prime21 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Kiper is playing GM for all 32 teams. Here is what he has for the Jets New York Jets Top needs: QB, OLB, OL, RB Round 1 (6) WR Kevin White, West VirginiaRound 2 (37) OLB Eli Harold, VirginiaRound 3 (70) QB Garrett Grayson, Colorado St. Analysis: Yes, it would be nice to have Marcus Mariota fall to us at No. 6. But we're not going to pay a huge bounty like Washington did to move up for Robert Griffin III when I'm not convinced Mariota is a starter for us in 2015. I just think it's too much of a long-term setback, and I feel like even adequate play from either Ryan Fitzpatrick or Geno Smith makes us pretty competitive in 2015 because I think the defense can be special. So in adding White, I'm getting a weapon I can pair with Brandon Marshall, Eric Decker and Jace Amaro in the passing game. On paper, I now have a balanced and dangerous receiving corps. In Round 2, I'm getting Harold as a shot-out-of-a-cannon pass-rusher to complement the power components across my defensive line. Calvin Pace is 34, and Harold can make some plays in a limited role this coming season. In Round 3, I'm taking a shot on a good developmental QB. Grayson won't play early, but we don't have to rush him. I am happy with the first two picks but not sure about the 3rd because there should be some good position players available. I would like a rb in the 3rd but can we hold off until the 4th for a developmental QB? Not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I would like that draft, like you Prime I'm not sure about Grayson but I still like him best out of the 2nd tier QBs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Does Kiper have Cooper going off the board before White, or is White the top ranked WR? From what I've seen and read I'd take Cooper over White... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 LIke the posters above, I'm very good with the first 2. Not crazy about any of the second tier QB's, but seemingly we are going to get one in the 1st 3 rounds. Better the 3rd round then using a 2nd rounder who will never see the field GO RANGERS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Does Kiper have Cooper going off the board before White, or is White the top ranked WR? From what I've seen and read I'd take Cooper over White... I think its a pretty safe bet that Oakland takes a WR so I would assume their pick was Cooper if we take White. I also wouldn't be surprised if the Redskins took a swipe at Cooper if Winston, Mariota, Williams, and Fowler are the first 4 off the board. should be an interesting draft and I could see a few trades happening in the top 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Good on the first two picks. Not Grayson in the 3rd. I'm starting to like Mannion as much as or more than Grayson. So if we are picking a QB at least wait until the 4th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I'll add one more who's good with the first two picks and not so sure about Grayson in the third - though I would like to watch him a bit more since I know some people really like him. I'd actually be pretty thrilled if the first two rounds went like that. Couple of big time athletes. My guess is that they'll take a tackle in the second round if they pick there which wouldn't be the end of the world. They really haven't worked out a lot of early second round type guys which is interesting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Barf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Third Down Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Since we don't know who will be available at #6, I'll pick three player in order. Rd 1 - Cooper WR/ Flowers OLB/ White WR Rd 2 - Tre Jackson OG/ AJ Cann OG/ Dorsett WR Rd 3 - Duke Johnson RB/ Jay Ajayi RB/ Tevin Coleman RB Rd 4 - Best Player 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Good on the first two picks. Not Grayson in the 3rd. I'm starting to like Mannion as much as or more than Grayson. So if we are picking a QB at least wait until the 4th "Developmental" QBs are worthless. Barring the exceedingly rare fluke... their ceiling is a journeyman vet like Fitzpatrick. Some become average backups after failing as a starter. Most never see the field. Total waste of time and investment. Mariota, who is worth the above, or nobody. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Since we don't know who will be available at #6, I'll pick three player in order. Rd 1 - Cooper WR/ Flowers OLB/ White WR Rd 2 - Tre Jackson OG/ AJ Cann OG/ Dorsett WR Rd 3 - Duke Johnson RB/ Jay Ajayi RB/ Tevin Coleman RB Rd 4 - Best Player Rd one Trey flowers? That's right out of left field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Rd one Trey flowers? That's right out of left field. He meant Fowler. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 "Developmental" QBs are worthless. Barring the exceedingly rare fluke... their ceiling is a journeyman vet like Fitzpatrick. Some become average backups after failing as a starter. Most never see the field. Total waste of time and investment. Mariota, who is worth the above, or nobody. Russell wilson was a developmental QB. To a lesser extend Rogers and Brees were as well. Brady certainly was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 The first two picks are fine, Grayson in the 3rd is a huge mistake Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 Does Kiper have Cooper going off the board before White, or is White the top ranked WR? From what I've seen and read I'd take Cooper over White... Its Winston, Mariota, Leonard, Cooper and Fowler before the Jets pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 3-2-1 here she comes.......LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keysersoze Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Mariota will shoot up on draft boards as soon as teams finally realize that Tampa has zero intention of trading down from Winston. I'd be shocked if Mariota makes it out of the top five. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I would like that draft, like you Prime I'm not sure about Grayson but I still like him best out of the 2nd tier QBs Mainly because his touch and accuracy would be appreciated after watching Geno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Russell wilson was a developmental QB. To a lesser extend Rogers and Brees were as well. Brady certainly was.Ugh.... No. Wilson falls into the exceedingly rare fluke category. Rodgers was a 1st rd pick who some though should have been taken #1 overall. The fact that he sat behind Favre for years does not mean he wasnt a great prospect. He was probably ready to play long before he saw the field. GB pulled the trigger because he was too good to pass even though they didnt "need" him. Brees was the 1st pick in the 2nd round. Brady the rarest of flukes. You really need to look at the collection of crap taken after round 1 over the past 25 years to understand the term "exceedingly rare." Plenty of articles out there about it. You know who else were developmentals? McElroy, Clemens, Blake, Bollinger, Ainge, Clements, ... etc. There is a big diffrrence between a quality prospect and developmental at QB. 1st round prospects hit probably around 35% with a higher rate at the top of rd 1 closer to 45%. These are educated guesstimates. Approximately 99% trash for developmentals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Every QB coming out is going to be developmental- no one is going to be ready to handle it right away. The first two picks are fine third round RB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I think its a pretty safe bet that Oakland takes a WR so I would assume their pick was Cooper if we take White. I also wouldn't be surprised if the Redskins took a swipe at Cooper if Winston, Mariota, Williams, and Fowler are the first 4 off the board. should be an interesting draft and I could see a few trades happening in the top 10. Yes, I'll be hoping that Oakland takes White The dream scenario is Mariota falling to 6 and dealing him for Rivers, but if SD really wants Mariota, I expect they go to 2 to get him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Its Winston, Mariota, Leonard, Cooper and Fowler before the Jets pick. Thanks. So I guess the question when assessing Kiper's process would be to measure the drop off between a guy like Beasley at 6 vs. Harold at 37 and then compare that to White at 6 vs. guys like Perriman or Strong who could be there at 37. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 Here is the full 3 rounds minus the comments. Hope it's view able. Round 1 PICK TEAM POSITION PLAYER SCHOOL 1. Tampa Bay QB Jameis Winston Florida St. 2. Tennessee QB Marcus Mariota Oregon 3. Jacksonville DL Leonard Williams USC 4. Oakland WR Amari Cooper Alabama 5. Washington OLB Dante Fowler Florida 6. New York Jets WR Kevin White West Virginia 7. Chicago WR Breshad Perriman Central Florida 8. Atlanta OLB Shane Ray Missouri 9. New York Giants OT Brandon Scherff Iowa 10. St. Louis WR DeVante Parker Louisville 11. Minnesota CB Trae Waynes Michigan St. 12. Cleveland DT Danny Shelton Washington 13. New Orleans OLB Randy Gregory Nebraska 14. Miami WR Nelson Agholor USC 15. San Francisco DE Arik Armstead Oregon 16. Houston OLB Vic Beasley Clemson 17. San Diego DT Malcom Brown Texas 18. Kansas City WR Jaelen Strong Arizona St. 19. Cleveland RB Todd Gurley Georgia 20. Philadelphia S Landon Collins Alabama 21. Cincinnati DE Bud Dupree Kentucky 22. Pittsburgh CB Kevin Johnson Wake Forest 23. Detroit OT La'El Collins LSU 24. Arizona RB Melvin Gordon Wisconsin 25. Carolina OT Andrus Peat Stanford 26. Baltimore CB Marcus Peters Washington 27. Dallas CB Byron Jones UConn 28. Denver C Cameron Erving Florida St. 29. Indianapolis OT Ereck Flowers Miami (FL) 30. Green Bay CB Jalen Collins LSU 31. New Orleans WR Phillip Dorsett Miami (FL) 32. New England DT Eddie Goldman Florida St. Round 2 PICK TEAM POSITION PLAYER SCHOOL 33. Tennessee OT Jake Fisher Oregon 34. Tampa Bay OT D.J. Humphries Florida 35. Oakland DE Preston Smith Mississippi St. 36. Jacksonville RB Tevin Coleman Indiana 37. New York Jets OLB Eli Harold Virginia 38. Washington OT Cedric Ogbuehi Texas A&M 39. Chicago DE Owamagbe Odighizuwa UCLA 40. New York Giants S Eric Rowe Utah 41. St. Louis OT T.J. Clemmings Pitt 42. Atlanta G Laken Tomlinson Duke 43. Cleveland WR Devin Smith Ohio St. 44. New Orleans G Tre Jackson Florida St. 45. Minnesota WR Dorial Green-Beckham Missouri 46. San Francisco LB Benardrick McKinney Mississippi St. 47. Miami S Quinten Rollins Miami (Ohio) 48. San Diego WR Devin Funchess Michigan 49. Kansas City LB Stephone Anthony Clemson 50. Buffalo QB Bryce Petty Baylor 51. Houston LB Denzel Perryman Miami (FL) 52. Philadelphia WR Tyler Lockett Kansas St. 53. Cincinnati OT Donovan Smith Penn St. 54. Detroit DT Jordan Phillips Oklahoma 55. Arizona LB Eric Kendricks UCLA 56. Pittsburgh OLB Hau'Oli Kikaha Washington 57. Carolina WR Sammie Coates Auburn 58. Baltimore TE Maxx Williams Minnesota 59. Denver DT Carl Davis Iowa 60. Dallas DT Michael Bennett Ohio St. 61. Indianapolis DE Danielle Hunter LSU 62. Green Bay TE Clive Walford Miami (FL) 63. Seattle CB Ronald Darby Florida St. 64. New England WR Chris Conley Georgia Round 3 PICK TEAM POSITION PLAYER SCHOOL 65. Tampa Bay DE Mario Edwards Florida St. 66. Tennessee DE Trey Flowers Arkansas 67. Jacksonville CB P.J. Williams Florida St. 68. Oakland LB Paul Dawson TCU 69. Washington G A.J. Cann South Carolina 70. New York Jets QB Garrett Grayson Colorado St. 71. Chicago DE Henry Anderson Stanford 72. St. Louis CB D'Joun Smith Florida Atlantic 73. Atlanta WR Justin Hardy East Carolina 74. New York Giants S/LB Shaq Thompson Washington 75. New Orleans CB Senquez Golson Ole Miss 76. Minnesota RB Jay Ajayi Boise St. 77. Cleveland QB Brett Hundley UCLA 78. New Orleans OT Daryl Williams Oklahoma 79. San Francisco WR Stefon Diggs Maryland 80. Kansas City S Damarious Randall Arizona St. 81. Buffalo G Ali Marpet Hobart 82. Houston CB Ifo Ekpre-Olomu Oregon 83. San Diego RB Ameer Abdullah Nebraska 84. Philadelphia G Ty Sambrailo Colorado St. 85. Cincinnati WR Tre McBride William & Mary 86. Arizona OLB Nate Orchard Utah 87. Pittsburgh S Derron Smith Fresno St. 88. Detroit RB Duke Johnson Miami (FL) 89. Carolina S James Sample Louisville 90. Baltimore WR Dezmin Lewis Central Arkansas 91. Dallas RB Jeremy Langford Michigan St. 92. Denver LB Lorenzo Mauldin Louisville 93. Indianapolis CB Josh Shaw USC 94. Green Bay DT Xavier Cooper Washington St. 95. Seattle C Hroniss Grasu Oregon 96. New England RB David Johnson Northern Iowa (Comp pick) 97. New England CB Alex Carter Stanford (Comp pick) 98. Kansas City WR Rashad Greene Florida St. (Comp pick) 99. Cincinnati TE Jeff Heuerman Ohio St. (Comp pick) Didn't paste as it was supposed to. Let me try a different method. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Ugh.... No. Wilson falls into the exceedingly rare fluke category. Well that makes it easy, any pick that does not fall into your comment goes into the fluke pick area. He was drafted in the 3rd round with the thought he was going to develop at some point in time. If you were the Hawks GM you would not have drafted him. Rodgers was a 1st rd pick who some though should have been taken #1 overall. The fact that he sat behind Favre for years does not mean he wasnt a great prospect. He was probably ready to play long before he saw the field. GB pulled the trigger because he was too good to pass even though they didnt "need" him. Rogers sat behind Favre for 2 or 3 or 4 years, that makes him a developmental QB. Brees was the 1st pick in the 2nd round. Yeah he was and he ended up being an all pro, perhaps