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Stop living in a dreamworld.

The Pats have kicked the Jets ass for well over a decade now.

It won't stop this year either.

 

With no secondary and no Brady for the first quarter of the season things may not turn out as well for you as you think.

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Guys this is awesome. The Pats are cheaters. We know this, but now there is more proof.

 

Not sure why this thread would go off track ( I deleted a lot of posts) ... just enjoy this great news!

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Guys this is awesome. The Pats are cheaters. We know this, but now there is more proof.

 

Not sure why this thread would go off track ( I deleted a lot of posts) ... just enjoy this great news!

 

 

I could give a few reason but the important thing is we all crap all over the Pats as a family.  A great big happy crapping family.  

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Even Boston writers are admitting the obvious.

 

More tarnish on Patriot legacy, this time tainting Tom Brady
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shaughnessy.pngBy Dan Shaughnessy Globe Columnist  May 07, 2015

It’s a bad day for the Patriots. It’s an especially bad day for New England’s iconic quarterback, Tom Brady.

The Patriots are Super Bowl champs, but the NFL also believes the Patriots are cheaters. The Patriots certainly didn’t need to illegally deflate footballs to beat the Indianapolis Colts, 45-7, in the AFC Championship game, but according to Ted Wells’s report released Wednesday, they went ahead and did it anyway.

The reports also says it is “more probable than not” that Brady “was at least generally aware” of the tampering. Golden Boy Tom is likely to be sanctioned when the NFL doles out its punishment in the wake of the damning report issued Wednesday afternoon.

So there. Deflategate takes its place alongside Spygate. The damage to the Patriot brand is universal and eternal. Brady, the Patriots, and their fans have to live with it.

Patriot toadies no doubt will line up to say that the league did not prove anything that would hold up in a court of law (Brady’s dad has already labeled it “Framegate”). It’s all circumstantial, they’ll say. Plus, it says right in the report that Bob Kraft and Bill Belichick knew nothing about the intentional deflation of the footballs. It was just a couple of rogue equipment guys breaking the rules.

Good luck with that one, folks. Bend yourself into a pretzel if you must, but Brady and the Patriots are insulting your intelligence if they want you to believe that they were not aware of what was happening to the footballs on game days.

No organization, no coach, are more attentive to detail than the Patriots and Belichick. And we’re supposed to believe that before the kickoff of the AFC Championship game, a veteran team locker room guy can disappear while he’s in possession of game balls that have already been approved by officials?

Seriously, when do the Patriots stop lying and come clean on this thing? The damage is done. Insistence on innocence is not likely to be helpful when we get to the penalty phase of this scandal.

Nobody in Foxborough looks good. Brady looks like a guy who broke the rules and lied about it. Belichick looks ridiculous in the wake of his Jan. 24 Mona Lisa Vito science lesson. And Kraft evidently has been duped. Again. Just as he was duped on Spygate. And on Aaron Hernandez.

Remember Kraft’s defiance when he arrived in Glendale, Ariz., for the Super Bowl?

“I believe, unconditionally, that the New England Patriots have done nothing inappropriate in this process or in violation of NFL rules,’’ Kraft stated in his throwdown speech on Super Bowl Monday. He told us Belichick and Brady have never lied to him and then he said he wanted an apology if the investigation “is not able to definitely determine that our organization tampered with the air pressure in the footballs.’’

The 243-page report released Wednesday concludes that it is “more probable than not” the Patriots broke the rules and deflated the footballs. The mountain of evidence makes it impossible to draw any other conclusion. The paper trail indicates that Brady did not communicate with equipment guy John Jastremski for six months, then engaged in multiple conversations with Jastremski (more than 20 minutes of talking) in the days after the scandal broke.

The notion that Belichick did not know this was going on makes one’s head explode. Nothing happens in Foxborough without Belichick’s knowledge. Reporters check in at “security command” and are videotaped asking questions. No detail is too insignificant.

On Jan. 24, Belichick defiantly explained why the footballs would have become deflated during the course of the AFC Championship. It was all about science and weather. Unfortunately, the report states that only the 11 Patriot footballs were discovered to have a PSI level below league limits. All four Colt footballs magically maintained a PSI within the league limit. So Belichick’s science explanation is flawed.

But it is Brady who has the most explaining to do.

It stretches all believability to conclude that he had nothing to do with this. And it damages his hard-earned legacy across America. There are simply too many football people telling us that there is no way Brady can be telling the truth.

We all know that America is populated by jealous Patriot haters. Brady and the Patriots do themselves no service by impeding the investigation (team counsel would not let Wells have a second interview with McNally) or telling us the sun is out when we are standing in the middle of a downpour.

The Patriots won the Super Bowl fair and square, with PSI-regulation footballs. They did not need deflated footballs to beat the Colts. It certainly cannot be proven that the Patriots were doing this every week. But now they have armed their legion of enemies with a new weapon.

