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Roger Goodell says Deflategate report should be released 'soon'...***updated 5/6: REPORT RELEASED*** (starts page 8)

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That reasoning is exactly backward. If there is nothing, why wouldn't the league announce it immediately?

 

Not really.

 

If there is nothing there and they want to really slam the Patriots, then why not turn over every leaf regardless of the impatience of JN?

 

There is either nothing there.

 

A sh*t ton there.

 

Or they are lawyers and are driving up the billable hours.

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You seem to be implying it is the investigators who are holding it up. I interpret what Goodell said to mean the league has the report already, and the league is holding it up. I think the only reason the league would hold it up is because there is evidence of guilt.

 

First, they are lawyers..so yeah.

 

Second, it makes little sense to hold off on punishment.  Goodell punished the Falcons a 2016 draft pick.  They can do the same to the Patriots if that is your contention.  They could have done a WWE spoof and tear up the draft card of Malcolm Brown if they wanted.

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It makes a great deal of sense to hold off on punishment. They just won the SB. It would be supremely embarrassing to the league to have to punish the league champs for cheating. It would call the integrity of the win into question.

 

Why? 

 

It is not like they were up 28-0 with the under inflated balls and barely hung with properly inflated balls.  They played better with inflated balls and won the Superbowl with properly inflated balls.

 

It makes more sense to move on from it.  If the Patriots are as evil as everyone hopes, then it is not going to be easier with time.  The old adage of bad news does not get better with time applies here.

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Keep in mind Goodell said the league was interested in whether this went beyond just one game. That gives the physicist license to investigate fumble rate stats. Don't focus on just the one game.

 

As well they should.  Good luck with that though.  If the AFC Championship game is an example of their process, it will be hard to prove anything.

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I pretty much agree with everything you said above.

 

Brown was a good pick and it filled a need.

 

Richards could have been had in the 4th, let alone the 2nd.

 

A reach on a safety in the second.  Sounds eerily familiar.  :)

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Depends on the standard of proof. It might be tough to prove in a court of law. But if the physicist says the improvement in fumble rate is statistically impossible, that might be enough proof for the league. Especially in the case of a team that previously was found to have cheated. I think the standard of proof may be fairly low.

 

True, but do you see Roger trying to slam the Patriots with hersay after dicking everything up in 2014?  I do not.

 

If there is clear evidence, I think he would slam the team, coach, etc.  However, if there is not, then it might be a slap on the hand like Woody got.

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I remember a 1st round NE reach for a safety....      How about that Tebucky Jones guy?   LOL

 

Did you guys know that Tebucky Jones' kid was eligible for this year's draft?

 

Tebucky Jones, Jr.,  WR, Fordham (Senior, 5'11", 196)

 

No one drafted him.  Let's see if he signs as an UDFA somewhere.

 

*Shutters*

 

Yeah, but that was not Bill's fault.  I think that was a Pete pick.

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If the Spygate and Deflategate investigations (both of which angered Kraft to no end and resulted in an unprecedented fine in the former case and an unprecedented pre-Super Bowl distraction in the latter case) were the product of an improper relationship with Goodell, then Kraft is not getting much bang for his improper relationship bucks. 

 

You would think 44 million a year would reap more benefits.

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I suspect Goodell very well may not hit the Pats, even if they deserve it. But that is a dark suspicion, not based on the facts of the case but on what may be an improper relationship  between Goodell and Kraft.. And hearsay has nothing to do with it. To make a case for the statistical impossibility of the fumble rate improvement and its lining up in time with the rule change, a complete independent analysis would be required. And if the physicist, or a mathematician whose help he may seek, produces such an analysis and it does in fact show it is impossible for the improvement to have occurred without something beyond the rules having occurred, that would be a solid reason for severe punishment. No hearsay involved whatsoever. 

 

If they do attach it that way, hopefully they will not use the tragically flawed Sharp report which has been torn to shreds.  Showing the Patriots better numbers are not so much an outlier, but more a good trend.

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The Pats flipped him to the Saints for a bounty of draft picks (3rd, 4th and 7th), so he couldn't have been all bad.   

 

He was no Tavon Wilson.  :)  If I remember  correctly, he was kind of like McCourty, made some plays with his athleticism and missed plays by being out of position.

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2 lbs of PSI is the equivalent of a feather.

 

But whatever floats your boat.

 

Tex remember only one ball was under 2 PSI under.  Several were only half a feather and the remaining were at 'tick' under so a quarter feather.

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Who is going to be the fall guy/person is the mystery-

 

Alonzo Dennard  :)

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I hadn't heard any of that. But if true, it certainly gives the lie to the Belichick science experiments. No way there would be that much variation between the balls if the deflation was due to natural causes.

 

 The original leak, Kravitz,  was 11 of 12 were 2lbs under.

 

Then Florio (I believe) said only one was 2 under, several were about a pound and the remaining were a tick or not under.

 

The lie is that the Patriots gauged them and then the refs gauged them. SWAG here, but I am guessing there was nothing more than a grip test.  Tom probably did not liike the 1-2 lbs under and they let air out. 

 

The refs grabbed and thought they are good.

