Chan Gailey just put the nail in the coffin on the 2015 season

[Integrity28]

Doing good do far guys, hasn't devolved into a Simms thread yet.

[HessStation]

What he's saying is, DON'T EVEN with the Bryce Petty crap until 2016. DON'T. EVEN.

[Integrity28]

What he's saying is, DON'T EVEN with the Bryce Petty crap until 2016. DON'T. EVEN.

So smart!

[SoFlaJets]

So you where buying it to watch Fitzpatrick ? smh

What most of you people don't seem to understand about the game of football as played in the NFL is that you WANT to want to win THE SUPER BOWL. You DON'T want to want to see improvement or the typical maybe 1 or 2 playoff games. Geno Smith will not be hoisting the 2016 Lombardi Trophy, in fact I'll go so far as to say that the closest he ever gets to one in his NFL career is if they let him hold the trophy that Namath won. Geno Smith is terrible, Geno Smith is THE WORST starting QB in the game today. And yea, I think that we would have a chance to win it with Fitzpatrick behind Mangold's butt instead of The Scrub.

[Jets91]

In Geno's defense I went to the Buffalo game that was the only game I went to and look what happened.

[Joe Jets fan]

Well, there goes another season lost. 

 

 

Thats how you kill an entire off season of good work and optimisim.

[win4ever]

I think this may indicate a few things:

 

1)  Fitzpatrick is hurt moreso than they are letting on right now.  I found it odd that the Texans decided to move on from him with Hoyer when Fitz was the better QB option, and they were a team that is a decent QB away from competing.  I think Fitz might not be ready for the offseason as many predicted, and might be a PUP candidate.  

 

2)  There is a change in philosophy with the spread offense that Gailey is going to run, and Fitz missing most of camp might be putting him behind the 8 ball to start.  I'm not sure what the change could be, but it could be the reason why Geno would have a leg up on the competition and implementation of the offense, and with Fitz hurt, there is pretty much no way he can catch up.   

 

3)   There was a delay in which Gailey was hired, and I think his hiring may have hinged on him being able to name his QB.  I think he wants a more mobile QB for the spread system, because it adds a dimension that is very hard to defend in the spread offense.  The whole point of a spread system is to get one on one matchups, and use movement at the line to discern where the matchup is most beneficial.  It takes a good part of the thinking out of the QBs hands, because he already has a presnap read as to where his best matchup is, and can wait and see if his player wins that battle.  Geno's biggest weakness is his drop back reading, especially the backside of passes, so the spread system alleviates that concern to a certain extent, so Geno could be a better fit for the offense.   

 

4)  We aren't really doing any damage with Fitz as the QB.  Fitz is better than Geno, but his ceiling is also limited, so the best we can hope for is to be in the playoff hunt.  If we install a system that can tap into Geno's potential, then the potential of the team takes off, and thus it's more prudent to give Geno a better shot at developing than trying to strive for mediocrity to almost rans.  

 

 

[jetscrazey]

I think this may indicate a few things:

 

1)  Fitzpatrick is hurt moreso than they are letting on right now.  I found it odd that the Texans decided to move on from him with Hoyer when Fitz was the better QB option, and they were a team that is a decent QB away from competing.  I think Fitz might not be ready for the offseason as many predicted, and might be a PUP candidate.  

 

2)  There is a change in philosophy with the spread offense that Gailey is going to run, and Fitz missing most of camp might be putting him behind the 8 ball to start.  I'm not sure what the change could be, but it could be the reason why Geno would have a leg up on the competition and implementation of the offense, and with Fitz hurt, there is pretty much no way he can catch up.   

 

3)   There was a delay in which Gailey was hired, and I think his hiring may have hinged on him being able to name his QB.  I think he wants a more mobile QB for the spread system, because it adds a dimension that is very hard to defend in the spread offense.  The whole point of a spread system is to get one on one matchups, and use movement at the line to discern where the matchup is most beneficial.  It takes a good part of the thinking out of the QBs hands, because he already has a presnap read as to where his best matchup is, and can wait and see if his player wins that battle.  Geno's biggest weakness is his drop back reading, especially the backside of passes, so the spread system alleviates that concern to a certain extent, so Geno could be a better fit for the offense.   