A deflated football is easier to throw, easier to catch, and harder to fumble, according to Slate. The rule allowing each team to prepare its own game balls went into effect in 2006. Since 2007, the Patriots have fumbled far less than the NFL average (once every 187 plays, compared with once every 105 for the rest of the league). They have also been the greatest bad-weather team in the history of football.

Now folks in Pittsburgh and Denver and Indianapolis are going to say the Patriots have been better because they cheated. This makes the deflation of footballs more than rolling through a stop sign. If there were no competitive advantage, why would the Patriots be doing it?

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell loves Kraft, loves Brady, and he loves the Patriots, but he presumably has to answer to 31 other owners — most of whom have had their butts kicked by the Patriots on a regular basis.

Sanctions are coming. For Brady and maybe for the Patriots.

It’s about systematically breaking the rules of competition. It’s about a loss of institutional control.

And a legacy tarnished once again.

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shaughnessy.pngBy Dan Shaughnessy Globe Columnist  May 07, 2015

It’s a bad day for the Patriots. It’s an especially bad day for New England’s iconic quarterback, Tom Brady.

The Patriots are Super Bowl champs, but the NFL also believes the Patriots are cheaters. The Patriots certainly didn’t need to illegally deflate footballs to beat the Indianapolis Colts, 45-7, in the AFC Championship game, but according to Ted Wells’s report released Wednesday, they went ahead and did it anyway.

The reports also says it is “more probable than not” that Brady “was at least generally aware” of the tampering. Golden Boy Tom is likely to be sanctioned when the NFL doles out its punishment in the wake of the damning report issued Wednesday afternoon.

So there. Deflategate takes its place alongside Spygate. The damage to the Patriot brand is universal and eternal. Brady, the Patriots, and their fans have to live with it.

Patriot toadies no doubt will line up to say that the league did not prove anything that would hold up in a court of law (Brady’s dad has already labeled it “Framegate”). It’s all circumstantial, they’ll say. Plus, it says right in the report that Bob Kraft and Bill Belichick knew nothing about the intentional deflation of the footballs. It was just a couple of rogue equipment guys breaking the rules.

Good luck with that one, folks. Bend yourself into a pretzel if you must, but Brady and the Patriots are insulting your intelligence if they want you to believe that they were not aware of what was happening to the footballs on game days.

No organization, no coach, are more attentive to detail than the Patriots and Belichick. And we’re supposed to believe that before the kickoff of the AFC Championship game, a veteran team locker room guy can disappear while he’s in possession of game balls that have already been approved by officials?

Seriously, when do the Patriots stop lying and come clean on this thing? The damage is done. Insistence on innocence is not likely to be helpful when we get to the penalty phase of this scandal.

Nobody in Foxborough looks good. Brady looks like a guy who broke the rules and lied about it. Belichick looks ridiculous in the wake of his Jan. 24 Mona Lisa Vito science lesson. And Kraft evidently has been duped. Again. Just as he was duped on Spygate. And on Aaron Hernandez.

Remember Kraft’s defiance when he arrived in Glendale, Ariz., for the Super Bowl?

“I believe, unconditionally, that the New England Patriots have done nothing inappropriate in this process or in violation of NFL rules,’’ Kraft stated in his throwdown speech on Super Bowl Monday. He told us Belichick and Brady have never lied to him and then he said he wanted an apology if the investigation “is not able to definitely determine that our organization tampered with the air pressure in the footballs.’’

The 243-page report released Wednesday concludes that it is “more probable than not” the Patriots broke the rules and deflated the footballs. The mountain of evidence makes it impossible to draw any other conclusion. The paper trail indicates that Brady did not communicate with equipment guy John Jastremski for six months, then engaged in multiple conversations with Jastremski (more than 20 minutes of talking) in the days after the scandal broke.

The notion that Belichick did not know this was going on makes one’s head explode. Nothing happens in Foxborough without Belichick’s knowledge. Reporters check in at “security command” and are videotaped asking questions. No detail is too insignificant.

On Jan. 24, Belichick defiantly explained why the footballs would have become deflated during the course of the AFC Championship. It was all about science and weather. Unfortunately, the report states that only the 11 Patriot footballs were discovered to have a PSI level below league limits. All four Colt footballs magically maintained a PSI within the league limit. So Belichick’s science explanation is flawed.

But it is Brady who has the most explaining to do.

It stretches all believability to conclude that he had nothing to do with this. And it damages his hard-earned legacy across America. There are simply too many football people telling us that there is no way Brady can be telling the truth.

We all know that America is populated by jealous Patriot haters. Brady and the Patriots do themselves no service by impeding the investigation (team counsel would not let Wells have a second interview with McNally) or telling us the sun is out when we are standing in the middle of a downpour.

The Patriots won the Super Bowl fair and square, with PSI-regulation footballs. They did not need deflated footballs to beat the Colts. It certainly cannot be proven that the Patriots were doing this every week. But now they have armed their legion of enemies with a new weapon.

