Jetsfan80 Posted May 11, 2015 Author Share Posted May 11, 2015 Official Day 3 Vote Count Vic (1) - Leelou Smash (1) - Jif Arsis (1) - Smash With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I can move to Smash, but I'd rather some discussion before putting anyone at L-2 today. Does having a guilty on him suffice? BOOM!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Been away all weekend. The 3 boys keep me busy and was mothers day. Hope everyone got to enjoy it with their moms. TFW AVM thinks I'm scum You got 3 now? Damn boy. Super sperm!!! That being said Wombat usually has a good read on Leelou and he flipped town so I'm gonna run with his read. JC I NEVER feel good about, his post count is usually low so I can't trust how I'm feeling on him. Right now I would go Arsis or Smash. Smash has played in a manner I'm having a hardtime to get a read on. He's not nearly as paranoid when scum as I can recall- Jif can you elaborate your vote on that one a bit more? Arsis is new to me, so I'm not sure if I'm trying to read into his moves too much or if he's scum. Yes. I put in an investigation on Smash and he came back guilty. BOOM!!!! Batman to the rescue! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelou Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Does having a guilty on him suffice? BOOM!!! Yes. unvote, vote Smash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 11, 2015 Author Share Posted May 11, 2015 Official Day 3 Vote Count Smash (2) - Jif, Leelou Arsis (1) - Smash With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Want to make sure there isn't a CC first, since we're LYLO. @JiF: who were your other investigations? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Been away all weekend. The 3 boys keep me busy and was mothers day. Hope everyone got to enjoy it with their moms. TFW AVM thinks fears I'm scum 1 -- Don't apologize for being away during a weekend with family! 2 -- Fixed. Fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Few thoughts: Smash as a guilty is a good target for cop (depending on who he searched N1/N2) but it's also a good fall guy to go for the win. I'm not entirely sure there is a cop. We've been pretty heavily roled up -- 1x Vig, Doc, Tracker and mod-confirmed VT. Clearly there are only 3 scum or the game would be over. I don't THINK there is a roleblocker with Lily staying alive for so long, but by my math they probably get 3-3 power roles and I'll get more to that in a sec. Innocent/mod-confirmed and 1x Vig are probably +.5 for town each with +1 for doc and tracker each. It's feasible (and I've done this) to make Vig a null reading...but you could also make my role a +1 for town, so I think we're definitely looking at 3 power roles. So...if there's a cop, that's +4 for town. Here's the problem... Cop Tracker Doc Watcher 1x Vig SK Lyncher (Lyncher lynches their target game is over only lyncher wins)Roleblocker Role Cop Godfather 1x Janitor Goons Vanilla Town Above are the possible roles, red are the possible scum roles. Yes, you can have a scum tracker/watcher as well...but with a role cop (which I'm 99.99999% sure there is one of) what benefit would there be to having one, really? Scum already knows who is/isn't scum, obviously -- you don't need to know where people go (giving you the ability to deduce what roles they have) if you have a role that can find out what roles they have. Haven't seen janitor used and it probably should have been by now if they had it. If Vic were scum (IF), he's the one I adopted the double down strategy with roleblock/kill from -- so if they decided to ignore Lily for the time being I could see that. But he's not the only one to use that strategy, so it's not certain...just making the point that it's feasible for them to have a roleblocker and not have killed Lily N1. If they know she then has to protect herself they can hunt for investigative roles, which they hit N1 with CTM. Last thought -- there are two votes on Smash right now and we can just about safely assume that's not two townies on one townie. Scum would just come in and vote Smash and end this. I highly, highly doubt Smash and JiF are scum together -- JiF wouldn't have claimed he had him as scum and prolong the game. I could see JiF/Leelou as scum waiting for one eager townie to come in and vote Smash while a third team member waits in the shadows to hammer. Lots of possibilities, still. My point is we don't need to rush to lynch Smash, need to be slow and talk this out. Even if JiF is legit as the cop, we aren't in the clear and need to get as much info out there as possible to stand a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelou Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Few thoughts: Smash as a guilty is a good target for cop (depending on who he searched N1/N2) but it's also a good fall guy to go for the win. I'm not entirely sure there is a cop. We've been pretty heavily roled up -- 1x Vig, Doc, Tracker and mod-confirmed VT. Clearly there are only 3 scum or the game would be over. I don't THINK there is a roleblocker with Lily staying alive for so long, but by my math they probably get 3-3 power roles and I'll get more to that in a sec. Innocent/mod-confirmed and 1x Vig are probably +.5 for town each with +1 for doc and tracker each. It's feasible (and I've done this) to make Vig a null reading...but you could also make my role a +1 for town, so I think we're definitely looking at 3 power roles. So...if there's a cop, that's +4 for town. Here's the problem... Cop Tracker Doc Watcher 1x Vig SK Lyncher (Lyncher lynches their target game is over only lyncher wins) Roleblocker Role Cop Godfather 1x Janitor Goons Vanilla Town Above are the possible roles, red are the possible scum roles. Yes, you can have a scum tracker/watcher as well...but with a role cop (which I'm 99.99999% sure there is one of) what benefit would there be to having one, really? Scum already knows who is/isn't scum, obviously -- you don't need to know where people go (giving you the ability to deduce what roles they have) if you have a role that can find out what roles they have. Haven't