Geno getting a raw deal by many

[kmnj]

I was not a mark sanchez guy and wanted him gone a year earlier-he lacked heart and was a poor leader-he also cant handle a pass rush-see last year with the eagles too-packers ate him alive back there

[JetBlue]

Love Hurts.  The nice man waxed his love onto his back, and the skin turned red just to show his devotion.  

 

Side note: I still believe 95% of all QBs are better off sitting a year, maybe playing the last 1-2 games of their rookie season just to get a taste.  Rushing a 21-22 year old so that he gets physically beaten up while trying to learn a huge amount of information and possibly booed by 70,000 people isn't really the way to go (in my opinion)

Especially when they played in a "one read" college spread offense and hadn't taken a snap under center in 4 years.  Not a recipe of success. 

[JetBlue]

nope not at all sanchez had a MUCH better team to work with early on-

Yep I don't know why that is consistently over looked. 

[JetBlue]

HUGE ceiling?  No.  You have to have a supercomputer brain with some superhuman physical traits for that to be the case.  He has the big body and some physical tools with a pretty dumb brain.  He has a modest ceiling as a result.  Think maybe a poor man's Tony Romo.  And that's probably being kind.

This is complete bullsh*t and I so sick and tired of reading this.  You have no clue how intelligent or dumb he is.  I don't give a **** how "intelligent" some one is, IT TAKES TIME TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY QB IN THE NFL, especially coming from a PURE SPREAD OFFENSE.  Please for the love of God stop acting like you have some insight into his intelligence because you and no one else on this board as ******* clue.   I swear if I didn't know better I would think this board is full of MENSA members. 

[Jetsfan80]

This is complete bullsh*t and I so sick and tired of reading this.  You have no clue how intelligent or dumb he is.  I don't give a **** how "intelligent" some one is, IT TAKES TIME TO LEARN HOW TO PLAY QB IN THE NFL, especially coming from a PURE SPREAD OFFENSE.  Please for the love of God stop acting like you have some insight into his intelligence because you and no one else on this board as ******* clue.   I swear if I didn't know better I would think this board is full of MENSA members. 

 

I'm not saying dumb compared to regular humans.  I'm saying dumb compared to other QB's.  The dude is a painter in real life and stuff, of course he's smart.  But football intelligence?  It doesn't take a Wonderlic score to show that he is a slow processer, much like Sanchez. 

 

Not to mention, it's never been easier to play QB in the NFL.  We didn't let him sit for a year.  Oh well, can't do anything about that now.  He's had 2 years and hasn't shown any signs he is going to improve on his "processing speed".  That's bad news.

[kmnj]

I'm not saying dumb compared to regular humans.  I'm saying dumb compared to other QB's.  The dude is a painter in real life and stuff, of course he's smart.  But football intelligence?  It doesn't take a Wonderlic score to show that he is a slow processer, much like Sanchez. 

 

way too early to judge that-there are plenty of elite qbs in football that started out with bad teams and put up bad numbers and made bad choices early on-

[Jetsfan80]

way too early to judge that-there are plenty of elite qbs in football that started out with bad teams and put up bad numbers and made bad choices early on-

 

For every one of those there's a bunch of Sanchez's, where they sit there waiting for someone to get open......keep waiting.....then it's too late.  It's not hard to see the similarities.

[JetBlue]

I'm not saying dumb compared to regular humans.  I'm saying dumb compared to other QB's.  The dude is a painter in real life and stuff, of course he's smart.  But football intelligence?  It doesn't take a Wonderlic score to show that he is a slow processer, much like Sanchez. 

IT TAKES TIME to learn how to read defenses.   When you take a raw player like Geno and through him into the fray (and give him little to no weapons he can rely on) of course he is going to struggle.   He has improved in that area and I think the game is starting to slow down for him.   Problem for him is trying to learn a new offense while competing against our defense.   He is going to have his work cut out for him. 

[kmnj]

For every one of those there's a bunch of Sanchez's, where they sit there waiting for someone to get open......keep waiting.....then it's too late.  It's not hard to see the similarities.

 

bet u would have said the same thing about aikman early in his career

playing with sh*tty talent and throwing massive amounts of ints-looking lost out there

[bostonmajet]

No team is going to invest 4-5 years on a guy (unless they are desperate).  If Geno continues to struggle (trying to be kind) he is done after this year.  The Jets will find a way to move on (it may require trading Wilk and other drastic measures, but they will move on).

 

Geno is now in the best possible position to succeed.  He has upgraded weapons, and a dramatically better defense (at least on paper).  No point talking would'a could'a should'a anymore.