A deflated football is easier to throw, easier to catch, and harder to fumble, according to Slate. The rule allowing each team to prepare its own game balls went into effect in 2006. Since 2007, the Patriots have fumbled far less than the NFL average (once every 187 plays, compared with once every 105 for the rest of the league). They have also been the greatest bad-weather team in the history of football.

Now folks in Pittsburgh and Denver and Indianapolis are going to say the Patriots have been better because they cheated. This makes the deflation of footballs more than rolling through a stop sign. If there were no competitive advantage, why would the Patriots be doing it?

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell loves Kraft, loves Brady, and he loves the Patriots, but he presumably has to answer to 31 other owners — most of whom have had their butts kicked by the Patriots on a regular basis.

Sanctions are coming. For Brady and maybe for the Patriots.

It’s about systematically breaking the rules of competition. It’s about a loss of institutional control.

And a legacy tarnished once again.

Great article. 

 

It makes me think of the Yankees a bit.  When Jeter and Rivera retired they both received ovations in every stadium they entered in their final seasons.  Even though the Yankees were a hated team those two guys never got in any trouble and handled everything with class.

 

Even though I despise the Patriots if Brady weren't arrogant and a cheater if I knew it were his final season I would have clapped for him once.  Problem is he not only was always arrogant but he is now also a cheater.

 

I use baseball again but he will be remembered like McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, etc.  Who can respect him now for this? 

 

We can debate the impact it had on the games and if other people do it but think of someone who is speeding on the highway.  Another car comes speeding by and you say to the cop well that guy is speeding.  Doesn't matter you're the one who got caught and is pulled over. 

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Great article. 

 

It makes me think of the Yankees a bit.  When Jeter and Rivera retired they both received ovations in every stadium they entered in their final seasons.  Even though the Yankees were a hated team those two guys never got in any trouble and handled everything with class.

 

Even though I despise the Patriots if Brady weren't arrogant and a cheater if I knew it were his final season I would have clapped for him once.  Problem is he not only was always arrogant but he is now also a cheater.

 

I use baseball again but he will be remembered like McGwire, Sosa, Bonds, etc.  Who can respect him now for this? 

 

We can debate the impact it had on the games and if other people do it but think of someone who is speeding on the highway.  Another car comes speeding by and you say to the cop well that guy is speeding.  Doesn't matter you're the one who got caught and is pulled over. 

 

Very well said.

 

Jete and Mo have class. That's universally respected.

 

Brady and Beli have asterisks.

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Serious question for a moment, talking a break from enjoying the pile on with our resident Pats trolls...

That Wells report news broke around 12:30 pm, Kraft had his response out no later than maybe 30 minutes to an hour at most, how the hell did he get the news so fast and have his publicist draft and then release an in depth response?

How is nobody else picking up on this??

This is just more proof Kraft knew and is plugged in with Goodell and the league...

It will be real interesting how severe the punishment will be when the entire league will be watching how the Pats, now a mutliple cheating offender will be handled by the league!

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shaughnessy.pngBy Dan Shaughnessy Globe Columnist  May 07, 2015

It’s a bad day for the Patriots. It’s an especially bad day for New England’s iconic quarterback, Tom Brady.

The Patriots are Super Bowl champs, but the NFL also believes the Patriots are cheaters. The Patriots certainly didn’t need to illegally deflate footballs to beat the Indianapolis Colts, 45-7, in the AFC Championship game, but according to Ted Wells’s report released Wednesday, they went ahead and did it anyway.

The reports also says it is “more probable than not” that Brady “was at least generally aware” of the tampering. Golden Boy Tom is likely to be sanctioned when the NFL doles out its punishment in the wake of the damning report issued Wednesday afternoon.

So there. Deflategate takes its place alongside Spygate. The damage to the Patriot brand is universal and eternal. Brady, the Patriots, and their fans have to live with it.

Patriot toadies no doubt will line up to say that the league did not prove anything that would hold up in a court of law (Brady’s dad has already labeled it “Framegate”). It’s all circumstantial, they’ll say. Plus, it says right in the report that Bob Kraft and Bill Belichick knew nothing about the intentional deflation of the footballs. It was just a couple of rogue equipment guys breaking the rules.

Good luck with that one, folks. Bend yourself into a pretzel if you must, but Brady and the Patriots are insulting your intelligence if they want you to believe that they were not aware of what was happening to the footballs on game days.

No organization, no coach, are more attentive to detail than the Patriots and Belichick. And we’re supposed to believe that before the kickoff of the AFC Championship game, a veteran team locker room guy can disappear while he’s in possession of game balls that have already been approved by officials?

Seriously, when do the Patriots stop lying and come clean on this thing? The damage is done. Insistence on innocence is not likely to be helpful when we get to the penalty phase of this scandal.

