Klecko73isGod Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 and Geno was benched for an aged, broken down vick who is now out of football - what does that say about Geno? Cousins is an upgrade from Geno. As I said before, if Cousins had come out one year later he would have been the first QB taken in the draft - well ahead of Geno. Aged, broken down Mike Vick >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kirk Cousins. I didn't say anything about Geno. I said Cousins wouldn't be an upgrade. Saying someone wouldn't be an upgrade over what you've got is not the same as saying what you've got is better. Geno sucks, Fitz sucks, Cousins sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Wasnt Wolf and Casserly the consulting team Woody used? I would hope he'd be gushing over the Head Coach he chose to lead the Jets. We know Woody was finally just a puppet in the process and Casserly and Wolf did all the real work. Yeah a puppet? Who pays and ultimately signs off on the pick? Its painful to credit an owner, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 and Geno was benched for an aged, broken down vick who is now out of football - what does that say about Geno? Cousins is an upgrade from Geno. As I said before, if Cousins had come out one year later he would have been the first QB taken in the draft - well ahead of Geno. That he needed to be benched? To sit, absorb and hopefully learn something? Which he apparently did going by his last 5 games. Don't think anyone thinks we put Vick in because he was appreciably better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Not sure if Fitz is better than Cousins, but I would rather have Bowles than Quinn. Quinn likes to put guys out there on D and leave them alone. You need All Star talent for that. And to me that is not high level coaching. Shanahan is a Shanahan. I hate those guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 That he needed to be benched? To sit, absorb and hopefully learn something? Which he apparently did going by his last 5 games. Don't think anyone thinks we put Vick in because he was appreciably better maybe you forgot the buffalo game last year. 3 int's in like his first 5 passes. He was benched because he stunk the joint up, not to learn as you suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 One of the best comedy bits, ever. I don't even know if it was one of the best bits in that routine. His act circa whenever that was is better than every set ever by anybody other than Pryor/Murphy/Rock and some of theirs too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Yeah a puppet? Who pays and ultimately signs off on the pick? Its painful to credit an owner, lol I credit the owner for having the wherewithal to know he's not cut out making Football related decisions regarding the team so hiring a group of men who are very capable was wise thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 maybe you forgot the buffalo game last year. 3 int's in like his first 5 passes. He was benched because he stunk the joint up, not to learn as you suggest. Big deal, why do people bring one game up as if one game is significant. Every HOF QB has had a game like that, it doesnt make your point. The point of the benching was to get him straightened out, not as a punishment. And it worked, so whats who cares why? People who hated Geno wanted him benched, they benched him and he played much better after the benching. WTF, now we need to argue why he was benched, its not good enough it may have done something for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I credit the owner for having the wherewithal to know he's not cut out making Football related decisions regarding the team so hiring a group of men who are very capable was wise thing to do. Pretty much what every owner not named Jones does. He's done the same before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Every HOF QB has had a game like that, it doesnt make your point. It does because Geno is the opposite of a HOF QB. One awful game by a terrible QB is a legitimate criticism. One awful game by Aaron Rodgers is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Wolf gushed about Bowles, for whatever it's worth. Nice link usage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Pretty much what every owner not named Jones does. He's done the same before. Oh really? Every owner outsources his GM hunt to a Consulting company and then follows up his next search hiring a group of former GM's? Interesting how I've never seen or read about such occurrences with other teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Oh really? Every owner outsources his GM hunt to a Consulting company and then follows up his next search hiring a group of former GM's? Interesting how I've never seen or read about such occurrences with other teams. You said "having the wherewithal to know he's not cut out making Football related decisions regarding the team so hiring a group of men who are very capable was wise thing to do." Now you don't like who he brought in to help advise? I've read about teams hiring advisors, hiring those same ex GMs, Stick to one complaint, he didn't do a single thing in looking for outside help that anyone should whine about. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt' Thought the point was he knew he needed help and went out and got it. And when he saw a Idzik was a mistake got rid of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 It does because Geno is the opposite of a HOF QB. One awful game by a terrible QB is a legitimate criticism. One awful game by Aaron Rodgers is not. And as usual you miss the point by a mile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 So depressing, that we always deal with such medicority at qb. Us and 15 other NFL teams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 You said "having the wherewithal to know he's not cut out making Football related decisions regarding the team so hiring a group of men who are very capable was wise thing to do." Now you don't like who he brought in to help advise? I've read about teams hiring advisors, hiring those same ex GMs, Stick to one complaint, he didn't do a single thing in looking for outside help that anyone should whine about. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt' Thought the point was he knew he needed help and went out and got it. And when he saw a Idzik was a mistake got rid of him. Nobody is whining sweetheart. And i can complain about as many things as I want. Which I never actually did but I still reserve that right. I've never read about other teams using consulting. You're a wise wise man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Nobody is whining sweetheart. And i can complain about as many things as I want. Which I never actually did but I still reserve that right. I've never read about other teams using consulting. You're a wise wise man. Good for you, if you never read about any other teams using consultants it has to be true. You'd be wrong but hey, its your right. For starters http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000120430/article/ron-wolf-hired-as-san-diego-chargers-consultant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 And as usual you miss the point by a mile. I get your point, and dismiss it. The reason for his benching is relevant here. It wasn't the coaching staff hoping it would do him some good. It was a benching because it was some of the worst QB play by anyone that season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Good