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By Glenn Naughton   Still not satisfied with their quarterback depth chart, the New York Jets are reportedly set to bring in Josh Johnson who was recently let go by the Cincinnati Bengals for a workout. Josh Johnson scheduled for workout with Jets http://t.co/gKzHLlEZX1 — ProFootballTalk (@ProFootballTalk) August 27, 2015 Johnson, a five year veteran […]

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I love when you double down! Jets aren't risking losing Petty by attempting to slide him onto the practice squad. Zero chance that happens. 

Flynn has a weaker arm than Fitz.  I get the sense that Bowles is disgusted with Geno, and they ALL understand the shortcomings of every QB option we have. Unlike the years with Tanny and Rex where a

Longest NFL.com scouting report I've ever seen.

 

 

One of the game's best-kept secrets, at least where the national media is concerned, Johnson has greatly impressed professional scouts that have actually seen him perform. Many will agree that he is one of the most exciting athletes to watch with the ball in his hands, bringing back memories of Michael Vick and Vince Young during their collegiate days.

Johnson brings tremendous energy to the field and is the type defenses must account for on every play. Whether it is unleashing a deep pass, putting zip on his short throws or playing like a whirling dervish running with the ball, the talented quarterback has proven he can strike from anywhere on the field.

Johnson earned first-team All-City, Oakland Chamber of Commerce Prep of the Month and Most Improved Player honors as a senior at Oakland Technical High School. He was also named Most Inspirational his junior year when he could not play due to injury. He threw for 1,900 yards and 22 touchdowns with just two interceptions his senior season, leading his team to the Oakland Athletic League Championship.

The versatile athlete also lettered in basketball and track. He was an honorable mention All-City choice in hoops and finished in the high jump (6'5") at the Oakland Athletic League Championships.

Looking for an opportunity to be part of a rising football program, Johnson turned down scholarship offers from St. Mary's and Idaho State to enroll at San Diego in 2004. That year, he appeared in seven games, playing behind Todd Mortensen. He hit on 12-of-22 passes (54.5%) for 135 yards, no touchdowns and one interception. He added 39 yards and a pair of scores on 13 carries (3.0 avg), caught a 3-yard pass and returned a pair of punts for a 1-yard loss.

With Mortensen having graduated, Johnson took over starting duties in 2005, going on to win the first of two Pioneer Football League Offensive Player of the Year honors. He was a first-team All-American choice by The Sports Network and named Division 1-AA Offensive Back of the Year by the Football Gazette.

Johnson ranked 11th in the nation in pass completions (260-of-371 attempts), setting school season-records for pass completion percentage (70.1), yards passing (3,256) and touchdown passes (36). He finished second nationally with a 171.51 passing efficiency rating and ranked fifth with an average of 302.92 yards per game in total offense. His 3,635 yards in total offense is the second-highest season total in school history.

In 2006, Johnson received consensus All-American and unanimous All-Pioneer Football League first-team recognition. The Division 1-AA Offensive Player of the Year by The NFL Draft Report was also selected the PFL's Offensive Player of the Year. He led the nation with a 169.02 passing efficiency rating, an average of 333.67 yards per game in total offense, 3,320 yards passing and 24.33 points per game that he was responsible for.

Johnson connected on 246-of-371 passes (66.3%) with 34 touchdowns and only five interceptions. He picked up 720 yards with 11 scores on 107 carries (6.7 avg) and caught two passes for 27 yards and a touchdown. He participated in 478 plays, as his 4,040 yards in total offense rank 15th on the NCAA FCS/1-AA season-record list.

Johnson earned the team's MVP award following the 2007 season. He finished third in the Walter Payton Award voting while throwing a school-record 43 touchdown passes. He led the nation in total offense, passing efficiency and points responsible for.

Johnson finished his career as the NCAA's all-time leader in passing efficiency at 176.7.