Nobody in Foxborough looks good. Brady looks like a guy who broke the rules and lied about it. Belichick looks ridiculous in the wake of his Jan. 24 Mona Lisa Vito science lesson. And Kraft evidently has been duped. Again. Just as he was duped on Spygate. And on Aaron Hernandez.

Remember Kraft’s defiance when he arrived in Glendale, Ariz., for the Super Bowl?

“I believe, unconditionally, that the New England Patriots have done nothing inappropriate in this process or in violation of NFL rules,’’ Kraft stated in his throwdown speech on Super Bowl Monday. He told us Belichick and Brady have never lied to him and then he said he wanted an apology if the investigation “is not able to definitely determine that our organization tampered with the air pressure in the footballs.’’

The 243-page report released Wednesday concludes that it is “more probable than not” the Patriots broke the rules and deflated the footballs. The mountain of evidence makes it impossible to draw any other conclusion. The paper trail indicates that Brady did not communicate with equipment guy John Jastremski for six months, then engaged in multiple conversations with Jastremski (more than 20 minutes of talking) in the days after the scandal broke.

The notion that Belichick did not know this was going on makes one’s head explode. Nothing happens in Foxborough without Belichick’s knowledge. Reporters check in at “security command” and are videotaped asking questions. No detail is too insignificant.

On Jan. 24, Belichick defiantly explained why the footballs would have become deflated during the course of the AFC Championship. It was all about science and weather. Unfortunately, the report states that only the 11 Patriot footballs were discovered to have a PSI level below league limits. All four Colt footballs magically maintained a PSI within the league limit. So Belichick’s science explanation is flawed.

But it is Brady who has the most explaining to do.

It stretches all believability to conclude that he had nothing to do with this. And it damages his hard-earned legacy across America. There are simply too many football people telling us that there is no way Brady can be telling the truth.

We all know that America is populated by jealous Patriot haters. Brady and the Patriots do themselves no service by impeding the investigation (team counsel would not let Wells have a second interview with McNally) or telling us the sun is out when we are standing in the middle of a downpour.

The Patriots won the Super Bowl fair and square, with PSI-regulation footballs. They did not need deflated footballs to beat the Colts. It certainly cannot be proven that the Patriots were doing this every week. But now they have armed their legion of enemies with a new weapon.

A deflated football is easier to throw, easier to catch, and harder to fumble, according to Slate. The rule allowing each team to prepare its own game balls went into effect in 2006. Since 2007, the Patriots have fumbled far less than the NFL average (once every 187 plays, compared with once every 105 for the rest of the league). They have also been the greatest bad-weather team in the history of football.

Now folks in Pittsburgh and Denver and Indianapolis are going to say the Patriots have been better because they cheated. This makes the deflation of footballs more than rolling through a stop sign. If there were no competitive advantage, why would the Patriots be doing it?

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell loves Kraft, loves Brady, and he loves the Patriots, but he presumably has to answer to 31 other owners — most of whom have had their butts kicked by the Patriots on a regular basis.

Sanctions are coming. For Brady and maybe for the Patriots.

It’s about systematically breaking the rules of competition. It’s about a loss of institutional control.

And a legacy tarnished once again.

 

Great article. It's not rocket science, they cheated and have been cheating for a while. 

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This afternoon the NFL released the results of an investigation into whether or not the New England Patriots intentionally deflated footballs below league standards. The report was so sensational that we had to gather some of our best sports minds to talk about it.Here’s an edited transcript of our Slack conversation.

cwick (Chadwick Matlin, senior editor): The NFL finally has its own version of the Starr Report. After a months-long investigation and hundreds of pages, a law firm hired by the NFL has found that the Patriots most likely did tamper with their footballs, and that Tom Brady was likely “generally aware of the inappropriate activities.” The report itself is sensational, full of amazing details about the bathroom habits of low-level assistants, furtive trash talk about Tom Brady, and a statistical appendix that seems designed for FiveThirtyEight to dissect. Let’s all assemble and talk about it! What stuck out most?

andrewflowers (Andrew Flowers, quantitative editor): The report — especially the stat-sy appendix — went to great lengths to show that the difference in pressure between the Pats’ and Colts’ footballs was not due to chance.

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benm (Benjamin Morris, sportswriter): I would say that the report hammers home the stats and science sides of this extremely well so as to head off any skepticism on those fronts, but they’re relatively easy cases to make. You don’t need a stats degree to look at that table and see that something is amiss.