for you, if you never read about any other teams using consultants it has to be true. You'd be wrong but hey, its your right. For starters http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000120430/article/ron-wolf-hired-as-san-diego-chargers-consultant Thank you for providing such great insight. This is a first time for me. I see Ron has had a major impact on the San Diego Chargers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Thank you for providing such great insight. This is a first time for me. I see Ron has had a major impact on the San Diego Chargers. You said you never heard of a similar situation with a consultant, here's one. More insight than you saying it hasn't happened anywhere else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I get your point, and dismiss it. The reason for his benching is relevant here. It wasn't the coaching staff hoping it would do him some good. It was a benching because it was some of the worst QB play by anyone that season. You never get anyones point, You just keep saying the same things over and over again, thread after thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 You never get anyones point, You just keep saying the same things over and over again, thread after thread. Just preaching the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 You said you never heard of a similar situation with a consultant, here's one. More insight than you saying it hasn't happened anywhere else Which is why I thanked you for showing me an article. My god, in addition to being a little agro, you're a hard man to please. And I'm great at pleasing men. Probably my best skill in life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 This thread. I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Just preaching the truth. Sure, your truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Which is why I thanked you for showing me an article. My god, in addition to being a little agro, you're a hard man to please. And I'm great at pleasing men. Probably my best skill in life. Well then its been a pleasure providing truth, I'm a giver too. All good, not pissed at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I dont know what to make of the article. It sounds like Woody got paranoid and pulled the trigger on his second option. Is that a good thing? Probably because Woody is a moron so hopefully the fact he was higher on Quinn is a good thing for the Jets that we wound up with Bowles. And what does it say about Bowles that his plan included Smith while Quinn's was clearly to get away from him as quick as possible? I love this team. It says to me that Bowles has a better idea on how to run his team. Giving Geno one last chance and landing a Vet who could back him up, should he falter, was by far the better plan. Of all the QBs that could be traded for, Cousins would be 3rd, maybe 4th on my list. I just don't like him that much. That all being said I liked both guys as potential HC's for us. People also forget what Quinn did at Florida. The guy can coach. I just liked Bowles more. I loved how he made due with what he had and made it work. He also had that small interim stint with the Dolphins giving him some sort of experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 I was thinking about that the other day. I dont recall it perfectly but I remember watching like a roundtable type of interview with a bunch of coaches...one of them being Marvin Lewis and Bowles was on the panel too. The question was asked to the table, do you recommend calling the plays on whatever side of the ball you came from? And Marvin's take was no, he doesnt call the D because all the real decisions that need to be made are on offense. Therefore, he rather be on the offensive radio and let this DC call the plays. This is where it gets unclear...I think Bowles said he would not be calling plays but I cant remember perfectly. I'm pretty sure he's said in interviews that he won't call plays. VRENTAS: Have you decided whether you want to call the defense during the regular season? BOWLES: No, because [in the first preseason game], we were just letting guys play. There was no game-planning or play-calling really involved. It was very generic, and we were just trying to make sure guys could run around fast and know what they were doing. We’ll get a good feel these next two games coming up. A lot of other coaches [call plays], so it’s no big deal. You just want to see where your your team is at before you do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk Posted August 21, 2015 Share Posted August 21, 2015 Didn't the reports come out that Quinn was going to Atlanta before it was NFL legal? If Woody wanted to sign Quinn, he would have taken the chance, or signed him in the same way that Atlanta did, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
batman10023 Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 and Geno was benched for an aged, broken down vick who is now out of football - what does that say about Geno? Cousins is an upgrade from Geno. As I said before, if Cousins had come out one year later he would have been the first QB taken in the draft - well ahead of Geno. Why did he fall so much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetmech Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 We will find out if the Jets made the right/wrong choice. I also don't like HC's choosing their GM's, especially a rookie HC. Bowles so far seems to know how to run TC, lets see if he knows how to game plan and make adjustments... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funaz Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 This article basically says we settled for bowles because we could land the guy we really wanted. Sent from my Venue 8 7840 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionelRichie Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Why did he fall so much? Luck, RG3, Tannehill, Weeden, Osweiler, Foles, WIlson. Those were the QB's taken ahead of Cousins. He may not be the second coming of Joe Montana but he is an instant upgrade to the NYJ QBs today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saul Goodman Posted August 22, 2015 Share Posted August 22, 2015 Both Bowles and Quinn were excellent candidates, would've been happy with either. I would take Cousins over Geno in a heartbeat. But... The Jets’ concurrent head coaching and general manager searches made for an interesting dynamic. Quinn told friends that he wanted to bring former Buccaneers GM Mark Dominik aboard in some capacity. would not have been OK with Dominik as the GM. Maccagnan is our guy. So all in all, I'm happy with how things turned out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richjets Posted August 23, 2015 Share Posted August 23, 2015 I'm totally in on coach Bowles for now. The culture on this team has been according to Rex and they tried to bring back the circus but coach Bowles stoped it and now the team knows there is a new culture and sheriff in town and that is coach Bowles. This team has a lot of new pieces that need to play and communicate better on the field and it is starting to come toghether it didn't help with the Geno fiasco but I think Fitz can keep it toghether until Geno returns. Jets fans we need to see once and for all what Geno has and Fitz is ok for now but he dose not have the arm and legs for the deep throws that we need. Looking forwar for next preseason game Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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