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Roger Goodell says Deflategate report should be released 'soon'...***updated 5/6: REPORT RELEASED*** (starts page 8)

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Yeah so they get a slap on the wrist when there is video catching them red handed... do you really think anything significant will come out of this? Not a chance.

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I think there is a chance. And I think the long delay in announcing results suggests that exoneration is not what the investigation found. 

 

I do not expect exoneration. I expect wrist slap with some corporate-speak about how policies and procedures were not followed but there was no intent to obtain unfair competitive advantage and that none was gained. Thus the results of the season are inviolate and legitimate. From a business perspective, I don't see how Goodell can go another way without calling into question the legitimacy of the champion. Above all he is paid to protect the brand, and a serious punishment without stripping a title would be bad for business. The fact that there is no decision before the draft--despite ample time--to me indicates that no serious punishment is forthcoming.

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Alas, you may be right. But as to no decision before the draft, it could come tomorrow morning. If so, perhaps Kraft and Goodell have had a falling out.

 

No way Goodell--who serves at the pleasure of the owners--is going to levy a punishment that results in draft upheaval the day before the draft.

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Gosh, you're killing the last rays of hope. No chance Goodell will find some morality?

 

I don't see it. But hey it's just one man's opinion; believe in the dream!

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PatsFan:   I think people (or I should speak for myself) are just upset because it suggests that there is favoritism on behalf of Goodell towards the Patriots.  It just seems strange that the decision is coming soon or  shortly after the draft and also after nothing can affect the Patriots from getting their players for the 2015 Season.  Personally,  I don't think the deflated balls made a difference in the outcome of the game.  It's more like the appearance of impropriety that bugs me. 

 

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I think Goodell is telling time by Geno's watch when he says "soon"

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There is nothing on the Pats.

They would have been docked 2015 draft picks if there was.

 

while i don't believe it was a mistake/accident/coincidence that 11 out of 12 or whatever balls were flat, i do agree with you the punishment will be minor/non-existent. fine for not following league protocols and procedures is my guess. even if goodell was convinced pats did something, calling the championship game's legitamacy into question is bad for the brand and preventing that is his job numero uno that he is paid $20M+ a year to do.

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I agree that there's no way the league can admit the Super Bowl champs cheater.  But I think they'll be cleared of any wrong doing.  Something along the lines of "We saw no proof to suggest the Patriots purposely deflated the balls in that game or any others in the past"

 

That will be the end of it - Pats won't gloat or demand an apology - that will be Kraft's punishment (although Pat fans will) 

 

 

It will be interesting. goodell is nothing if not a politician. the "investigation" is probably long over and right now he is thinking how he can punish pats in some way to appease those who feel they cheated while also not making the punishment such that it impugns the integrity of the superbowl. that's why i predict a very milquetoast "policies were not followed but the investigation determined that those protocol violations conferred no competitive impact on the game(s)" type of king solomon ruling with a cash fine--the ruling will be timed as such in hopes it has limited legs... like maybe beginning of training camp or if there is some major global calamity between now and then. then there will be a quiet rule change for 2016 where the league supplies the balls or certifies them on the sideline right before kickoff or something

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The balls were flat!

Whr re did you hear this?

 

i know you're going to defend them, and that's fine. i'm less interested in debating whether it happened or not at this point but very interested to see how goodell unties this thing. nice to see someone who gets paid $20M earn it by squirming a little

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Who is going to be the fall guy/person is the mystery-

 

we all are. having to endure another offseason of brady ballwashing

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Time will tell.  I'm gonna' say Pats get no penalty of any significance if anything at all...and stadiums will be packed every Sunday...again.

 

and i don't blame goodell one bit for doing nothing. would be much more detrimental to the game if he takes away draft picks for cheating but let's the championship stand. he has two choices: little/no punishment or big punishment/endure endless abuse for not stripping title. NFL will never strip a title. ever.

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Fans complained about the titles last time he destroyed evidence and it went away.  That cheating scandal was far worse than this one. 

 

moral of story, if you are going to cheat make sure you win it all and you're untouchable!

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There was no wrong doing.

 

 Goodell was posing for pics with Patriot players at the Derby. Why would he do that if there was any truth to the Colts and Ravens whining?