 

4)  We aren't really doing any damage with Fitz as the QB.  Fitz is better than Geno, but his ceiling is also limited, so the best we can hope for is to be in the playoff hunt.  If we install a system that can tap into Geno's potential, then the potential of the team takes off, and thus it's more prudent to give Geno a better shot at developing than trying to strive for mediocrity to almost rans.  

1) entirely possible

2) no, Fitz has very good familiarity with the system they're putting in place

3) I agree that this is likely Gailey falling in love with Geno's POTENTIAL (little does he know...)

4) If you still believe in Geno's potential, then you are justified in saying that.  Personally, I don't think Geno has what it takes.  The intangibles just aren't there in my opinion.  He doesn't handle pressure well, his mental clock gets easily disrupted, he's slow to get rid of the ball, and has MAJOR accuracy issues.  He looks great until game action comes and guys play at full speed.  There he's exposed.

[SoFlaJets]

Well this totally bummed me out. This is a good news/bad news day. I woke up from my nap to a phone call from work and they are giving me an extra day's work all summer. I'll be working on Sunday afternoons anyway by the time the season starts 

[SoFlaJets]

1) entirely possible

2) no, Fitz has very good familiarity with the system they're putting in place

3) I agree that this is likely Gailey falling in love with Geno's POTENTIAL (little does he know...)

4) If you still believe in Geno's potential, then you are justified in saying that.  Personally, I don't think Geno has what it takes.  The intangibles just aren't there in my opinion.  He doesn't handle pressure well, his mental clock gets easily disrupted, he's slow to get rid of the ball.  He looks great until game action comes and guys play at full speed.  There he's exposed.

and he will NEVER have "what it takes" bro. We've both seen this guy put up some of the worst displays of QB-ing in the history of this team. He is THE WORST quarterback in the AFC

[Larz]

isn't this more of a bowles call ?

[SoFlaJets]

isn't this more of a bowles call ?

yes, head coach makes that call-even under idiot Rex

[jetscrazey]

isn't this more of a bowles call ?

Let's pray Bowles is flexible and is willing to put Fitz in sooner rather than later.

I think Gailey has a little hubris thinking he can take Geno's "potential" and turn him into a star.  He will likely be stubborn in giving up on this idea.

Bowles is going to need to put his foot down and go with the veteran in order to win some games.

[SoFlaJets]

I better go, I'm sorry guys-I hate to be the one to bring anyone down but I feel like my daughter's water slide that made my grandson cry yesterday (and today the wife spend hundreds to replace) all broken and deflated. Who knows, maybe some deal for Brees or Rivers can still be struck....

[Jet Nut]

I don't think Thomas Chandler Gailey Jr gives a flying **** what Manish Mehta writes. He's 63 and was talked out of retirement. I suspect he plans on doing this a couple years before fading back into Bolivian (as Tyson would say).

No but Jets fans on boards would have given a flying sh*t. Just like they're overreact to what he said today.

When did he announce his retirement?

[The Troll]

This is fantastic news.

Fitzpatrick is what he is (which is not good enough for anything beyond 8-8). Geno is entering his third year. You know what he has that Fitzpatrick doesn't have? POTENTIAL. In a question of the young guy that sucks, but might get better vs. the old guy that sucks that definitely isn't getting better, the only reason to take the old guy is blind hatred. Fortunately, Chan Gailey isn't a JN poster.

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[jack48]

I'm okay with this little bit of psychology.

 

Fitzpatrick won't be healthy enough to take the job until the season has begun. I'm sure a lot of fans here are going to read this at face value and freak out, but the reality I see is Bowles said he'd figure out what makes each individual tick. Since they don't want to start Petty, and Fitz won't be ready, why not get behind Geno and see where that gets you? Rex always hedged on Geno, because of the politicking between he and Idzik. 

 

Can't hurt to try a different form of motivation in May.

I think that Gailey has concluded that Geno will need a lot of reps to get his new system down.  Giving each guy 50% of the snaps will actually leave Geno behind Fitz when Fitz is ready to practice. Fitz has Gailey's system down already.  I also think Gailey has watched every foot of film ever shot of Geno (not counting porn) and he has concluded that Geno is his best bet.  But he will need a lot of snaps.

[jack48]

Let's pray Bowles is flexible and is willing to put Fitz in sooner rather than later.

I think Gailey has a little hubris thinking he can take Geno's "potential" and turn him into a star.  He will likely be stubborn in giving up on this idea.