The salacious parts to me are the surrounding facts: Who was responsible, how long has this been going on, what did Tom Brady know and when did he know it, etc? It has a lot more to say on those subjects than I would have guessed.

neil_paine (Neil Paine, senior sportswriter): Yeah @benm – I was surprised they had the texts, which referred specifically to Brady being on the guy’s case about ball pressure.

benm: And they present pretty good evidence that this was a deliberate rules violation for the purposes of gaining an advantage for Tom Brady and the Patriots organization, AND has likely been going on for some time.

benc (Ben Casselman, chief economics writer): I am an unapologetic Pats fan, and would name my firstborn Brady if my wife would allow it. But one question I had was how clear it is that Brady wanted the balls UNDER 12.5 psi vs. as close to the minimum as possible. He seems to have complained about the balls in the Jets game, but those seem to have been inflated well over 12.5.

neil_paine: @benc – Right, they did complain the balls were at 16 one game.

benm: Agreed the evidence about Brady (at least from 30 minutes of dissecting it) seems a little more thin than evidence against McNally and Jastremski. [Jim McNally is the Officials Locker Room attendant for the Patriots, and John Jastremski is an equipment assistant for the team.]

neil_paine: Another interesting note is that it was the first time in 19 years Walt Anderson [the head NFL referee for the game] couldn’t account for the balls. In the other games this was happening, who was the referee and what did he notice?

benc: That feels to me a bit like the kind of thing you notice only after the fact though. Like, how sure are we Anderson would have noticed if he couldn’t find the balls on other occasions where no one raised questions?

cwick: Left unaddressed is whether deflated balls had been helping the Patriots win — do we have any better sense for that now than we did before? Because before we thought this was isolated to just the Colts game, which they won handily. But now it seems like this was about Tom Brady’s preferences in more than just that game.

benm: I think the much-maligned study by Warren Sharp about the Patriots having a low fumble rate should be taken more seriously, for sure. I mean, though it had flaws, at a very minimum that author correctly identified that the Patriots fumble rate has been absurdly small. I did my own calculations using binomial and Poisson models and found the same.

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benc: NOW this is a 538 chat!

benm: But the fun part is when you get all Bayesian about it. As I said at the time, the existence of the Patriots’ extremely low fumble rate, as a Bayesian matter, makes it much more likely that the Patriots were intentionally cheating – even though the link between fumble rates and inflation levels is only speculative. That’s the beauty of Bayesianism. But it gets better: Now that it seems likely that the Patriots were violating the rules to gain an advantage, the fact that they also had an extremely low fumble rate makes it more likely that the relationship between inflation levels and fumbling is real – and more likely that the Patriots have materially benefited from their cheating.

cwick: @benm “That’s the beauty of…” is a phrase that’s been written so many times. That may be the first time the sentence ended with “Bayesianism.”

neil_paine: Agreed that some of those outlier Patriots stats deserve a second look – although it bears noting that the report specifically exonerates [head coach Bill] Belichick, so this doesn’t appear to be part of a grander conspiracy involving the entire team. (Certainly the team beyond Brady could benefit, though.)

One question regarding the fumbling is whether non-QB players coming to the Patriots from other teams noticed a change in ball feel.

benm: Agreed, the report seems to be focused primarily on these two Pats personnel, with a looser link to Brady.

neil_paine: If I recall correctly, the WOWY (with or without you) evidence with players going to/from New England wasn’t very convincing after removing special teams plays.

benm: But what do you do in a situation where the team benefits from one person in the organization bending rules? USC has lost national championships for less.

neil_paine: Right, was going to say, that’s the kind of moral question that often haunts college teams forced to vacate wins/titles. (And unrelated players are faced with future bowl bans.)

benm: And again, just to be clear. I’m not saying the Pats did gain some huge advantage from this. But the odds of that have gone up substantially.

cwick: ok — can we talk about the data appendix for a minute, because I was floored by the detail.

benm: Indeed, the science-y stuff “floored” me more than the stats.

cwick: To your eyes, is this the most high-profile statistical model of the year? and were you impressed by it?

andrewflowers: What I love about this report is the various extents the researchers went to make their analysis iron-clad: the natural experiment of comparing the Colts (control group) and Pats’ footballs; the statistical inference (p-values!) in examining the differences in the pressure changes; and the hard-science engineering to test the environmental effects. I mean, just look at this photo…

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andrewflowers: Someone also apparently “simulated” whether it’s possible to deflate 13 footballs in under 1 minute and 40 seconds. Apparently it is.

benm: Honestly, it’s probably overkill. But that is, in a sense, a product of the incredibly strong statistical case. So I kind of give them credit for going so far to address alternate possibilities. A model a lot of stats people could probably learn from. I mean, once it’s clear that this didn’t happen by chance, the discussion moves to: So what explains it.

benc: What do we think the odds are these guys were getting paid by the hour?

andrewflowers: Very high.

benm: Law firm: Yes — paid by the hour.

benc: Because this has a definite, “Hey, is there another test we could run?” element to this.