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I wish it were true, but I think you're wrong...SB had largest audience in history, a trillion people watched the draft...the NFL has moved on and so has 99.9% of the country.

 

So you are saying.1% is JN.  :)

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Who is this "they" you say it is who let air out for Brady? Is this supposed to be sarcasm? And you really think the refs would not do the job right when they know the balls will be tested again at the half?

 

They would be whomever does that for the Patriots.  Do you really think Tom puts a gauge in every ball? Lets air out.  Really?

 

And why is it so hard to comprehend that maybe just maybe the refs do a half assed job of checking the balls?  Oh, I know they are doctors and lawyers and other professionsals, of course they would do the most monotnous thing in their lives. 

 

I am sure they followed the correct procedure at half.  That is not when we are talking about.  It is their check two hours before that is in question.  Of course they record everything....oh yeah...we have to take their word for it.

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Hey PFSIKH, did you post that from the grassy knoll?

 

Clearly.  :)

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I see your point.  But once you get caught cheating you no longer get the benefit of the doubt.  We all know the Patriot cheated to get an advantage.  Probably not enough to get caught but it would be silly to think they didn't cheat this time.  

 

Nor should they, but that does not mean they are also automatically guilty. 

 

99% of this is that it is the Patriots.  If it were any other team, fans and the league would not have their panties in a bunch as much as they do because it is the Patriots.

 

 

Because they knew something was up since the balls were being retested at the half.

 

Do we know that for sure?  Baldino said there was no sting.

 

And I might be wrong with the timeline, but it was the Colts ball boy that thought it was under and he brought it to the attention of the Colts FO who informed the NFL who tested the balls at halftime.  Otherwise no retest.

 

Seriously, think it out.  If all of a sudden the NFL appeared in the refs room to ensure they measured all the balls properly and that the balls were at the very least minimum psi and they escorted the balls to the field and did not let the old guy take a piss then you have a point.  And at the very least, the refs would have recorded the pressure ball 1 =x, ball 2 = y.........

 

What we know is the refs said they were good, but they have no definitive proof they were good other than their word.

 

 

Avg PSI is 12.5 lbs

2 lbs is roughly 16% - a non-retarded person would say that's significant.

Oh and since when did a feather weigh 2lbs?!?

 

It is 2 pounds of air.  So it is not actually 2 pounds. 

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What weighs more?  Two pounds of bricks or two pounds of feathers? 

 

That was not the context of his question.

 

His question was in regards to 2 lbs of air pressure. 

 

I am guessing 2lbs of air pressure is close to a feather than two pounds of bricks.  :)

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Perhaps I should have been more clear.  I didn't say they cheated IN the SB, I said they won SB's by cheating...as in, we know they were cheating during the season's leading up to SB wins.  You don't get to the SB w/o winning enough games to make the playoffs.  If you or anyone else wants to believe they only cheated to GET to the SB where they would then stop cheating, that's your choice..  The only facts we have are that they were cheating to win football games.  Once that was abundantly clear, all of the evidence was burned.  If the evidence was harmless, it would have been returned to the Pats and/or shown to reporters to assure fans that nothing shady occurred during NE SB runs. 

 

So no, I don't know that the New England Patriots cheated during the SB itself, just in games that they had to win to get to the SB.

 

How can you punish a team for taping signals, not stealing signals because that is legal in the NFL, but return the tapes? 

 

Does that sound like it makes sense?

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Punish them for what the whole world saw them doing, destroy tapes containing what nobody saw them doing, pretend SB wins were legit.  That, to me, doesn't make sense.

 

The whole world sees NFL teams sending in signals.  They used cameras. 

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They cheated, yeah so what else is new?

 

Exactly.

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Hilarious text prior to this game about giving the assistant a "big needle for you this week" vs. Bears.....

here's Cindy's stats:

 

 

New England Passing   C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG T. Brady 30/35 354 10.1 5 TD 0 INT  98.8 148.4 J. Garoppolo 3/3 22 7.3 0 0 1-11 7.3 97.2 Team 33/38 365 9.9 5 0 1-11 -- --

 

Not a good example.  The Bears D had a 101.7 QB rating against.

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Makes no sense, if they would've not cheated they would be no dominance. Try again. 

 

http://espn.go.com/blog/minnesota-vikings/post/_/id/11218/nfl-aware-of-game-ball-incident-during-panthers-vikings

 

This doctoring story did not grab hold because it is two crappy teams.

 

I am not saying that Brady is innocent.  At best he has plausible deniability.

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You're right.....here's his stats from the previous week vs. the Jets and their cornerbacks:

 
New England Passing   C/ATT YDS AVG TD INT SACKS QBR RTG T. Brady 20/37 261 7.1 3 0 1-1 81.7 103.5 Team 20/37 260 7.1 3 0 1-1 -- --

biggest thing I take away is a significant drop in completion % and AVG all against the worst secondary in the league. This was the game he was pissed about balls not being deflated according to texts

 

He was pissed, but the guy said they were almost 16 lbs.  It is what it is.

 

 

I said it in the thread where brady was obviously lying through his teeth to the nation;

 

the cover up is worse than the crime.