Analysis

Strengths

Positives: Has a lean, angular frame that needs to add more bulk, but shows no loss in quickness after increasing his weight by 10 pounds from his junior to senior seasons... Has a tight abdomen, toned thighs and calves, adequate arm length and minimal body fat...Quick, mobile scrambler with above average balance and body control to make all the throws when on the move...Possesses that second gear needed to elude when rushing past the line of scrimmage and the vision to locate the cutback lanes... Very smooth in his retreat from center to his throwing point, demonstrating the slide-and-adjust agility to step up in the pocket or roll out to avoid pressure...Shows very good knee bend and the ability to weave through traffic, making a good effort to provide ball security before heading up field...Capable of handling the mental aspect of the game, as he makes all of the required reads and checks to excel in a pass-oriented offense...Won't hesitate to square his shoulders and drive his legs to gain tough yardage up the middle rather than passively head to the sidelines to avoid any contact...Doesn't force the ball into traffic and can keep defenses honest with his long-range arm strength or ability to weave in and out of traffic as a ball carrier...With his body control, agility and hip flexibility, he is quick driving back from center, doing a nice job of setting his feet in either 3-step or 5-step drops...Gets to his throwing point fluidly and has the balance to make all the throws on the run...Nimble and agile rolling out of the pocket and has the balance to step up and avoid pocket pressure...While patient waiting for the plays to develop, he is not the type who will hold on to the ball too long and then try to force the action to make the play, as he knows when he needs to throw the ball away...Demonstrates the compact delivery and throwing motion, along with the wrist flick, to get the ball out cleanly and quickly. He has a compact motion, holding the ball chest-high to execute a fluid three-quarter release...Seems more comfortable airing the ball out, rather than playing dink-and-dunk with a short-area passing game (accuracy is a bit off on screens, wheel routes)...Effective at throwing ropes 40 yards downfield with ease...Accurate throwing from the pocket and has the balance to also make those throws on the move...Consistent setting his feet and shows good mechanics delivering the ball on time...Likes to air the ball out more than stay underneath, as he knows how to get the ball to his targets in stride rather than have them wait or come back for it...Keeps his cool under pressure and knows that when all else fails, he has the feet to step up and avoid the pocket pressure...Stands tough under duress and shows confidence in his ability to execute the play...Patient waiting for plays to develop and does a very good job with ball security...Vocal on the field, demonstrating a little bit of Brett Favre with his bravado...Capable of getting big yardage with his feet and is a dangerous threat running with the ball...As a ballcarrier, he shows good strength and body lean to gain additional yardage after the initial hit and is conscious of protecting the ball and shielding it from the defenders...Builds to top acceleration nicely and is alert to coverages (won't run into spots too often)...Knows how to get the ball to his deep targets over their outside shoulder without the receiver having to adjust.

Negatives: Needs to add more bulk and has just adequate height for a drop-back position, but does a good job of scanning the field and his mobility could be an asset in a spread offense...Must work on his timing a bit (needs to take a bit off those tosses to make it easier for the receiver to secure without having to adjust), but has the vision to scan the field and make good progression reads...Gets the ball through the throwing arc well and has a lively arm, but needs to learn how to vary his speed at times (puts too much zip on his short throws)...Has good arm strength, but when he fails to set his feet properly, his throws will wobble...Has not faced as many complex defenses as he will experience in the NFL, but he shows good anticipation and timing making all of his throws.

Compares To: RANDALL CUNNINGHAM-ex-Philadelphia (1986-95), Minnesota (97-99), Dallas (2000), Baltimore (2001)...Like Cunningham, Johnson's athletic ability separates him from the rest of this quarterback crop. He is not as big or strong as Randall, but has the same body control, balance and scrambling ability that forces defenses to account for not only his arm, but also his feet. He will need to add more bulk to compete at the next level, but with his developing arm strength and excellent vision, he would be an ideal fit for a West Coast/spread offense.

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Flynn has a weaker arm than Fitz. 