 

He is the 'starter' on a team with a backup QB recovering from a broken leg.  If he can't shine now and he can't win and keep the starting job, he will likely never succeed as a starting in the NFL.  Being in the best position to succeed is the opposite of getting a raw deal.  He can show the nay-sayers and quiet the critics.  All he has to do is succeed.

 

big-arm, athletic, etc.  It is all good, but in the end he has to win.  If he can't he will be gone, and not because he got a raw deal.  Just my opinion

[Joe Jets fan]

Give me a break with everyone making excuses for this guy.  He just does not get it, he is not smart enough to figure out a defense.

 

Please, explain with a straight face the Buffalo game.    

[kmnj]

No team is going to invest 4-5 years on a guy (unless they are desperate).  If Geno continues to struggle (trying to be kind) he is done after this year.  The Jets will find a way to move on (it may require trading Wilk and other drastic measures, but they will move on).

 

Geno is now in the best possible position to succeed.  He has upgraded weapons, and a dramatically better defense (at least on paper).  No point talking would'a could'a should'a anymore.

 

He is the 'starter' on a team with a backup QB recovering from a broken leg.  If he can't shine now and he can't win and keep the starting job, he will likely never succeed as a starting in the NFL.  Being in the best position to succeed is the opposite of getting a raw deal.  He can show the nay-sayers and quiet the critics.  All he has to do is succeed.

 

big-arm, athletic, etc.  It is all good, but in the end he has to win.  If he can't he will be gone, and not because he got a raw deal.  Just my opinion

i agree he will sink or swim and has all of the tools needed to win

[Jetsfan80]

IT TAKES TIME to learn how to read defenses.   When you take a raw player like Geno and through him into the fray (and give him little to no weapons he can rely on) of course he is going to struggle.   He has improved in that area and I think the game is starting to slow down for him.   Problem for him is trying to learn a new offense while competing against our defense.   He is going to have his work cut out for him. 

 

2 years is enough time to see what you have.  Meanwhile the Vikings are building around Bridgewater after 1 season.  Sucks but that's the way it works.  Reclamation projects are few and far behind.  When you have a possibly a real QB, you just know.

[Jetsfan80]

bet u would have said the same thing about aikman early in his career

playing with sh*tty talent and throwing massive amounts of ints-looking lost out there

 

90's NFL is far different than today.

[JetBlue]

bet u would have said the same thing about aikman early in his career

playing with sh*tty talent and throwing massive amounts of ints-looking lost out there

If Aikman played for us, fans would have wanted us to cut him in training camp. 

[#27TheDominator]

And there's always a Bollinger, Ratliff, McElroy or Simms as a secret savior.  Though maybe with this regime that will change.

 

Conquering Hero Ryan Fitzpatrick?

[#27TheDominator]

If Aikman played for us, fans would have wanted us to cut him in training camp. 

 

I hear that Winters has no shot at unseating Aboushi now, but Aboushi probably deserved to be cut after his first training camp.  He stayed on potential/draft position.

[JetBlue]

2 years is enough time to see what you have.  Meanwhile the Vikings are building around Bridgewater after 1 season.  Sucks but that's the way it works.  Reclamation projects are few and far behind.  When you have a possibly a real QB, you just know.

Thank God you aren't in charge if you really believe that.   Every heard the expression IT TAKES 3 YEARS TO EVALUATE A DRAFT/PLAYER?  The fact that he improved the last 6 games of the season just soars right past your line of thinking.  You have convinced yourself that none of that matters for any number of rationalizations.    I like Bridgewater but he could fall right on his face so I think we could stand to wait before we send him to Canton (he was 7-9 as a rookie, Geno was 8-8 and Geno was very"RAW" and really had no business starting.)

[JetBlue]

THIS GUY THREW 3 INTS ON HIS FIRST FOUR PASSES!!!!   I BET SOME OF YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE CUT HIS ASS IF IT WAS YOUR CHOICE.   

 

Peyton Manning intercepted three times on first four passing attempts as Atlanta Falcons beat Denver Broncos 27-21P

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/peyton-manning-intercepted-times-passing-attempts-atlanta-falcons-beat-denver-broncos-27-21-article-1.1161840

 

ATLANTA - Peyton Manning kept throwing up wobbly passes.

The Atlanta Falcons kept picking them off.

Taking advantage of a stunning three interceptions in the first quarter, Matt Ryan and the Falcons built a big lead and held on for a 27-21 victory over the Denver Broncos on Monday night, an erratic effort by Manning that showed his comeback in the Mile High City is still a work in progress.

