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3 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

This would be the truest thing to the world GRRM built, rather than the fairy tale fanboy outcomes.

Which is the real story of this season. Who’s writing what? The show runner douches are on record saying GRRM gave them the framework of how he wants the story to end, but it didn’t sound like he’d actually written the text, which would explain why the first two episodes have been like this—an exceedingly grim existential circumstance filled with dialogue from Beverly Hills 90210: The Reunion 

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1 minute ago, Integrity28 said:

100%

SPOILER***

 

Bro, that Arya knife drop I swear to God I woke my neighbors up howling. 

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Just now, Irish Jet said:

That was absolutely terrible 

EAD you Donegal bastard I 

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10 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

Seriously? Just not good.

i couldn’t see sh*t. There was no logic or logistics.

I believe it was intentionally dark to give you the sense of chaos and terror of the battle. I say this because they made zero attempt to differentiate who was stabbing whom. It was just huge piles of screaming bodies 

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9 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

Ridiculous plot armour to major characters. Just nonsensical that Sam’s just lying there stabbing people.

Wolverine flying in for the kill because she can. Absurd plot - Why was Bran even there? What was he doing? 

Literally the entire theme of the show being that the “game of thrones” is a distraction to the apocalyptic threat and yet, apparently not. 

Garbage. 

I will not even entertain these petty slights!

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10 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

Besides 80% of the episode not making logistical sense? Besides the darkness that made all of it impossible to distinguish? How many dragons are alive? How many times did characters with names die just show up dying again in another scene? The dragons conveniently disappearing.

You’re not entitled to all the information. Kdels. This is the zombie apocalypse for gods sake 

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2 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

Oh I’m sorry for wanting to understand what’s happening on my screen

ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE KDELS

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1 minute ago, kdels62 said:

Oh cool I’ll just assume a bunch of cool sh*t happened until next Sunday. Oh guess what only 2 actual characters died.

Let me just put this out there: when the zombie apocalypse hits, you and your foul attitude are NOT invited to shelter in my vast and luxurious compound 

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37 minutes ago, HawkeyeJet said:

So I didn't know this thread existed until just now.

First off the darkness if the episode make it much more unsettling in my opinion.  Added to the sense of dread.

That was 90 minutes of teeth clinching.  Great cinema.

Last thought.   The Knight King walks through fire and flies dragons like nothing.  Is he a Targaryen? 

The rumor is he’s the Mad King Targaryen that Jamie Lannister killed. Danaerys’ father, iirc

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4 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

There’s enough evidence IMO to infer the night king is the mad king. The dagger is storied to likely have been his. I don’t think I care if the show confirms it or not. I see it.

Some nerd on another website yelled at me because the Night King was created by the children of the forest (or some sh*t) thousands of years before the Targaryens even existed 

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45 minutes ago, kdels62 said:

If you’re going to throw every nameless character into death have there be moments of genuine horror. Show fear and cowardice, loss of discipline and panic. Don’t show blurry shadows and pretend the shadows are characters that we care about are dying, especially since they all survived.

I loved the episode, but I'll admit that a closing shot with Brienne, Podrick, Grey Worm and Jamie lying dead among piles of wights would have been pretty poignant and would have really driven home the message about the horrors of war without really compromising much. I get that they're saving Jamie to deal with Cersei, but they've lingered upon the Jamie-as-defeated, impotent warrior stuff long enough. 

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I see two main complaints about this episode today. 1, that it was too dark and 2. Arya being a ninja is weak. 

The darkness complaint is whatever. It was clearly intentional and it was supposed to be frustrating, so if you're frustrated today, the director did his job. As for the Arya stuff, they made us sit through a full season of that boring "A girl has no name" sh*t so we could get to that moment. I believe it's implied that she spent multiple years training with that legendary assassin dude, and having her become Jet Li is a-o-*******-k with me because it's our reward for the neverending training montage.

I also think there's no way we're done with the Night King storyline. I don't think the wights return, necessarily, but there's gonna be a lot of reckoning with Danaerys, whom I still believe has some relation to him, so that'll be the framing of it. Also, the things Bran learned while warging are all Night King-related, so the complaint that they conveniently wrapped up the zombie war to be expedient is premature, imo

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1 minute ago, nycdan said:

It's the trope of bring him to his lowest point so he can rise up at the end more dramatically.