seen janitor used and it probably should have been by now if they had it. If Vic were scum (IF), he's the one I adopted the double down strategy with roleblock/kill from -- so if they decided to ignore Lily for the time being I could see that. But he's not the only one to use that strategy, so it's not certain...just making the point that it's feasible for them to have a roleblocker and not have killed Lily N1. If they know she then has to protect herself they can hunt for investigative roles, which they hit N1 with CTM. Last thought -- there are two votes on Smash right now and we can just about safely assume that's not two townies on one townie. Scum would just come in and vote Smash and end this. I highly, highly doubt Smash and JiF are scum together -- JiF wouldn't have claimed he had him as scum and prolong the game. I could see JiF/Leelou as scum waiting for one eager townie to come in and vote Smash while a third team member waits in the shadows to hammer. Lots of possibilities, still. My point is we don't need to rush to lynch Smash, need to be slow and talk this out. Even if JiF is legit as the cop, we aren't in the clear and need to get as much info out there as possible to stand a chance. I was actually running the no cop scenario in my head last night, seeing as this is a Nolder game. unvote for a little bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 11, 2015 Author Share Posted May 11, 2015 Official Day 3 Vote Count Smash (1) - Jif Arsis (1) - Smash With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 JIF is a liar he is soft claiming something and its pure bullsh*t because if I die here this game is as good as over with 7 people left So in my eyes that makes him scum for sure I still think Arsis and JC are scum but JIF is 100% scum IMO Unvote Arsis vote JIF Trust me people don't get fooled into this by JIF If you side with him you will lose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I was actually running the no cop scenario in my head last night, seeing as this is a Nolder game. unvote for a little bit. no way Nolder is running a cop and a tracker out there with a Doc no way in hell. JIF waited for the perfect time to spring this on you all and if he was the cop why didn't he narrow it down for us with his previous investigations ? BTW how much scum hunting has JIF done in this game ? Nothing is the answer for someone who always brags about scum hunting abilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 AVM Leelou Vic Smash are the remaining town Jif JC Arsis are all scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Does having a guilty on him suffice? BOOM!!! You got 3 now? Damn boy. Super sperm!!! Yes. I put in an investigation on Smash and he came back guilty. BOOM!!!! Batman to the rescue! did you need to say it twice ? still without your other investigations ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Explain please. JC if you bothered to read the game I gave reason earlier as to why I thought Arsis was scum @Leelou Vic may very well be scum as well but of my three remaining scum JIF JC and Arsis the only one Im willing to swap out is JC since Vic has really contributed nothing to scum hunting this game at all and that's not like the Vic I know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Few thoughts: Smash as a guilty is a good target for cop (depending on who he searched N1/N2) but it's also a good fall guy to go for the win. I'm not entirely sure there is a cop. We've been pretty heavily roled up -- 1x Vig, Doc, Tracker and mod-confirmed VT. Clearly there are only 3 scum or the game would be over. I don't THINK there is a roleblocker with Lily staying alive for so long, but by my math they probably get 3-3 power roles and I'll get more to that in a sec. Innocent/mod-confirmed and 1x Vig are probably +.5 for town each with +1 for doc and tracker each. It's feasible (and I've done this) to make Vig a null reading...but you could also make my role a +1 for town, so I think we're definitely looking at 3 power roles. So...if there's a cop, that's +4 for town. Here's the problem... Cop Tracker Doc Watcher 1x Vig SK Lyncher (Lyncher lynches their target game is over only lyncher wins) Roleblocker Role Cop Godfather 1x Janitor Goons Vanilla Town Above are the possible roles, red are the possible scum roles. Yes, you can have a scum tracker/watcher as well...but with a role cop (which I'm 99.99999% sure there is one of) what benefit would there be to having one, really? Scum already knows who is/isn't scum, obviously -- you don't need to know where people go (giving you the ability to deduce what roles they have) if you have a role that can find out what roles they have. Haven't seen janitor used and it probably should have been by now if they had it. If Vic were scum (IF), he's the one I adopted the double down strategy with roleblock/kill from -- so if they decided to ignore Lily for the time being I could see that. But he's not the only one to use that strategy, so it's not certain...just making the point that it's feasible for them to have a roleblocker and not have killed Lily N1. If they know she then has to protect herself they can hunt for investigative roles, which they hit N1 with CTM. Last thought -- there are two votes on Smash right now and we can just about safely assume that's not two townies on one townie. Scum would just come in and vote Smash and end this. I highly, highly doubt Smash and JiF are scum together -- JiF wouldn't have claimed he had him as scum and prolong the game. I could see JiF/Leelou as scum waiting for one eager townie to come in and vote Smash while a third team member waits in the shadows to hammer. Lots of possibilities, still. My point is we don't need to rush to lynch Smash, need to be slow and talk this out. Even if JiF is legit as the cop, we aren't in the clear and need to get as much info out there as possible to stand a chance. AVM Jif half assed the cop claim and then felt the need to post it twice I'm 100 % sure he's scum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Want to make sure there isn't a CC first, since