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Roger Goodell says Deflategate report should be released 'soon'...***updated 5/6: REPORT RELEASED*** (starts page 8)

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Why?

It is not like they were up 28-0 with the under inflated balls and barely hung with properly inflated balls. They played better with inflated balls and won the Superbowl with properly inflated balls.

It makes more sense to move on from it. If the Patriots are as evil as everyone hopes, then it is not going to be easier with time. The old adage of bad news does not get better with time applies here.[o/quote]

Keep in mind Goodell said the league was interested in whether this went beyond just one game. That gives the physicist license to investigate fumble rate stats. Don't focus on just the one game.

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Keep in mind Goodell said the league was interested in whether this went beyond just one game. That gives the physicist license to investigate fumble rate stats. Don't focus on just the one game.

Are you serious?

Fumble rates have as much correlation to under-inflated footballs as BBQ grills have on global warming.

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Are you serious?

Fumble rates have as much correlation to under-inflated footballs as BBQ grills have on global warming.

Get a Clue mon,  

 

BTW your draft sucks so far!!!!!!!!!! BWaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Get a Clue mon,  

 

BTW your draft sucks so far!!!!!!!!!! BWaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Super Bowl winning teams don't need good drafts because they are already good.

Congrats on your draft so far, looks like the Jets can improve to 5-7 wins next year.

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Who cares about deflategate the Patriots are quickly becoming a non factor.

Yea, defending Super Bowl champions are always a non-factor.

Jets fans are funny.

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Are you serious?

Fumble rates have as much correlation to under-inflated footballs as BBQ grills have on global warming.

 

Perhap my point would have been clearer if I had mentioned there is a virtually statistically impossible correlation between the start of the reduction of the Pats' fumble rate and the change in the rule that allowed teams to handle balls before games. Impossible, that is, to be related to pure chance.

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so the investigation hasn't shifted to the colts and the nfl conspiring against the poor misunderstood pats* ?

 

weird

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Yea, defending Super Bowl champions are always a non-factor.

Jets fans are funny.

PatsFan:   I think people (or I should speak for myself) are just upset because it suggests that there is favoritism on behalf of Goodell towards the Patriots.  It just seems strange that the decision is coming soon or  shortly after the draft and also after nothing can affect the Patriots from getting their players for the 2015 Season.  Personally,  I don't think the deflated balls made a difference in the outcome of the game.  It's more like the appearance of impropriety that bugs me. 

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Keep in mind Goodell said the league was interested in whether this went beyond just one game. That gives the physicist license to investigate fumble rate stats. Don't focus on just the one game.

 

As well they should.  Good luck with that though.  If the AFC Championship game is an example of their process, it will be hard to prove anything.

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As well they should.  Good luck with that though.  If the AFC Championship game is an example of their process, it will be hard to prove anything.

 

Depends on the standard of proof. It might be tough to prove in a court of law. But if the physicist says the improvement in fumble rate is statistically impossible, that might be enough proof for the league. Especially in the case of a team that previously was found to have cheated. I think the standard of proof may be fairly low.

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I'm still laughing my ass off that the Pats drafted a long snapper

LOL

You know Bills a genius, every thing he touches turns to Gold. It's nothing what so ever to do with falling over a HOF Q.B in the 6th round, which would allow mere mortals to draft like sh@t for years, and get away with it.

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I'm still laughing my ass off that the Pats drafted a long snapper

LOL

 

They've done it before, in the 6th round of 2009.  That guy lasted a season and a half before developing Steve Blass disease and getting cut.

 

This guy is even more ridiculous.  A 5th round pick that may have a 2-5 year Naval committment before becoming eligible.  Then they followed that up in Rd 6 with a blind guy and then a QB to TE conversion project.  LOL.

 

But despite that clown show, they end up picking up a Chris Gamble clone in Rd 7 who probably should have been picked in Rd 5 instead of the LS.  Weird draft. 

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Who cares about deflategate the Patriots are quickly becoming a non factor.

 

 No QB = Non factor

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PatsFan:   I think people (or I should speak for myself) are just upset because it suggests that there is favoritism on behalf of Goodell towards the Patriots.  It just seems strange that the decision is coming soon or  shortly after the draft and also after nothing can affect the Patriots from getting their players for the 2015 Season.  Personally,  I don't think the deflated balls made a difference in the outcome of the game.  It's more like the appearance of impropriety that bugs me. 

 

"But I would've won that hand anyway even without that ace up my sleeve!"

 

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You know Bills a genius, every thing he touches turns to Gold. It's nothing what so ever to do with falling over a HOF Q.B in the 6th round, which would allow mere mortals to draft like sh@t for years, and get away with it.

 

Gronk in the 2nd round was another great move by BB.

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Gronk in the 2nd round was another great move by BB.