Kind of like what the Jets have been doing for the last 8 years.  

But you're right, Theon has been more of a man than Jamie lately.  

I'm surprised the death count of named characters was as low as it was.  I guess they will rack up a few more in the Lannister war.

I'm with you. I was bummed when they chopped Jamie's sword hand off, but it was like chopping Theon's giant dick off: it's what made them legendary, they lost those items, and then there's three seasons of reclamation.  At some point it becomes like, ehhhhh, you kinda miss cocky a$$hole Jamie and Theon and just want to put them out of their misery

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11 minutes ago, JiF said:

That scene seemed like it was more about, look at how we can create this really cool landscape of chaos rather than look at this situation evolving where all your favorite characters are about to die.  I felt like they were building up the despair aspect, knowing Arya would take care of business.  Even Snow gave up and was about to kill himself before that little badass saved the day.  Cheesy but also kind of a head nod to those characters that they're ride of die for the cause.

I personally love that they ended the Dead dilemma last night.  The idea they would head south and there would be more conflict all the way to the end revolved around the Dead was kind of lame.  Now they're setting the stage to resolve what this was all about; who sits on the irons throne.  It's no longer about how to defeat death and back to the greatest chess game ever played by humans as the pieces.  How love, family, honor and how it's used as deception to take power now takes front stage and that's what made this show great to begin with...not dragons and dead dudes. 

Agreed. I wanted Jon to behead the ice dragon, though. That would have been bad ass. 

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4 minutes ago, JiF said:

I think you're letting your Arya hatred cloud you memory.  Arya has had the greatest training of any one person in Westeros.  They established she was a badass more than anyone in the show.  

Where was it established that Jon Snow was the greatest swordsman in the world?  He didnt have some intense training.  He trained with Sam and a bunch of meat heads that have never handled a sword but the first time he's thrown into battle, he's slaying it too.  Did you question that as well?  

 

When I used to watch this show with dudes who had all read the books five times each they used to get BENT because Jamie Lannister and Barriston Selmy were supposed to be the best swordsmen of all time and the Starks were basically butcher-ass goons but in the TV show they're equally capable. One of them literally cried during he scene where Jamie and Ned face off in the street and Ned held his own.

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4 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Agreed 100%. I posted before the episode as well that I'm hoping for more of the bolded in the final episodes.

There was a moment when Viserion was on the ground and was occupied with something else. Jon saw his opportunity and was going for Viserion, and I was certain he was going to behead the dragon. Was so ready to finally see something badass, but then Jon had to retreat behind the pile of dead bodies because Viserion saw him and unloaded blue ice fire. Woulda been sick though.

I thought Viserion was going to open up on Jon with the blue flame and Jon was going to end up standing there naked but unharmed, mirroring Danaerys' rebirth in the funeral pyre and the Night King not getting cooked by the other dragon.

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9 minutes ago, JiF said:

Both complaints are stupid.  The Arya sh*t was awesome.  Every single person who has a pulse has been looking forward to seeing what Arya would bring to the table once the war starter.  Especially since her finest moment since returning to Winterfell was toying with Brienne in front of the whole castle.  How have you not been dying to see her in that moment in that war with that weapon after all the training we've seen her go through?  Everything she's been through was for that moment.  And they didnt even make her invincible.  She had to be saved and her being saved gave way to some of the best moments of the show; Beric's send off was epic and Beric using Arya to get the Hound out of his funk was like poetry.

I do agree, the Night King isnt done.  Maybe he isnt a threat but there has to be something more to his story.  There is no way they had Bran go through all that to learn of Snow's real parents and to be a piece of cheese in the rat trap.  Yes, it gave way to another great send off with Theon but there is no way we went through all that, homeboy wargs that long during the fight only for it to be over now?  I dont think so.  He saw something significant and he's either going to alter something during time travel or he finds out some meaningful detail that decides someone else fate or history that impact the outcome.  