Ryan threw the 100th touchdown pass of his career, Roddy White had 102 yards receiving and the Falcons (2-0) made a 20-0 lead stand up, if just barely.

Willis McGahee scored on two 2-yard touchdown runs in the fourth quarter to give the Broncos (1-1) late hope. But, on third down, Ryan connected with Julio Jones on a 6-yard pass that gave Atlanta a crucial first down with less than 2 minutes to go.

They managed to run out the clock from there.

For Manning and the Broncos, it's back to the drawing board.

KEVIN C. COX/GETTY IMAGES Matt Ryan throws for 219 yards and two TDs.

Even though his velocity is supposed to be nearly the same as it was before four neck surgeries and missing his entire final season in Indianapolis, Manning threw a number of passes that seemed to just hang in the air long enough for the Falcons to step in front of them. Other times, it looked as though he had to put everything he had on the ball to get it where he wanted, even if it wasn't necessarily a deep route.

He finished 24 of 37 for 241 yards, including a 17-yard touchdown pass to Demaryius Thomas just before halftime.

The only other time Manning was picked off three times in the opening quarter was with the Colts in a 2007 game at San Diego.

Ryan was much more efficient than the four-time MVP, completing 24 of 36 for 219 yards. He hooked up with Tony Gonzalez for a 1-yard touchdown pass in the second quarter, then went to White on a 4-yard score in the third period.

Michael Turner scored Atlanta's first TD on a 1-yard run, the play set up by the first of Manning's picks. Matt Bryant kicked two field goals for the Falcons.

McGahee finished with 113 yards on 22 carries.

The Falcons appeared to be solidly in control heading to the fourth quarter, up 27-7 after Ryan hooked up with White on consecutive passes of 21 and 20 yards, then went to him again for the touchdown.

The Broncos at least made a game of it. Manning completed 7 of 11 for 89 yards in the final period, but two sacks helped stifle the comeback.

A week after he won his Denver debut with a home victory over Pittsburgh, the Broncos had turnovers on four on their first five possessions. It was an uncharacteristic prime time start for Manning, who began the night with an 11-3 career record on Mondays.

On the game's third play from scrimmage, he threw into triple coverage to Jacob Tamme, but Falcons strong safety William Moore stepped in front of the tight end for an interception.

Moore ran down the left sideline 33 yards before Orlando Franklin tackled him at the 1.

Turner ran twice over the left side of the line before jumping over a stack of Atlanta and Denver linemen to put the ball over the goal line for a 7-0 lead with 13:20 left in the first quarter. That summed up Atlanta's problems running the ball - Turner totaled only 42 yards on 17 carries.

The Broncos ran two plays before Manning faked a play-action handoff and threw down the right seam to Eric Decker. This time, free safety Thomas DeCoud picked him off and returned it 15 yards.

After Jones dropped what would have been a 19-yard touchdown pass from Ryan in the left corner of the end zone, Bryant followed with a 37-yard field goal to make it 10-0.

Manning's third pick went to Robert McClain, a reserve cornerback who was taking his first snap because Asante Samuel injured his neck on the previous play.

On Sunday, Manning's younger brother, Eli, threw three interceptions in the first half. But he rallied the New York Giants to a 41-34 victory over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

No such luck for big brother.

Atlanta nickel cornerback Christopher Owens left the game in the opening quarter with a head injury and did not return, further depleting a secondary that already lost Brent Grimes to a season-ending injury in Week 1.

Samuel returned to the field on Denver's next possession, whiffing on Willis McGahee's 31-yard run, but stopping Tamme 1 yard short of a first down to force a punt two snaps later.

On the next-to-last snap of the first quarter, Atlanta linebacker Stephen Nicholas forced a fumble by Knowshon Moreno near the Denver sideline and Sean Weatherspoon recovered for Atlanta.

A scrum began after the Falcons were awarded the ball.

Denver coach John Fox was on the field trying to restore order as players from both teams shoved each other. As Samuel was walking away, Broncos guard Zane Beadles ran into him and knocked him down. Samuel quickly jumped up, and Atlanta defensive end Ray Edwards appeared to throw a punch at a Denver player.

No one was ejected.

After Moreno's fumble, the Falcons ran 10 plays before Bryant kicked a 42-yard field goal for a 13-0 lead.

Then, Ryan found Gonzalez all alone in the end zone. The tight end who has caught the second-most passes in NFL history was left wide open in the back of the end zone on a crossing route. His quarterback froze the Broncos defense with a nifty play fake before delivering the pass that made it 20-0, punctuated by Gonzalez's dunk over the goal posts.