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benm: And you think FiveThirtyEight is nerdy.

andrewflowers: Honestly, today’s report is the best thing for the “Ideal Gas Law” since Bill Nye the Science Guy aired.

cwick: Final question: What stat analysis does this report make you want to run out and do?

andrewflowers: @benm’s point about the relationship between fumble rates and ball pressure.

benc: Chart of “humor of references to Tom Brady’s balls” over time.

benm: There’s definitely more to be done on the Patriots fumbling to isolate for the fact that they were the most consistently winning team, the types of plays they ran, their personnel, how that period fits in historical context (have other dominant teams had similarly bizarre quirks), etc.

neil_paine: And perhaps another look at Brady from 2007 onward in general. That season was very much out of step with his previous performance. And what followed was very different as well. Do other QBs suddenly get that much better, at that age?

benm: WOWD: With or Without Deflation.

neil_paine: Lol

benm: Even if org isn’t culpable, it’s a pretty massive shift in the conversation about Pats. Suddenly we’re faced with the possibility of having to discount some amazing sports accomplishment. Again.

neil_paine: “Behind every great fortune is a great crime.”

 

 

 

 

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/fivethirtyeight-dissects-the-deflategate-report/

 

It should be interesting how this shakes out.  

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Kraft should apologize to the NFL and fans, that arrogant definite a$$hole. Brady needs to be suspended a year, as well as Bellichick and Kraft. There is no way they did not know. None. 

 

For the longest time I absolutely marvelled at how seemingly statistically impossible Brady played in bad weather, and surprise it turns out it was.

 

This is pretty horrible if you think about it.

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I don't know, maybe he had some wild sex tape with Giselle on his cell phone.

I'm sure it will come out at some point why he didn't turn over his phone.

 

 

 

Similarly, although Tom Brady appeared for a requested interview and answered questions voluntarily, he declined to make available any documents or electronic information (including text messages and emails) that we requested, even though those requests were limited to the subject matter of our investigation (such as messages concerning the preparation of game balls, air pressure of balls, inflation of balls or deflation of balls) and we offered to allow Brady‟s counsel to screen and control the production so that it would be limited strictly to responsive materials and would not involve our taking possession of Brady‟s telephone or other electronic devices. Our inability to review contemporaneous communications and other documents in Brady‟s possession and control related to the matters under review potentially limited the discovery of relevant evidence and was not helpful to the investigation.

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If you actually read the report, you'll notice that the Pat organization did all in their power to control the process. the cover up was already in progress

 

bottom of pg 29 & 30;

 

 

We made written requests to counsel for the Patriots on February 28, March 2, 3, 9 and 17 for a follow-up interview with McNally. Counsel for the Patriots repeatedly refused to make McNally available for a re- interview claiming, among other things, that McNally lived more than an hour away and already had missed work at his full-time job to attend earlier interviews. In addition, counsel for the Patriots asked that we provide in advance the subjects we proposed to cover, submit written interrogatories, and stated that “you have given me very little incentive or basis to try to get him back once more.” As noted above, we offered to meet with McNally at any time and any location that was convenient and explained that it would not be appropriate from an investigative standpoint to disclose in advance the specific subjects we intended to cover. We cautioned counsel for the Patriots in writing that: the “refusal to make Mr. McNally available for a brief follow-up interview raises serious concerns and is inconsistent with the obligations of the Patriots under the League Rules to provide „full support and cooperation‟ in the investigation. We also believe it is inconsistent with the public expressions of cooperation by the Patriots.” Counsel for the Patriots continued to refuse to make McNally available as requested.

The security footage collected from inside Gillette Stadium proved helpful in establishing the timing of certain events on the day of the AFC Championship Game. Our ability to rely on this footage, however, was limited in a number of ways. First, because the footage was recorded by a camera that rotates among different angles, certain events were not recorded or were only partially captured on video. Second, the security cameras trained on the field were located at a distance that made it difficult to ascertain various events taking place on the field. Finally, Patriots personnel explained that the footage captured by security cameras in Gillette Stadium is overwritten every 10 days as a regular practice. We were, therefore, unable to review footage filmed during prior Patriots home games, which may have proved useful.

This is some of the most damming stuff of all. It shows clearly that there is at least some level of resistance and misdirection by the tape destroying Pats. Kraft coming out and saying what he did in the face of this report so quickly was an emotionally based decision that makes this all worse. I'm actually surprised at his response. He's obviously an intelligent man who is letting his feelings take control at the moment. Not a good move.  This report does state most of the things he claimed it didn't in his response. Like that the report didn't mention they had met with Mcnally 3 times before. it talks about that in the bold up above.

 

I think like many other posters have said before me in this thread, that the act in and of itself is bad and should be punished, but the lies, resistance, and attempts to cover up and protect Brady in all of this is where it gets super sticky. The Pats are in big trouble here and it's deservedly so. Especially after the Spygate stuff and the fact that they basically cheated there way through the playoffs this year with things they pulled already being made clearly illegal by the league merely a few weeks after they pulled that stunt in the Baltimore game.

 

Looking at this objectively,(which is difficult for me)  it's simply ridiculous how blatantly the Pats routinely try to bend/break the rules for a competitive advantage. They look like the kid everyone hates to play with on the playground that changes the rules to the game as it goes on to suit himself.