you need to define your 'if not picked early don;t bother statement. Brady the rarest of flukes. Yes and if the Pats had not bothered drafting a Qb they wouldn't have him. The point is, is you don't have a franchise Qb you should always be looking for one at least that can give you a chance. The ideal situation is to identity the franchise guy and go up and get him but even that does not work. (See RG3) So you keep picking them at some point in the draft. You really need to look at the collection of crap taken after round 1 over the past 25 years to understand the term "exceedingly rare." Plenty of articles out there about it. You know who else were developmentals? McElroy, Clemens, Blake, Bollinger, Ainge, Clements, ... etc. There is a big diffrrence between a quality prospect and developmental at QB. 1st round prospects hit probably around 35% with a higher rate at the top of rd 1 closer to 45%. These are educated guesstimates. Approximately 99% trash for developmentals. The %'s are the same for almost any position, this is not unique to QB. QB just happens to be by far the most important position on a team. It's bizarre that the mentality in this league is to only worry about the starter at QB when people go all in for development and depth of other positions. Hey, I've said if before this draft just sucks for QB's, really lousy. Still I endorse taking a chance on a mid to late round Qb just as much as a mid to late round player at any other spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peekskill68 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 A couple of pretty good RB's being passed over in Rd 3 (Ajayi and Abdullah) for a developmental QB? Not sure about that one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted April 16, 2015 Author Share Posted April 16, 2015 Latest mocks on NFL.com from Charles Davis and Charley Casserly have us picking Shane Ray as MM would be off the board. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/mock-drafts Guess I'm the mock police today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Russell wilson was a developmental QB. To a lesser extend Rogers and Brees were as well. Brady certainly was.The difference with those guys was that they were studs, but had that BUT issue. Wilson and Brees were top 5 picks but they were too short. They had the top level attributes in other places. These guys like Petty are just average talents, there's no BUT. Petty was an average talent coming out of high school went to the best offensive mind in college and blew up. But he's still just an average talent. Like when you hear things like if Grayson just went to Bama or OSU, he'd be a top pick. No, theres a reason those schools didn't recruit guys like him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 The difference with those guys was that they were studs, but had that BUT issue. Wilson and Brees were top 5 picks but they were too short. They had the top level attributes in other places. These guys like Petty are just average talents, there's no BUT. Petty was an average talent coming out of high school went to the best offensive mind in college and blew up. But he's still just an average talent. Like when you hear things like if Grayson just went to Bama or OSU, he'd be a top pick. No, theres a reason those schools didn't recruit guys like him. This is not really a fair discussion because we KNOW the guys i listed are good and unless you made these evaluations of them all before hand it's not a proper comparison. I'll say one thing, if you never draft a 'developmental' Qb after round one you will never find one of these after round one gems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetfan13 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Since we don't know who will be available at #6, I'll pick three player in order. Rd 1 - Cooper WR/ Flowers OLB/ White WR Rd 2 - Tre Jackson OG/ AJ Cann OG/ Dorsett WR Rd 3 - Duke Johnson RB/ Jay Ajayi RB/ Tevin Coleman RB Rd 4 - Best Player Dorsett cant catch a cold. Reminds me of an old timer, Jimmy Hines. Fastest guy in the NFL but couldn't catch a ball if his life depended on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 A couple of pretty good RB's being passed over in Rd 3 (Ajayi and Abdullah) for a developmental QB? Not sure about that one... Wow.... Keiper has Armstead going @ 15. As TB GM I traded up and snagged him at 29. As far as Jets, I agree with Peekskill and take the RB's over Grayson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoadFan Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 