we're LYLO. @JiF: who were your other investigations? I investigated Lily. Wanted to make sure she wasnt lying and could cruise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 JIF is a liar he is soft claiming something and its pure bullsh*t because if I die here this game is as good as over with 7 people left So in my eyes that makes him scum for sure I still think Arsis and JC are scum but JIF is 100% scum IMO Unvote Arsis vote JIF Trust me people don't get fooled into this by JIF If you side with him you will lose Fear mongering ^^^^. And I out right claimed. You are scum. Sucks when you get busted. We should have lynched you D1 and I wouldnt have wasted an investigation on Lily. You'd be dead, our Doc wouldnt have been exposed and Batman would be running sh*t because I would have investigated you N1. Probably would have saved Lizzie from sh*tting on our community too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 AVM Jif half assed the cop claim and then felt the need to post it twice I'm 100 % sure he's scum Huh? lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Huh? lol huh LOL ? You came out with 2 cop claims against me in successive posts as if the first was not sufficient and never gave any of your other investigations to help town come to a conclusion. Your full of sh*t and its obvious so LOL that around in your mouth a bit. Your first claim was of the soft variety which had no reason to be at this stage in the game and your second was when you were told by your scum team that you were an Idiot and you should have just outright claimed cop and given your results. Sorry but you played it terribly and you played it scummy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Fear mongering ^^^^. And I out right claimed. You are scum. Sucks when you get busted. We should have lynched you D1 and I wouldnt have wasted an investigation on Lily. You'd be dead, our Doc wouldnt have been exposed and Batman would be running sh*t because I would have investigated you N1. Probably would have saved Lizzie from sh*tting on our community too. Fear Mongering ? Im not sure you realize this but this game hinges on this move so its not fear mongering its fact. Yet another terrible argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashmouth Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 I investigated Lily. Wanted to make sure she wasnt lying and could cruise. LOL now this is hilarious . Dude you are the worst LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 huh LOL ? You came out with 2 cop claims against me in successive posts as if the first was not sufficient and never gave any of your other investigations to help town come to a conclusion. Your full of sh*t and its obvious so LOL that around in your mouth a bit. Your first claim was of the soft variety which had no reason to be at this stage in the game and your second was when you were told by your scum team that you were an Idiot and you should have just outright claimed cop and given your results. Sorry but you played it terribly and you played it scummy Does anyone know what any of this means? I'm not the cop because of how I let you know I was cop? Fear Mongering ? Im not sure you realize this but this game hinges on this move so its not fear mongering its fact. Yet another terrible argument. Yes. Fear mongering. Its exactly what you're doing. I'm the cop. I got a guilty on you, so you are fear mongering to get the town on your side. LOL now this is hilarious . Dude you are the worst LOL 3 really strong posts Smash. What a strong defense. I'm sure you have everyone convinced. lmfao Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Sooooo, you guys want to like lynch scum or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 11, 2015 Author Share Posted May 11, 2015 Official Day 3 Vote Count JiF (1) - Smash Smash (1) - JiF With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 So? Jiffy lube is the cop? Has a guilty on smash? Hmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 String him up! vote smash! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 String him up! vote smash! You werent convinced by his amazing defense? lulza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 11, 2015 Author Share Posted May 11, 2015 Official Day 3 Vote Count Smash (2) - JiF, Arsis JiF (1) - Smash With 7 alive it takes 4 to lynch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Am I correct in assuming this is all the input we're getting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leelou Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Vic, thoughts? JC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 11, 2015 Author Share Posted May 11, 2015 Am I correct in assuming this is all the input we're getting? ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED? Oh wait wrong movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted May 11, 2015 Author Share Posted May 11, 2015 William Wallace: And if this is your army, why does it go? Veteran: We didn't come here to fight for them! Young Soldier: Home! The English are too many! William Wallace: Sons of Scotland! I am William Wallace. Young Soldier: William Wallace is seven feet tall! William Wallace: Yes, I've heard. Kills men by the hundreds. And if HE were here, he'd consume the English with fireballs from his eyes, and bolts of lightning from his arse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 Honestly Smash, JiF and Arsis all seem disingenuous. Smash just isn't as completely and utterly flabbergasted that people are voting him, I really am not sure if there's a cop given the roles out there, and Arsis just...is Arsis. If I had to vote one of the three...based off gameplay, Smash. Based off what I think the balance is, JiF. And based off one single post, Arsis (String him up! Post) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted May 11, 2015 Share Posted May 11, 2015 And yes, I've now gone full Ape and suspect literally everyone left in the game. /AwfulVM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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