 

He is a politician. This just in... OJ didn't do it!

 

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The .1% are Jets fans.

 

They keep waiting and hoping.

 

I think most Jets fans know Pats are going to get off scot free

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Goodell works for 31 other NFL owners.

 

He didn't have to have his pic taken at the derby, but Goodell did because he already knows that NE will be cleared of any wrong doing.

 

lol riiiiight. "sorry i can't take my picture with you because i think your coach deflated footballs. begone!"

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"Throughout the process of this nearly four-month investigation, we have cooperated and patiently awaited its outcome. To say we are disappointed in its findings, which do not include any incontrovertible or hard evidence of deliberate deflation of footballs at the AFC Championship Game, would be a gross understatement," Kraft wrote.

 

Well that would be an interesting standard. Even though the NFL had that kind of evidence last time we went through this... and they destroyed it. Give it a rest, loser.

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Really the only appropriate punishment for brady is the brazen bull

 

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300 page report with scientific analysis of pressure drops due to temperate etc etc not one thing about whether or not competitive edge was obtained. bogus report

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Of course there's nothing about competitive advantage. Why would there be? There's no data.

 

Hence, an investigation. This is shaping up to a "policies weren't followed, no indication competitive advantage was obtained (because we didn't look for it)"-slap-on-wrist type of penalty/fine.

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DeflateGate report shows Patriots staffers texting ‘F--k tom,’ when discussing deflating Tom Brady’s footballs 

NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Wednesday, May 6, 2015, 3:06 PM
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461747282.jpgElsa/Getty Images Text messages between two Patriots staffers show Jim McNally, a 32-year Patriots employee, routinely trashing Tom Brady, writing ‘F--k tom,’ in text messages with John Jastremski.

“F--k Tom.”

The man who was deflating Tom Brady’s footballs wasn’t a fan of the Patriots quarterback, text messages included in Ted Wells’ report on DeflateGate show.

Exchanges between Jim McNally and John Jastremski — the Patriots employees who handled the footballs that were deflated — are littered with McNally blistering Brady, routinely writing “F--k tom” in exchanges with Jastremski.

Wells’ DeflateGate report — which found that Brady was “generally aware” of the practice of deflating footballs — included a series of texts between the two, with McNally trashing the four-time Super Bowl champ.

Following New England’s 27-25 win over the Jets in Week 7, Brady “complained angrily” about the inflation levels of the footballs, the report stated, which prompted an exchange between McNally and Jastremski.

“Tom sucks,” McNally wrote in a text message to Jastremski. “im going to make that next ball a f--king balloon.”

RELATED: PATRIOTS OWNER ROBERT KRAFT CALLS DEFLATEGATE FINDINGS 'INCOMPREHENSIBLE'

A week later, on October 23, Jastremski texted McNally “Can’t wait to give you your needle this week:)” to which McNally responded, “F--k tom....make sure the pump is attached to the needle.....f--kin watermelons coming.”

“So angry,” Jastremski responded.

“The only thing deflating sun..is his passing rating,” McNally responded.

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The report also shows that the two were aware of deflating footballs as early as May of 2014, with McNally referring to himself as “the deflator” in texts with Jastremski.

McNally worked for the Patriots for 32 years as a seasonal part-time employee and, judging from the text messages, knew that the Patriots were playing fast and loose with the rules.

“I’m not going to ESPN........ yet,” he texted Jastremski on May 9, 2014.

In addition to cursing Brady, McNally also seemed to want some sort of payment in exchange for his ball deflating services.

“I have a big needle for u this week,” Jastremski wrote to McNally before a Week 8 game against the Bears.

“Better be surrounded by cash and newkicks....or its a rugby sunday,” McNally responded. “F--k tom.”

McNally and Jastremski were key figures in the investigation, with their names appearing 498 and 543 times, respectively, in the report. By comparison, Brady’s name appears 378 times.

 

Only in Pat Land is this not a "smoking gun." Hell they convicted Hernandez on less.

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No amount of investigation changes the fact that in order to determine whether there's a competitive advantage from deflating the balls, you need to have a sample of games known to have been played with deflated balls to compare to games known not to have been played with deflated balls.