The Broncos finally got on the board with 6 seconds left in the half, though it took the replacement officials a second look to get it right. They initially ruled Thomas had been pushed out of bounds without getting both feet down. The replay clearly showed otherwise, Fox challenged the call, and the call was reversed in Denver's favor.

Another time, the replacements had to huddle just to make sure they knew where to place the ball after a defensive holding penalty on Denver's Champ Bailey.

The Falcons snapped a six-game losing streak on Mondays, including 0-3 under coach Mike Smith. Their last Monday win came over New Orleans on Dec. 12, 2005.

 

 

 

 

 

[JetBlue]

Give me a break with everyone making excuses for this guy.  He just does not get it, he is not smart enough to figure out a defense.

 

Please, explain with a straight face the Buffalo game.    

Ever heard of a guy by the name of Peyton Manning? He once threw 3 Ints ON HIS FIRST 4 PASSES.  I guess he isn't smart enough to read defense, either huh?  

 

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/peyton-manning-intercepted-times-passing-attempts-atlanta-falcons-beat-denver-broncos-27-21-article-1.1161840

[Joe Jets fan]

 

THIS GUY THREW 3 INTS ON HIS FIRST FOUR PASSES!!!!   I BET SOME OF YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE CUT HIS ASS IF IT WAS YOUR CHOICE.   

 

Peyton Manning intercepted three times on first four passing attempts as Atlanta Falcons beat Denver Broncos 27-21P

 

 

 

 

Yea, sure thats the same thing.  lol  good job making a silly point.

[kmnj]

2 years is enough time to see what you have.  Meanwhile the Vikings are building around Bridgewater after 1 season.  Sucks but that's the way it works.  Reclamation projects are few and far behind.  When you have a possibly a real QB, you just know.

 

there are plenty of all pro qbs and hall of famers that would have been cut if you ran the show-year 3 is where they made the marks

[JetBlue]

Yea, sure thats the same thing.  lol  good job making a silly point.

Silly point?  A veteran, hall of fame quarterback threw 3 interceptions on 4 consecutive passes but you want to give up on a raw talented second year player who throws 3 ints in the first quarter.   Get it Ace?  

[56mehl56]

bet u would have said the same thing about aikman early in his career

playing with sh*tty talent and throwing massive amounts of ints-looking lost out there

Same thing with Eli Manning.

[JetBlue]

Same thing with Eli Manning.

sh*t these guys would have tarred and feathered Terry Bradshaw is first 3 years. 

[kmnj]

Same thing with Eli Manning.

brees year two  terrible -more ints than tds and it is not close

 

year 3 year -booooommmm

[56mehl56]

Give me a break with everyone making excuses for this guy.  He just does not get it, he is not smart enough to figure out a defense.

 

Please, explain with a straight face the Buffalo game.    

Please explain with a straight face Ryan Fitzpatrick's game against the NYG last year.  But he's the brainiac who's so much smarter than Geno - he has to be better right ???

[bostonmajet]

Here is my question.  Forget the cherry picking of different games of other QBs, and please, forget the comparison of Geno to Peyton at all.  Forget the hype, the fact the Geno has had a historical weak showing with a few good/great games in his career (btw, Peyton cut his INTs in half second year while keeping up his TDs).  Forget how bad the Jets team overall was these past few years.  Forget everything.

 

Geno is likely to start this year.  My question is this: How many games do you give Geno before he has been given a 'fair shake'?  How many games to you give him before you can pull the plug and move on? 4 games? 1 year?

 

If the Jets suck this year, or win despite Geno, will that be enough?

 

The reason I ask is this, if Geno turns it around and plays great this year, most people on this site will rejoice and those who questioned Geno or thought he sucked will be happy.  If Geno gets another year and sucks, will those claiming that Geno hasn't had enough time to be given a fair shake?

 

It seems to me that Geno still has time to prove himself, but at some point you need to move on.  So I ask the Geno defenders, what is a fair amount of time?  Because I don't think it is fair for the franchise, players or fans for him to get an unlimited amount of time to improve.

[JetBlue]

Here is my question.  Forget the cherry picking of different games of other QBs, and please, forget the comparison of Geno to Peyton at all.  Forget the hype, the fact the Geno has had a historical weak showing with a few good/great games in his career (btw, Peyton cut his INTs in half second year while keeping up his TDs).  Forget how bad the Jets team overall was these past few years.  Forget everything.

 

Geno is likely to start this year.  My question is this: How many games do you give Geno before he has been given a 'fair shake'?  How many games to you give him before you can pull the plug and move on? 4 games? 1 year?

 

If the Jets suck this year, or win despite Geno, will that be enough?