I get the sense that Bowles is disgusted with Geno, and they ALL understand the shortcomings of every QB option we have. Unlike the years with Tanny and Rex where apathy and delusion with the primary methods of dealing with having a bad QB, it seems these guys give a ****.

if ththy were tha pissedan wwith Geno, he'd be cut right now.  They didn't waste time cutting IK...why would the genocide situation be any different?  I have a feeling Amaro is on the bubble...but not Geno.

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Doesn't say much for our Qb's but at least we have a GM who is on the ball and is going to look at improving the bottom end of the roster as best he can.  A damn sight better than being happy with 42 year old Brunnel, Brooks Bollinger or tim Tebow as back ups.

This gm never stops working and looking to improve, even if it is going from terrible to not quite so terrible.

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if ththy were tha pissedan wwith Geno, he'd be cut right now.  They didn't waste time cutting IK...why would the genocide situation be any different?  I have a feeling Amaro is on the bubble...but not Geno.

I don't know what Bowles and Mac are thinking, but just because you are pissed or done with a player, doesn't mean you cut them immediately.  The IK thing was different - just like when Pats cut Hernadez (but not as severe obviously) - it was a discipline thing.

But, you can't release Geno without a reasonable backup/starter; if they were leaning towards Geno as a starter this year, that would mean, they have Fitz (who they didn't want to start) starting, and Flynn as a backup.  Unless you can replace Geno with someone better, you hold on to him until you can.

So, even if they are ready to move on from Geno, they don't have a viable option.  Just my opinion; my guess is that unless he did something amazing, they were going to try and move on from him for next season anyway.

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if ththy were tha pissedan wwith Geno, he'd be cut right now.  They didn't waste time cutting IK...why would the genocide situation be any different?  I have a feeling Amaro is on the bubble...but not Geno.

Geno didn't throw the punch. I didn't say "pissed", I said disgusted... as in, not feeling Geno as a leader. Doesn't mean you outright cut him, but you don't want to build around him, if you don't have to... and if they keep looking for an alternative, they clearly understand they don't have to.

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That draft profile sounds like Kaepernick.  He came out before Kap which may be why the comp is Cunningham. I think T0m should be forced to ponder the Tyrod Taylor nature of this visit.

When I saw him released, I hoped we'd at least kick the tires. Sometimes all  you need is the right OC to pair up with a kid like this... and boom, lightning in a bottle.

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When I saw him released, I hoped we'd at least kick the tires. Sometimes all  you need is the right OC to pair up with a kid like this... and boom, lightning in a bottle.

Maybe.  Doesn't happen much with QBs though.  The kid seemed to have a thing with Harbaugh - from San Diego to the 49ers.  Harbaugh leaving is probably why he was dumped.

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Mettenberger would be my dream scenario.  He may be a little like Eli at times, but he can make all the throws and came out of the gate swinging.  He puts a lot of pressure on defenses.  I watched his first game vs Steelers and all I knew was...we need one of those.  The kid can play.  However, will a mobile QB like Mariota, you can't trade an established back up at this point in time.

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  • 4.55 SEC
  • 33.5 INCH
  • 110.0 INCH
  • 6'3"HEIGHT
  • 198LBS.WEIGHT
 

OVERVIEW

One of the game's best-kept secrets, at least where the national media is concerned, Johnson has greatly impressed professional scouts that have actually seen him perform. Many will agree that he is one of the most exciting athletes to watch with the ball in his hands, bringing back memories of Michael Vick and Vince Young during their collegiate days.

Johnson brings tremendous energy to the field and is the type defenses must account for on every play. Whether it is unleashing a deep pass, putting zip on his short throws or playing like a whirling dervish running with the ball, the talented quarterback has proven he can strike from anywhere on the field.

Johnson earned first-team All-City, Oakland Chamber of Commerce Prep of the Month and Most Improved Player honors as a senior at Oakland Technical High School. He was also named Most Inspirational his junior year when he could not play due to injury. He threw for 1,900 yards and 22 touchdowns with just two interceptions his senior season, leading his team to the Oakland Athletic League Championship.