Bowles is going to need to put his foot down and go with the veteran in order to win some games.

Fitz will know the system.  If Geno goes out there and starts blowing smoke out of his ass, it would not be a great leap to stick Fitz in there in the middle of a game.  On the other hand, a Geno who did not get enough pre season snaps would probably be compromised if Fitz broke his other leg Game One

[JetsFanatic]

This is fantastic news.

Fitzpatrick is what he is (which is not good enough for anything beyond 8-8). Geno is entering his third year. You know what he has that Fitzpatrick doesn't have? POTENTIAL. In a question of the young guy that sucks, but might get better vs. the old guy that sucks that definitely isn't getting better, the only reason to take the old guy is blind hatred. Fortunately, Chan Gailey isn't a JN poster.

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Your reasoning is pretty sound.  Starting Geno is the smart move, unlike last year, if Geno sucks they will make a change.  Geno is 24 and did show improvement late last season, lets see if he is getting better.

[jack48]

I got news for you: Geno is who he is.  A guy who had all day to throw the ball in college, playing basically 7-on-7, and developed bad habits as a result.  He's not an NFL starter.

Neither was Kordell Stewart.  Gailey is not an idiot.  Even MM was not an idiot.  These guys put their coaching reps on the line when they make these kinds of decisions.  He must see something he can work with.  I don't see it.  But I am willing to grant that he might, and not call him a fool.

[sackdance]

It's now or never for the -

 

We've heard this way too often for NYJ QBs over the past 5 years. Let's face it, "never" is a lock and "now" is a fantasy.

[Larz]

I am a bit put off by the "no competition" statement.  was that a direct quote ?

[ljr]

I was hoping for open competition and let the least bad QB win.

Gailey as the main offensive voice that was brought in to turn things around this season ... I will defer to his judgment ... Even though this wasn't what I wanted.

Please position Geno to lessen the Int's ... And equally damaging fumbles

[JohnnyLV]

What most of you people don't seem to understand about the game of football as played in the NFL is that you WANT to want to win THE SUPER BOWL. You DON'T want to want to see improvement or the typical maybe 1 or 2 playoff games. Geno Smith will not be hoisting the 2016 Lombardi Trophy, in fact I'll go so far as to say that the closest he ever gets to one in his NFL career is if they let him hold the trophy that Namath won. Geno Smith is terrible, Geno Smith is THE WORST starting QB in the game today. And yea, I think that we would have a chance to win it with Fitzpatrick behind Mangold's butt instead of The Scrub.

 

Stupidest post of a thread riddled with stupid posts. Your illogical and unfounded hatred of Geno just blinds you to any realistic discussion of his potential as a QB. And he has a much higher potential upside than Fitz, and it is actually a better QB right now than Fitz is. Fitz is a complete JAG and turnover machine that is a 10 year veteran for ****s sake. He is terrible, and has no mobility at all. Winning the Super Bowl is a longshot, but it is longer with Fitz. Geno deserves a shot without fcuktard Rex, the worst offensive coaching staff in football featuring the worst QB coach in David Lee and the worst WR coach in Sanjay Lal, and with some actual semi-competent weapons on offense. When David Nelson is not only #2, but a CLEAR #2 something is massively wrong with your receiving corps.

[Gastineau Lives]

Stupidest post of a thread riddled with stupid posts. Your illogical and unfounded hatred of Geno just blinds you to any realistic discussion of his potential as a QB. And he has a much higher potential upside than Fitz, and it is actually a better QB right now than Fitz is. Fitz is a complete JAG and turnover machine that is a 10 year veteran for ****s sake. He is terrible, and has no mobility at all. Winning the Super Bowl is a longshot, but it is longer with Fitz. Geno deserves a shot without fcuktard Rex, the worst offensive coaching staff in football featuring the worst QB coach in David Lee and the worst WR coach in Sanjay Lal, and with some actual semi-competent weapons on offense. When David Nelson is not only #2, but a CLEAR #2 something is massively wrong with your receiving corps.

 

 

LOL You just said Geno Smith, today, is a better QB that Ryan Fitzpatrick and called him stupid.

[BroadwayJoe12]

I am a bit put off by the "no competition" statement.  was that a direct quote ?