 

Like most GMs, Belichick's drafts have been a mixed bag.  Some outstanding picks through the years and plenty of busts too.  Just like everyone else.  I see the same in this year's draft for NE.  Brown was a great pick and a great value where NE got him.  But the 2d and 3d round picks were huge reaches, and projections for 5th/6th rounds.  The rest of the draft seems ok, but I haven't done any research on most of those players.

 

What's your assessment of the NE draft (your non-troll assessment, please)?

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Like most GMs, Belichick's drafts have been a mixed bag.  Some outstanding picks through the years and plenty of busts too.  Just like everyone else.  I see the same in this year's draft for NE.  Brown was a great pick and a great value where NE got him.  But the 2d and 3d round picks were huge reaches, and projections for 5th/6th rounds.  The rest of the draft seems ok, but I haven't done any research on most of those players.

 

What's your assessment of the NE draft (your non-troll assessment, please)?

 

I pretty much agree with everything you said above.

 

Brown was a good pick and it filled a need.

 

Richards could have been had in the 4th, let alone the 2nd.

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I pretty much agree with everything you said above.

 

Brown was a good pick and it filled a need.

 

Richards could have been had in the 4th, let alone the 2nd.

 

A reach on a safety in the second.  Sounds eerily familiar.  :)

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Depends on the standard of proof. It might be tough to prove in a court of law. But if the physicist says the improvement in fumble rate is statistically impossible, that might be enough proof for the league. Especially in the case of a team that previously was found to have cheated. I think the standard of proof may be fairly low.

 

True, but do you see Roger trying to slam the Patriots with hersay after dicking everything up in 2014?  I do not.

 

If there is clear evidence, I think he would slam the team, coach, etc.  However, if there is not, then it might be a slap on the hand like Woody got.

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I pretty much agree with everything you said above.

 

Brown was a good pick and it filled a need.

 

Richards could have been had in the 4th, let alone the 2nd.

 

To your point, check out these scouting reports for the two defensive backs drafted this year by the Patriots.  Player A was drafted in Round 2, Player B was drafted in Round 7.  It could easily have gone the other way based solely on the scouting reports. 

 

Player A:

 

Pro Day Results

40-yard dash: 4.59 seconds

Vertical jump: 34 1/2 inches

 

Analysis

 

Strengths

 

Team captain and defensive leader. Played some wide receiver in high school. Good hands with ability to make difficult interceptions. Attacks ball at high-point. Moves well as high-low safety. Extended range in run support and doesn't mind the physical side of the position. Has secondary motor for extended pursuit. Good football and personal character. Productive three-year starter.

 

Weaknesses

Displays obvious coverage limitations. Below-average instincts. Slow to see it, with marginal recovery speed. Struggles in man coverage. Grabby at the top of the route and lacks feet to match and mirror. Slow to digest route combinations out of bunch formations. Comes downhill against run quickly, but out of control at times. Needs improvement as a wrap-up tackler.

 

 

Player B:

 

40-yard dash: 4.38 seconds

Vertical jump: 39 inches

 

Analysis
 
Strengths
 
Impressive recovery speed with short­-area twitch to go with it. Can change directions on command and has desired stop/start quickness. Has long arms and is aggressive with them in press coverage. Will look to pop receivers rather than just touch them at line of scrimmage. Will sniff around on plays outside of his responsibility looking to make a play. Has length, speed and ball skills to challenge most down-field throws. Core cover player on special teams. Has physical tools defensive backs coaches covet. Sees what he hits in run support and doesn't throw himself wildly at ball carriers.
 
Weaknesses
 
Willing to take too many physical liberties with receivers down the field. Penalized 6 times for 71 yards in 2014, including three pass interference penalties. Needs to play with more bend in backpedal to maximize body control and transition quickness. Inconsistent defensive awareness. Will allow an occasional throw in front of him or a running back to blow by him without being ready. Gets impatient and undisciplined in mirror-­and-­match situations despite his tools.  

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I pretty much agree with everything you said above.

 

Brown was a good pick and it filled a need.

 

Richards could have been had in the 4th, let alone the 2nd.

 

 

A reach on a safety in the second.  Sounds eerily familiar.  :)

 

I remember a 1st round NE reach for a safety....      How about that Tebucky Jones guy?   LOL

 

Did you guys know that Tebucky Jones' kid was eligible for this year's draft?

 

Tebucky Jones, Jr.,  WR, Fordham (Senior, 5'11", 196)

 

No one drafted him.  Let's see if he signs as an UDFA somewhere.

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True, but do you see Roger trying to slam the Patriots with hersay after dicking everything up in 2014?  I do not.

 

If there is clear evidence, I think he would slam the team, coach, etc.  However, if there is not, then it might be a slap on the hand like Woody got.

