Finger's ladder chaos quote was epic. Arya is no longer a twat, but firmly a badass; that scene with her and Briene was awesome. The seeds have been sown for Jon to f*ck Dany, thanks to Davos' mentioning of her t!ts. And speaking of, Bronn is just the titts, love every time he's on the screen. Watching Tyrion cringe seeing his people decimated and brother almost killed was brilliant work.

Still can't decide if/when one of Dany's dragons dies, does it get resurrected and ridden by the white walker or by Jon, I dunno. Ice dragon ftw!

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Jesus tittyf*cking christ. The dragons dig Jon in a not-so-subtle way. The sexual tension between Aunt and Nephew is palpable. Tyrion is starting to see that Dany might not be what he though. There's not many people who are 100% likeable in this series, but Davos is unequivocally at the top of the list. "Nothing f*cks you harder than time..."  Love questioning every single move Sansa makes, maybe she'll realize how much of a twat she was to Jon. Littlefinger bringing the scroll that Cersei made Sansa write to Rob was brilliant. Nice to see Sam grow some balls. Sh*tty his pops and bro got torched. Glad to see captain friendzone is back, that actor is awesome. Tyrion is just the titts, especially whenever mormont or viserys is around. Nobody glowers quit like you, made me lol.  GOT suicide squad goes across the wall. This series as a whole has done such an amazing jow showing that absolute power narrows choices, it doesn't broaden them.

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On 8/25/2017 at 4:56 PM, T0mShane said:

I just watched the episode and I had some issues with it. Thrones does a lot of mirroring, and it's what we got here with the dragon wiping out a bunch of chaff and a major character going into the water as in a baptism, from whence they emerge with some humility. Problem is, the dragons v white walkers was something being set up for years at this point, and it ended up feeling like a recycled visual because we just saw the same effect two weeks ago. If they did this as a narrative choice (employing dragon rage as a precursor to Jamie and Jon Snow having a baptismal awakening), it better pay off huge or it'll have been a waste. 

 

One of the pitfalls with moving beyond the books is that Benioff, etc might lose patience for, and interest in, some of the more clever plot elements from the books. Consider the discipline it took to carry out the Hodor/Hold The Door storyline, for instance. Is that kind of stuff going to fall off as we move forward, with no one beholden to any text? While this season has been pretty good, it doesn't feel as clever(?) as past seasons. Instead, it feels like Lord of the Rings. Could just be that I'm spoiled by previous seasons.

 

 

Agreed. I've enjoyed most of this season, a lot, but there are a handful of occasions where it seems like they gave Michael Bay parts of the episode to direct. Before RJF gets all angry (<3 you), I still thoroughly enjoyed this season, just not as much as previous ones. 

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