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This is some of the most damming stuff of all. It shows clearly that there is at least some level of resistance and misdirection by the tape destroying Pats. Kraft coming out and saying what he did in the face of this report so quickly was an emotionally based decision that makes this all worse. I'm actually surprised at his response. He's obviously an intelligent man who is letting his feelings take control at the moment. Not a good move.  This report does state most of the things he claimed it didn't in his response. Like that the report didn't mention they had met with Mcnally 3 times before. it talks about that in the bold up above.

 

I think like many other posters have said before me in this thread, that the act in and of itself is bad and should be punished, but the lies, resistance, and attempts to cover up and protect Brady in all of this is where it gets super sticky. The Pats are in big trouble here and it's deservedly so. Especially after the Spygate stuff and the fact that they basically cheated there way through the playoffs this year with things they pulled already being made clearly illegal by the league merely a few weeks after they pulled that stunt in the Baltimore game.

 

Looking at this objectively,(which is difficult for me)  it's simply ridiculous how blatantly the Pats routinely try to bend/break the rules for a competitive advantage. They look like the kid everyone hates to play with on the playground that changes the rules to the game as it goes on to suit himself.

 

And more than that, I think they're all covering for Belichick. Brady refused to hand over his phone to investigators, but that didn't help him when they got hold of the phones of the two locker room attendants. But what if those aren't the only guys Brady had 20 minute phone conversations or texts with? You don't think he was in steady communication with Bill Belichick? That Bill wasn't telling him to cover his tracks as best as possible? I haven't heard anywhere about the investigators even asking for Belichick's phone while allegedly absolving him. Seems convenient. 

 

To me, it's ridiculous to think that Belichick didn't know exactly what was going on with Brady's balls. The man is all about overseeing every little thing that team does. 

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One of the big spy gate questions was whether or not Tom Brady or the team knew what was going on as belichik cheated. Now the tables are turned and belichik is the one being given the benefit of the doubt. It seems to me now that both of them knew what was going on in both instances and in the end they are both cheaters.

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And more than that, I think they're all covering for Belichick. Brady refused to hand over his phone to investigators, but that didn't help him when they got hold of the phones of the two locker room attendants. But what if those aren't the only guys Brady had 20 minute phone conversations or texts with? You don't think he was in steady communication with Bill Belichick? That Bill wasn't telling him to cover his tracks as best as possible? I haven't heard anywhere about the investigators even asking for Belichick's phone while allegedly absolving him. Seems convenient. 

 

To me, it's ridiculous to think that Belichick didn't know exactly what was going on with Brady's balls. The man is all about overseeing every little thing that team does. 

I completely agree. BB is, IMO, just the worst type of person in sports. If you think for one second that he is just an innocent bystander in all of this you are either a fool or a fan.

My personal feelings aside of course  :D

 

BB is more than likely the mastermind behind all of this.  And it started years ago. Not in this season's AFC championship game.

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I completely agree. BB is, IMO, just the worst type of person in sports. If you think for one second that he is just an innocent bystander in all of this you are either a fool or a fan.

My personal feelings aside of course  :biggrin:

 

BB is more than likely the mastermind behind all of this.  And it started years ago. Not in this season's AFC championship game.

 

 

No, no, no... It was only one game, and everyone does it anyway.  The friggen Colts are cry babies.  Goodell is picking on the Patriots.  This should not tarnish Brady's legacy.  He is still the GOAT.

 

The spin has already started on the ESPatriotNation propaganda machine.

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Even Boston writers are admitting the obvious.

More tarnish on Patriot legacy, this time tainting Tom Brady

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shaughnessy.pngBy Dan Shaughnessy Globe Columnist May 07, 2015

It’s a bad day for the Patriots. It’s an especially bad day for New England’s iconic quarterback, Tom Brady.

The Patriots are Super Bowl champs, but the NFL also believes the Patriots are cheaters. The Patriots certainly didn’t need to illegally deflate footballs to beat the Indianapolis Colts, 45-7, in the AFC Championship game, but according to Ted Wells’s report released Wednesday, they went ahead and did it anyway.

The reports also says it is “more probable than not” that Brady “was at least generally aware” of the tampering. Golden Boy Tom is likely to be sanctioned when the NFL doles out its punishment in the wake of the damning report issued Wednesday afternoon.

So there. Deflategate takes its place alongside Spygate. The damage to the Patriot brand is universal and eternal. Brady, the Patriots, and their fans have to live with it.

Patriot toadies no doubt will line up to say that the league did not prove anything that would hold up in a court of law (Brady’s dad has already labeled it “Framegate”). It’s all circumstantial, they’ll say. Plus, it says right in the report that Bob Kraft and Bill Belichick knew nothing about the intentional deflation of the footballs. It was just a couple of rogue equipment guys breaking the rules.

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The 243-page report, which took months to complete, was released finally Wednesday.