 

I suspect Goodell very well may not hit the Pats, even if they deserve it. But that is a dark suspicion, not based on the facts of the case but on what may be an improper relationship  between Goodell and Kraft.. And hearsay has nothing to do with it. To make a case for the statistical impossibility of the fumble rate improvement and its lining up in time with the rule change, a complete independent analysis would be required. And if the physicist, or a mathematician whose help he may seek, produces such an analysis and it does in fact show it is impossible for the improvement to have occurred without something beyond the rules having occurred, that would be a solid reason for severe punishment. No hearsay involved whatsoever. 

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I suspect Goodell very well may not hit the Pats, even if they deserve it. But that is a dark suspicion, not based on the facts of the case but on what may be an improper relationship  between Goodell and Kraft.. And hearsay has nothing to do with it. To make a case for the statistical impossibility of the fumble rate improvement and its lining up in time with the rule change, a complete independent analysis would be required. And if the physicist, or a mathematician whose help he may seek, produces such an analysis and it does in fact show it is impossible for the improvement to have occurred without something beyond the rules having occurred, that would be a solid reason for severe punishment. No hearsay involved whatsoever. 

 

If the Spygate and Deflategate investigations (both of which angered Kraft to no end and resulted in an unprecedented fine in the former case and an unprecedented pre-Super Bowl distraction in the latter case) were the product of an improper relationship with Goodell, then Kraft is not getting much bang for his improper relationship bucks. 

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If the Spygate and Deflategate investigations (both of which angered Kraft to no end and resulted in an unprecedented fine in the former case and an unprecedented pre-Super Bowl distraction in the latter case) were the product of an improper relationship with Goodell, then Kraft is not getting much bang for his improper relationship bucks. 

 

I did not mean to imply Kraft is paying Goodell. Only that due to their personal relationship the severity of the punishment  might be reduced. But a punishment of lesser severity might also be meted out for the improper reason of not wanting to tarnish the league champion. That may even be a stronger reason if any punishment appears to be disproportionately small.

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I suspect Goodell very well may not hit the Pats, even if they deserve it. But that is a dark suspicion, not based on the facts of the case but on what may be an improper relationship  between Goodell and Kraft.. And hearsay has nothing to do with it. To make a case for the statistical impossibility of the fumble rate improvement and its lining up in time with the rule change, a complete independent analysis would be required. And if the physicist, or a mathematician whose help he may seek, produces such an analysis and it does in fact show it is impossible for the improvement to have occurred without something beyond the rules having occurred, that would be a solid reason for severe punishment. No hearsay involved whatsoever. 

they might not hit the pats as if they did it would really question the integrity of the game.  

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they might not hit the pats as if they did it would really question the integrity of the game.  

 

Precisely. But not hitting them if they deserve it would really be a lack of integrity.

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Precisely. But not hitting them if they deserve it would really be a lack of integrity.

 

I think it's pretty clear they deserve it.  They purposely deflated footballs to gain an illegal competitive advantage - and it sounds like they were doing it for years.  Problem for the NFL is how to dole out punishment.

 

If they truly believe they cheated they would have to hammer them with very serious penalties - multiple draft picks and likely a year suspension for BB....but they're not going to do that to the superbowl champ and BB - but a small penalty for such a serious violation would come across as BS - saying they cheated but we're only taking a 4th round pick next year.  That would harm the integrity of the game worse...

 

realistically the only thing the league can do is to say they did nothing wrong - or something along the lines of "we found no evidence to show that there was any wrongdoing"

 

If anyone is expecting anything other than that - I think you're going to be disappointed.

 

I, for one, will be officially done with the Roger Goodell NFL - but the league mostly won't be harmed.

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I think it's pretty clear they deserve it.  They purposely deflated footballs to gain an illegal competitive advantage - and it sounds like they were doing it for years.

 

Funny how you know that as an absolute fact but the investgators looking into the situation haven't found anything in over 100 days.

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Funny how you know that as an absolute fact but the investgators looking into the situation haven't found anything in over 100 days.

 

Why have the investigators taken 100 days ? Care to explain ?

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Why would that happen?

It is obvious that there is absolutley no proof whatsoever that the Pats did anything wrong.

Why do you think this has dragged on for over 100 days?

Well if 11 of 12 patriots game balls being egregiously underinflated in multiple playoff games isn't proof I guess that's right.

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Why have the investigators taken 100 days ? Care to explain ?

This is a very in depth investigation. They had to talk to the janitors at Lucas oil stadium and Gillette stadium before interviewing Tom Brady. Y'know, the guy who threw and handled these flat footballs the entire game what could he possibly know?!?

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I remember a 1st round NE reach for a safety....      How about that Tebucky Jones guy?   LOL

 

Did you guys know that Tebucky Jones' kid was eligible for this year's draft?

 

Tebucky Jones, Jr.,  WR, Fordham (Senior, 5'11", 196)

 

No one drafted him.  Let's see if he signs as an UDFA somewhere.

 

*Shutters*

 

Yeah, but that was not Bill's fault.  I think that was a Pete pick.

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