 

My point is the report didn't address it, but that won't stop the NFL from saying "there is no evidence of such a thing" as if they even attempted to look for any. And by the way, how can you EVER prove or disprove competitive advantage? The rule exists SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO. Break the rule, the presumption is that you cheated to gain unfair advantage, and should be punished as such. If a poker player gets caught with an Ace up his sleeve, he can't walk out of the casino with his finger bones intact by saying "but you can't prove I used that card to win any hands."

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that's not "evidence" that's pretty colors on a picture.

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This really isn't hard.

 

Seems to be giving your noodle a workout.

 

Rules exist so you don't have to prove competitive advantage was obtained. Break the rule, the presumption is that you cheated to gain unfair advantage, and should be punished as such. If a poker player gets caught with an Ace up his sleeve, he can't walk out of the casino with his finger bones intact by saying "but you can't prove I used that card to win any hands."

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'competitive advantage' is totally irrelevant in this case and is being used to muddy the waters.  The balls were illegal according to the rules, the balls were tampered with.  If the NFL wants to have a study on whether it matters or not be all means do so but in this case it means nothing at all.

 

Exactly. The burden shouldn't be on the NFL to prove competitive advantage was gained. Once they show a rule was violated, the presumption is that it was done to obtain an advantage and the burden shifts on the violator to show that isn't the case.

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I'm not the one complaining that such a showing wasn't made. I just explained why it wasn't.

 

Yes my wife also perceives "observations" as "complaints." Let's just chalk this one up to gender differences.

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Then why are you complaining about the fact that the report didn't address it?

 

I am observing that it did not and predicting that the NFL with use said omission to support a statement that "there is no evidence" that competitive advantage was gained, despite the fact that the investigators were not charged with searching for or determining such evidence. It is a discussion on an NFL discussion board. The better question is why are you complaining about someone else's opinions?

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Let's chalk this up to one of us being good at our job.

 

What's the pay for a professional internet nit-picker nowadays?

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That is completely and patently ridiculous. Why would anyone have to prove results to prove that a fundamental rule was breached and done so with intent to gain advantage. If a guy enters a bank with a loaded gun and holds it up, but it happens to be a day when the bank vault is empty, does he avoid arrest and conviction? Those f'kers should get nailed. The report itself is a disgrace of waffling, but the evidence is compelling enough that the whole world is going to burn the NFL down if Krafty's buddy the Commish tries to side step or minimize. Brady - full season suspension. Pats - 1st round draft pick forfeited.

 

Logic is lost on our fair friend, I am afraid.

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And the distinction between observation and complaint has what to do with the fact that determining whether a competitive advantage was gained requires more than whatever 'investigation' you're suggesting. Your ideas are dumb whether you consent to their characterization as complaints or not.

 

Galileo had a dumb idea once too, according to the people who didn't understand it.

 

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My response is whatever is simple enough for you to understand and wrong enough to refute. In very small words.

 

Don't worry love, it'll sink in for you. Just give it time.

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Smaller. Hoots and grunts. Pretend it's the Alabama strength coach talking about how much AJ McCarron squats.

 

Haiku time? How fun! Let me try.

 

Feigns ambivalence, emotional wreck inside, dies alone. Many cats.

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I think you answered your own question right here. The fact that an under inflated ball provides an offense with an unfair competitive advantage is a given. A softer ball is easier to grip, throw, catch, and hold onto. It doesn't need to be stated in this report why a team would deflate their footballs. The answer is obvious.

 

 

Yes, in a logical and just world, that would be it. Still predict when a punishment is decided you will see a statement from Goodell that "there is no proof competitive advantage was sought or obtained." Just a prediction.

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Apparently there is "smoking gun evidence"

 

"Video evidence from pregame of AFC Championship shows McNally detouring to bathroom with two bags of game balls after taking them from officials' dressing room. He remained in bathroom for 1 minute, 40 seconds and then took both bags to field."

 

everyone knows Patriots pee sitting down so the fact he was only in there for less than two minutes is a dead giveaway. I wonder if the tape has already been destroyed.

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Big ass money fine. No games suspended. My prediction.

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