 

they way they should have handled it was obvious.  the should have stepped up to the microphone, admitted they did it, and said simply "and we would have won that game if we played with an australian rules football or a rugby ball.  we kicked their asses"

 

 

 but nooooooooooo

 

they had to get cute and deny it

 

there are 31 billionaires putting the heat on gooddell to stop this sh*t once and for all

 

he needs to bring the hammer down

 

100% agree.  I think this is what gets Brady a suspension.

 

Deflating balls happens, but not be forthcoming is going to hurt him.

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On top of that in this video he is using charities for kids as cover from answering questions about Deflategate. That is essentially the lowest of lowlife stuff right there.

 

Seriously are you a sh*tbag reporter?

 

How can you defend reporters asking him questions about deflategate when he is at a charity event for children.

 

Stop being a fanboy and really think that out or at least try.

 

Plenty of time to question him, but when he is at a charity even that is ridivulous.

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  1. Kraft owns 1/32 of the league. I hope he and all the other owners got a copy of this early.  I would hope as an owner I got it before it went public so I knew how to respond.

 

 

Exactly.

 

Hey, a sh*t storm is about to start.

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Statement from Tom Brady's agent, Don Yee:

"The Wells report, with all due respect, is a significant and terrible disappointment. It’s omission of key facts and lines of inquiry suggest the investigators reached a conclusion first, and then determined so-called facts later. One item alone taints this entire report. What does it say about the league office’s protocols and ethics when it allows one team to tip it off to an issue prior to a championship game, and no league officials or game officials notified the Patriots of the same issue prior to the game? This suggests it may be more probable than not that the league cooperated with the Colts in perpetrating a sting operation. The Wells report buries this issue in a footnote on page 46 without any further elaboration. The league is a significant client of the investigators' law firm; it appears to be a rich source of billings and media exposure based on content in the law firm's website. This was not an independent investigation and the contents of the report bear that out – all one has to do is read closely and critically, as opposed to simply reading headlines. The investigators' assumptions and inferences are easily debunked or subject to multiple interpretations. Much of the report’s vulnerabilities are buried in the footnotes, which is a common legal writing tactic. It is a sad day for the league as it has abdicated the resolution of football-specific issues to people who don’t understand the context or culture of the sport. I was physically present for my client’s interview. I have verbatim notes of the interview. Tom made himself available for nearly an entire day and patiently answered every question. It was clear to me the investigators had limited understanding of professional football. For reasons unknown, the Wells report omitted nearly all of Tom’s testimony, most of which was critical because it would have provided this report with the context that it lacks. Mr. Wells promised back in January to share the results of this investigation publicly, so why not follow through and make public all of the information gathered and let the public draw its own conclusions? This report contains significant and tragic flaws, and it is common knowledge in the legal industry that reports like this generally are written for the benefit of the purchaser."

 

"Benefit of the purchaser"?  Why would it benefit the NFL to have its biggest marquee star and dynasty team get slammed like this?  And is he saying that the NFL should have accused them of cheating before the game without any evidence?  And yes, the law firm was paid for their work.  That is how it is done.  This is really desperate stuff.

 

Yes.

 

Google it.  That company specializes in providing 'scientific' reports that back the people that hire them.

 

They had a report that argued second hand smoke does not cause cancer.  Read that again. 

 

His lawyer brings up a great question where is Tom's testimony?  You want to paint a brush with texts and infer conclusions, what was Tom asked?  What did he say?  I hope Yee publishes his notes.  

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Seriously? It's not like they were asking about one of his teammates murdering someone. Though they could have and it would have still been relevant. 

 

He plays for the Patriots. He catches passes from Tom Brady. Do you think the TV reporter was there to cover the charity event? 

 

Grow up. 

 

Very true.  I am not saying he should not be asked, but wait until after the event instead of during the event. 

 

At some point, when  not surrounded by kids, he left.  Then it is game on.

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Well, I looked at the technical appendices and I think they did a great job. Of course, as a Jet fan, my impartial scientific credentials might be questioned. But the nice thing about science is that anyone can read those appendices and reach their own conclusions. Personally, I think the work will stand up to scrutiny. But let's see if there are technical objections raised from other quarters. Now, please notice I am only interested in technical objections, not polemics based on supposed biased reports from the past.

 

I stopped when I got to that section.  Way too technical for me.

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Your indignation delights me. :happy0071:

 

And you must lead a truly sad life.

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It's actually not all that technical. No equations. Just pictures of equipment and some graphs. I recommend it to anyone who has had high school chemistry. It paints a very clear picture of how the Colts' balls can be explained by natural phenomena, but not the Pats' balls. At least as compelling for me as the text quotes.

 

Yeah, I lasted about three before realizing I had risen to my level of incompetence.

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Don't we all?

 

Yeah, pretty much.  :)

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Says a troll on a Jets message board........

 

pot-kettle.jpg?w=300

 

:)

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You might want to think about learning to take a joke.  It's all in good fun.

 

I know.  I am a troll.  It is what I do.  :)

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I am sure he has more life than a guy who trolls on rival football fan websites.

 

Maybe so, but then again..I was invited here by the owner.  So I have that going for me.  :)

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