 

 

I read a review today that said Arya didn't "earn" that moment and I had to go deep into my browser settings to block that website from ever appearing on my computer again

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7 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

Jon has been a disaster ever since the show outpaced the books. Literally a disaster. Dany has been exceptionally bad as well. Even last night, every time one of them were on screen, I was fiending for more Arya/Clegane/NK. Those three were my favorites last night.

Isn't that Jon's deal, though? That he's supposed to be dumb? 

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6 minutes ago, greenwichjetfan said:

TBH I hadn't thought of that, but I read a post earlier today that mentioned it and I thought, damn I shoulda thought of that! Then I read a bunch of comments telling that guy that he was a moron because targaryens only survive fire, not ice flames. So I'm glad I didn't think of that.

What are your thoughts on The Night King? There's rampant speculation that he's a Stark or Targaryen, but the book people are dug in that he's just one of the First Men that the tree kids created and any attempt to retroactively make him a Stark or a Targaryen is bullsh*t

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1 minute ago, Integrity28 said:

Yep. Wife and I thought Sansa and Tyrion might off themselves. Or were thinking it.

If you watch it again, check out the look Tyrion gives her when she pulls the knife out--imo he thinks she's going to kill herself at first, then she looks at him and he figures it out. Just great acting with their faces. 

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15 minutes ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Strategically, the plan should be to pin Cersei's army in Kings Landing, destroy her outlying forces piecemeal, and send Arya in to kill her.

 

1. Burn the Iron Fleet, cutting off retreat

2. Send Jamie to the Lannister Troops. They'll rally to him, they gives no ****s about the Queen.

3. Incinerate food sources near the besieged city.

 

I also think were going to be seeing 'ol Daario show up with something to do with the Golden Company.....

Hopefully it’s the good looking Ed Skrein Daario and not the American guy with the Jersey accent 

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52 minutes ago, Irish Jet said:

never said they weren’t strong – Just that D&D have a very warped version of what strength is and how to bring it across – It has to be blunt and in your face. These characters were created, introduced  and for years portrayed as the GRRM C

Writing strong female characters is hard for everyone because it’s not a culturally defined thing the way the traditional strong male character is. You can assign male characteristics to a female character and it becomes a one-dimensional butch lesbian, or you can try and maintain some level of femininity and turn them into nymphomaniacs. Writers who are female say it’s hard to write strong female leads because you’re writing for an audience that doesn’t know what it looks like anyway 

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Help me out here: did Arya kill the NK with that Littlefinger dagger or with that staff thing Gendry made her? 

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6 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

SHE KILLED HIM WITH HER GIGANTIC COCK WHICH IS BIGGER THAN ALL OF OURS COMBINED

YAAAAAAAAAA FEMALES

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Just now, Integrity28 said:

Dagger, doofus. Dagger that was used by assassin to try and kill Bran, then given by Catelyn to Littlefinger, the Bran to Arya right in the same place she killed NK with it.

I’m not the doofus. A coworker was steadfast that it was the staff. My coworkers are dumber than JN posters and even more confident in their idiocy

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On 5/2/2019 at 11:13 AM, JiF said:

Ofcourse there is a diagram to the layout of Winterfell.  lmfao

This is the map floating around the Internet that’s allegedly from the books and would back up the theory. The proximity of the library to the courtyard, and the opening to the Godswood in relation to where Jon was performing that weird kabuki with the dragon all lines up.

 

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14 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

Just catching up on this thread now, but this is just a random fan theory that doesn't make any sense.

The White Walkers looooong preceded the Mad King, and the Night King was the first, thus why his death wiped them all out.  Suddenly deciding they were the same puts serious plot holes all over the place.

 

EDIT:  So... yeah, you guys seemed to have sorted that all out already.  Never mind then.

Yeah, I got screamed at pretty hard elsewhere. Like, book reader GoT people will power-punch the sh*t out of you online if you step on the canon.

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18 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

I’m chomping at the bit....

Not to be pedantic, but it’s “champing” at the bit

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14 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

Meh.... not bad, but the first hour sure did spend a whole lot of time looking for excuses to write characters off the show who no longer served any purpose in the story, but HBO was too scared to kill off last week (probably, in part, to help feed their desire for spinoffs).

That’s a good point. If Sam and Tormund aren’t coming back, why not kill them off last week? It would have added to both episodes. 

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