This is not really a fair discussion because we KNOW the guys i listed are good and unless you made these evaluations of them all before hand it's not a proper comparison. I'll say one thing, if you never draft a 'developmental' Qb after round one you will never find one of these after round one gems.If you never play the lottery... you wont win it either. The odds of actually winning are astronomical. Everything is about odds. History shows that the odds of early 1st rd QB success is decent. Odds of mid-late 1st rounders are OK and justifiable. Playing the QB lotto after the 1st round, early 2nds like Brees NOT included, is almost flushing picks down the toilet. Playing the real lotto is truthfully flushing $$ down the toilet. But hey... maybe the Jets 4th rd QB pick becomes a 7 year backup... yippeee! Which is honestly the most realistic hope one can have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 If you never play the lottery... you wont win it either. The odds of actually winning are astronomical. Everything is about odds. History shows that the odds of early 1st rd QB success is decent. Odds of mid-late 1st rounders are OK and justifiable. Playing the QB lotto after the 1st round, early 2nds like Brees NOT included, is almost flushing picks down the toilet. Playing the real lotto is truthfully flushing $$ down the toilet. But hey... maybe the Jets 4th rd QB pick becomes a 7 year backup... yippeee! Which is honestly the most realistic hope one can have. Utter nonsense, once again a response WAY over the top, if you made lotto odds much much much more reasonable your point would have any weight. Also this thought that taking QB's is a wasted pick vs any other position is bizarre. ALL positions bust, your odds of getting starters or good back ups increase the higher you pick them. This is especially ridiculous considering the importance of the position. It's a horrible crime to throw away a pick on a late round Qb but it's just fine to draft some jag Wr, ot, TE, dlineman. There have also been a LOT of 1st round Qb busts. So the question is where do you get your QB from? Andrew Lucks come around once every 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Latest mocks on NFL.com from Charles Davis and Charley Casserly have us picking Shane Ray as MM would be off the board. http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/mock-drafts Guess I'm the mock police today If we draft that, light in the ass, short armed "DE" when what we need an Pass Rushing OLB, I will kick in my brand new TV. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Dorsett cant catch a cold. Reminds me of an old timer, Jimmy Hines. Fastest guy in the NFL but couldn't catch a ball if his life depended on it. Dude seriously, you might want to get those eyes checked. He has had a few drops but you are WAY exaggerating when you say he can't catch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Island Leprechaun Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Utter nonsense, once again a response WAY over the top, if you made lotto odds much much much more reasonable your point would have any weight. Also this thought that taking QB's is a wasted pick vs any other position is bizarre. ALL positions bust, your odds of getting starters or good back ups increase the higher you pick them. This is especially ridiculous considering the importance of the position. It's a horrible crime to throw away a pick on a late round Qb but it's just fine to draft some jag Wr, ot, TE, dlineman. There have also been a LOT of 1st round Qb busts. So the question is where do you get your QB from? Andrew Lucks come around once every 10 years. I think the argument is getting skewed. QB's taken after the second round are rarely expected to be starters. Once in a while a team gets lucky, or an unforeseen injury catapults a back up into starter status and he thrives. If the Jets are looking to improve their depth at QB (i.e., improving on Simms) they are perfectly okay to draft a guy like Mannion in the 4th (they have no 5th) or, if they see some NFL level talent, a Grayson or Garrett. If they are looking to land Russell Wilson, the odds against that are indeed incredible, Brady? wildly improbable. Those are almost of the nature of miracle picks. Because QB's always get relatively higher valuation, almost any QB with a modicum of talent will go higher that other positions. That's the nature of the beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.thumb.jpg.bfeccbb418051302514639370fc6b9e3.jpg)
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.