 

Seems more like an inference based off Gailey saying that Geno is most likely the week 1 starter.  There was no inclination that Geno would still be the starter if Fitzy or by some grace of god Petty significantly outplayed him in training camp. I just think Gailey likes what he sees in Geno compared to the other three QBs on the team, which is fairly telling as he's not married to any of them and one of them is his former QB.  Best-case scenario has always been Geno outplaying everyone and hopefully he does that.

[dbatesman]

I am a bit put off by the "no competition" statement. was that a direct quote ?

Take a wild guess.

[Snell41]

Gailey hired as OC. Jets fans all like "hooray he'z da greatest yo!" Galley names Geno starter, Jets fans all like "Gailey sucks mad ballz yo!"

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[Larz]

Seems more like an inference based off Gailey saying that Geno is most likely the week 1 starter.  There was no inclination that Geno would still be the starter if Fitzy or by some grace of god Petty significantly outplayed him in training camp. I just think Gailey likes what he sees in Geno compared to the other three QBs on the team, which is fairly telling as he's not married to any of them and one of them is his former QB.  Best-case scenario has always been Geno outplaying everyone and hopefully he does that.

 

 

thanks.  I wonder how much fitzmagics leg injury is factoring in here.  maybe he just figures the best way to move forward is to give geno all the 1st team reps and forget about a competition

[Jetmech]

You can't make this sh*t up!

[BroadwayJoe12]

thanks.  I wonder how much fitzmagics leg injury is factoring in here.  maybe he just figures the best way to move forward is to give geno all the 1st team reps and forget about a competition

 

It seems his leg is okay enough to go through drills, so I'm not sure how much that plays into it, it just seems like all of our other OCs, Gailey loves Geno's natural ability; plus arm, plus athleticism, pretty much every physical attribute you can want, but can they fix his decision making?  It's his third year, with legitimate talent surrounding him and a coaching staff who presumably won't be f*cking with him by designating his pre-snap decisions, I think he's got a shot to be a top 15 guy, but I also think if he starts costing us games, the FO won't hesitate to yank him. Who knows, it's May and unlike last season, I don't feel doomed going into it. 

[drdetroit]

The nail in the coffin? Jesus that's fickle.

[Bugg]

To Geno's credit, Fitz stats is from 10 years. looking at it that way I dont see anything to go home and tell mom about. Geno could easily turn it around, we all know the problems the Jets had on offense outside of him. Fitz on the otherhand is who he is. 

No, Smith is terrible. But in fairness Gailey did not say Smith is a lock for 16 games. Fitzpatrick may not even be healthy to start the season.And the Jets are not giving the job to Petty nor Simms, if he's even here when camp is over. It's Smith's job mostly by default. And he will as always f___ that up. Because Geno Smith sucks. 

[drdetroit]

This is fantastic news.

Fitzpatrick is what he is (which is not good enough for anything beyond 8-8). Geno is entering his third year. You know what he has that Fitzpatrick doesn't have? POTENTIAL. In a question of the young guy that sucks, but might get better vs. the old guy that sucks that definitely isn't getting better, the only reason to take the old guy is blind hatred. Fortunately, Chan Gailey isn't a JN poster.

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Good post

To declare the season over because Geno will probably start over a JAG like Fitz is as ignorant as it gets.

[artemusclyde]

Stupidest post of a thread riddled with stupid posts. Your illogical and unfounded hatred of Geno just blinds you to any realistic discussion of his potential as a QB. And he has a much higher potential upside than Fitz, and it is actually a better QB right now than Fitz is. Fitz is a complete JAG and turnover machine that is a 10 year veteran for ****s sake. He is terrible, and has no mobility at all. Winning the Super Bowl is a longshot, but it is longer with Fitz. Geno deserves a shot without fcuktard Rex, the worst offensive coaching staff in football featuring the worst QB coach in David Lee and the worst WR coach in Sanjay Lal, and with some actual semi-competent weapons on offense. When David Nelson is not only #2, but a CLEAR #2 something is massively wrong with your receiving corps.

 

Are you ******* serious? Just looking at stats you can tell that Fitz is a much better qb then Geno is. You want to talk about potential? Guess what ******* Jamarcus Russel has more potential then Andrew Luck, but at the end of the day he's out of the league and Luck is the best young qb in the game right now. Potential is just that potential. Yeah, Geno has potential to be great, just like every other ******* qb in the league. Until he actually looks like a below average qb, Geno will get the rep he deserves, ie a turnover prone qb who can't make a read to save his life.