Good luck with that one, folks. Bend yourself into a pretzel if you must, but Brady and the Patriots are insulting your intelligence if they want you to believe that they were not aware of what was happening to the footballs on game days.

No organization, no coach, are more attentive to detail than the Patriots and Belichick. And we’re supposed to believe that before the kickoff of the AFC Championship game, a veteran team locker room guy can disappear while he’s in possession of game balls that have already been approved by officials?

Seriously, when do the Patriots stop lying and come clean on this thing? The damage is done. Insistence on innocence is not likely to be helpful when we get to the penalty phase of this scandal.

Nobody in Foxborough looks good. Brady looks like a guy who broke the rules and lied about it. Belichick looks ridiculous in the wake of his Jan. 24 Mona Lisa Vito science lesson. And Kraft evidently has been duped. Again. Just as he was duped on Spygate. And on Aaron Hernandez.

Remember Kraft’s defiance when he arrived in Glendale, Ariz., for the Super Bowl?

“I believe, unconditionally, that the New England Patriots have done nothing inappropriate in this process or in violation of NFL rules,’’ Kraft stated in his throwdown speech on Super Bowl Monday. He told us Belichick and Brady have never lied to him and then he said he wanted an apology if the investigation “is not able to definitely determine that our organization tampered with the air pressure in the footballs.’’

The 243-page report released Wednesday concludes that it is “more probable than not” the Patriots broke the rules and deflated the footballs. The mountain of evidence makes it impossible to draw any other conclusion. The paper trail indicates that Brady did not communicate with equipment guy John Jastremski for six months, then engaged in multiple conversations with Jastremski (more than 20 minutes of talking) in the days after the scandal broke.

The notion that Belichick did not know this was going on makes one’s head explode. Nothing happens in Foxborough without Belichick’s knowledge. Reporters check in at “security command” and are videotaped asking questions. No detail is too insignificant.

On Jan. 24, Belichick defiantly explained why the footballs would have become deflated during the course of the AFC Championship. It was all about science and weather. Unfortunately, the report states that only the 11 Patriot footballs were discovered to have a PSI level below league limits. All four Colt footballs magically maintained a PSI within the league limit. So Belichick’s science explanation is flawed.

But it is Brady who has the most explaining to do.

It stretches all believability to conclude that he had nothing to do with this. And it damages his hard-earned legacy across America. There are simply too many football people telling us that there is no way Brady can be telling the truth.

We all know that America is populated by jealous Patriot haters. Brady and the Patriots do themselves no service by impeding the investigation (team counsel would not let Wells have a second interview with McNally) or telling us the sun is out when we are standing in the middle of a downpour.

The Patriots won the Super Bowl fair and square, with PSI-regulation footballs. They did not need deflated footballs to beat the Colts. It certainly cannot be proven that the Patriots were doing this every week. But now they have armed their legion of enemies with a new weapon.

A deflated football is easier to throw, easier to catch, and harder to fumble, according to Slate. The rule allowing each team to prepare its own game balls went into effect in 2006. Since 2007, the Patriots have fumbled far less than the NFL average (once every 187 plays, compared with once every 105 for the rest of the league). They have also been the greatest bad-weather team in the history of football.

Now folks in Pittsburgh and Denver and Indianapolis are going to say the Patriots have been better because they cheated. This makes the deflation of footballs more than rolling through a stop sign. If there were no competitive advantage, why would the Patriots be doing it?

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell loves Kraft, loves Brady, and he loves the Patriots, but he presumably has to answer to 31 other owners — most of whom have had their butts kicked by the Patriots on a regular basis.

Sanctions are coming. For Brady and maybe for the Patriots.

It’s about systematically breaking the rules of competition. It’s about a loss of institutional control.

And a legacy tarnished once again.

Peyton Manning, the now, once again, greatest QB of our generation, approves.

"Double thumbs up brosky" -Peyton Manning

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Why would that happen?

 

It is obvious that there is absolutley no proof whatsoever that the Pats did anything wrong.

 

Why do you think this has dragged on for over 100 days?

Just admit that your Patriots fandom is built on lies and deception.  Once you admit that you will be much happier and can get on with your life.  I'm sure you'll be much happier.  We're here for you bud...but you have to take the first step...

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I completely agree. BB is, IMO, just the worst type of person in sports. If you think for one second that he is just an innocent bystander in all of this you are either a fool or a fan.

My personal feelings aside of course  :D

 

BB is more than likely the mastermind behind all of this.  And it started years ago. Not in this season's AFC championship game.

Yup. It's no coincidence that the team's fumble rate dropped below statistically possible the year Brady lobbied the league to let road teams handle their own footballs. Belichick knows the science behind it being easier to grip a softer ball much better than he understands the laws of physics.

My personal catch rate with a nerf is outstanding.

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Thanks to the fans in Chicago for mercilessly booing Goodell, if that didn't happen I tend to think he would have orchestrated more of a coverup. Although he's letting Belichick skate which is total BS, he did at least expose Brady.

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