 

The reason I ask is this, if Geno turns it around and plays great this year, most people on this site will rejoice and those who questioned Geno or thought he sucked will be happy.  If Geno gets another year and sucks, will those claiming that Geno hasn't had enough time to be given a fair shake?

 

It seems to me that Geno still has time to prove himself, but at some point you need to move on.  So I ask the Geno defenders, what is a fair amount of time?  Because I don't think it is fair for the franchise, players or fans for him to get an unlimited amount of time to improve.

Great post.  I think it is going to depend on a number of factors the most important of which will be turnovers and field position (no more running backwards and taking the team out of field goal range.)  Improvement in going through his progressions, keeping drives alive, knowing when to just throw it way followed by improved red zone efficiency.   In fact his ability to get the team in the end zone instead of constantly settling on field goals will also be a major factor.  A big part of all of this is his ability to get the ball to his play makers in position to make plays.    If our running game can be top 5 than Geno's job gets a whole lot easier... 

 

Bottomline is he can develop a level of consistency on par with his last 6 games he can have an above average season.   If continues to struggle with turnovers and fails to get the team in the end zone I can see him on the bench in 4 or 5 games.  No more than 6. 

 

BTW no one is comparing Geno to Peyton.  The point was that Peyton as a 10 year veteran future Hall of Famer that everyone agrees is one of the best at reading defenses, STILL threw 3 ints on his first 4 passes in a game in 2012.   If it can happen to someone like him, then it can happen to anyone.  Especially a raw second year player. 

[RutgersJetFan]

Necro'ing JetBlue's posts some time around Weeks 6 to 9 is going to be one heck of a day.

[chirorob]

Here is my question.  Forget the cherry picking of different games of other QBs, and please, forget the comparison of Geno to Peyton at all.  Forget the hype, the fact the Geno has had a historical weak showing with a few good/great games in his career (btw, Peyton cut his INTs in half second year while keeping up his TDs).  Forget how bad the Jets team overall was these past few years.  Forget everything.

 

Geno is likely to start this year.  My question is this: How many games do you give Geno before he has been given a 'fair shake'?  How many games to you give him before you can pull the plug and move on? 4 games? 1 year?

 

If the Jets suck this year, or win despite Geno, will that be enough?

 

The reason I ask is this, if Geno turns it around and plays great this year, most people on this site will rejoice and those who questioned Geno or thought he sucked will be happy.  If Geno gets another year and sucks, will those claiming that Geno hasn't had enough time to be given a fair shake?

 

It seems to me that Geno still has time to prove himself, but at some point you need to move on.  So I ask the Geno defenders, what is a fair amount of time?  Because I don't think it is fair for the franchise, players or fans for him to get an unlimited amount of time to improve.

 

This is a good point you are making.  Depends on how he is playing.  Historically bad, like 3 turnovers a game?  4 games. 

 

Just real bad, 8.

 

Also depends, how is the O Line?  Yes our WR are better, but how is the team at RT, and both guard spots?   That's what worries me about the Fish, Suh vs our guards, that could be brutal to watch. 

[Jolot]

Really? Peyton Manning ? ......really????

[Jolot]

Mike Schmidt once went 0-4 on a Thursday so I fully expect Ruben Tejada to break out any day now.

[56mehl56]

Here is my question.  Forget the cherry picking of different games of other QBs, and please, forget the comparison of Geno to Peyton at all.  Forget the hype, the fact the Geno has had a historical weak showing with a few good/great games in his career (btw, Peyton cut his INTs in half second year while keeping up his TDs).  Forget how bad the Jets team overall was these past few years.  Forget everything.

 

Geno is likely to start this year.  My question is this: How many games do you give Geno before he has been given a 'fair shake'?  How many games to you give him before you can pull the plug and move on? 4 games? 1 year?

 

If the Jets suck this year, or win despite Geno, will that be enough?

 

The reason I ask is this, if Geno turns it around and plays great this year, most people on this site will rejoice and those who questioned Geno or thought he sucked will be happy.  If Geno gets another year and sucks, will those claiming that Geno hasn't had enough time to be given a fair shake?

 

It seems to me that Geno still has time to prove himself, but at some point you need to move on.  So I ask the Geno defenders, what is a fair amount of time?  Because I don't think it is fair for the franchise, players or fans for him to get an unlimited amount of time to improve.

Move on to what - journeyman Fitzpatrick , they can't and shouldn't play Petty this year. I  believe Geno should get this season barring disaster or injury, if he underperforms the CS and front office know where their focus should be next year. 

[TuscanyTile2]

What will Geno's excuse be next year?  Devin Smith was only a rookie?