The versatile athlete also lettered in basketball and track. He was an honorable mention All-City choice in hoops and finished in the high jump (6'5") at the Oakland Athletic League Championships.

Looking for an opportunity to be part of a rising football program, Johnson turned down scholarship offers from St. Mary's and Idaho State to enroll at San Diego in 2004. That year, he appeared in seven games, playing behind Todd Mortensen. He hit on 12-of-22 passes (54.5%) for 135 yards, no touchdowns and one interception. He added 39 yards and a pair of scores on 13 carries (3.0 avg), caught a 3-yard pass and returned a pair of punts for a 1-yard loss.

With Mortensen having graduated, Johnson took over starting duties in 2005, going on to win the first of two Pioneer Football League Offensive Player of the Year honors. He was a first-team All-American choice by The Sports Network and named Division 1-AA Offensive Back of the Year by the Football Gazette.

Johnson ranked 11th in the nation in pass completions (260-of-371 attempts), setting school season-records for pass completion percentage (70.1), yards passing (3,256) and touchdown passes (36). He finished second nationally with a 171.51 passing efficiency rating and ranked fifth with an average of 302.92 yards per game in total offense. His 3,635 yards in total offense is the second-highest season total in school history.

In 2006, Johnson received consensus All-American and unanimous All-Pioneer Football League first-team recognition. The Division 1-AA Offensive Player of the Year by The NFL Draft Report was also selected the PFL's Offensive Player of the Year. He led the nation with a 169.02 passing efficiency rating, an average of 333.67 yards per game in total offense, 3,320 yards passing and 24.33 points per game that he was responsible for.

Johnson connected on 246-of-371 passes (66.3%) with 34 touchdowns and only five interceptions. He picked up 720 yards with 11 scores on 107 carries (6.7 avg) and caught two passes for 27 yards and a touchdown. He participated in 478 plays, as his 4,040 yards in total offense rank 15th on the NCAA FCS/1-AA season-record list.

Johnson earned the team's MVP award following the 2007 season. He finished third in the Walter Payton Award voting while throwing a school-record 43 touchdown passes. He led the nation in total offense, passing efficiency and points responsible for.

Johnson finished his career as the NCAA's all-time leader in passing efficiency at 176.7.

ANALYSIS

STRENGTHS

 Positives: Has a lean, angular frame that needs to add more bulk, but shows no loss in quickness after increasing his weight by 10 pounds from his junior to senior seasons... Has a tight abdomen, toned thighs and calves, adequate arm length and minimal body fat...Quick, mobile scrambler with above average balance and body control to make all the throws when on the move...Possesses that second gear needed to elude when rushing past the line of scrimmage and the vision to locate the cutback lanes... Very smooth in his retreat from center to his throwing point, demonstrating the slide-and-adjust agility to step up in the pocket or roll out to avoid pressure...Shows very good knee bend and the ability to weave through traffic, making a good effort to provide ball security before heading up field...Capable of handling the mental aspect of the game, as he makes all of the required reads and checks to excel in a pass-oriented offense...Won't hesitate to square his shoulders and drive his legs to gain tough yardage up the middle rather than passively head to the sidelines to avoid any contact...Doesn't force the ball into traffic and can keep defenses honest with his long-range arm strength or ability to weave in and out of traffic as a ball carrier...With his body control, agility and hip flexibility, he is quick driving back from center, doing a nice job of setting his feet in either 3-step or 5-step drops...Gets to his throwing point fluidly and has the balance to make all the throws on the run...Nimble and agile rolling out of the pocket and has the balance to step up and avoid pocket pressure...While patient waiting for the plays to develop, he is not the type who will hold on to the ball too long and then try to force the action to make the play, as he knows when he needs to throw the ball away...Demonstrates the compact delivery and throwing motion, along with the wrist flick, to get the ball out cleanly and quickly. He has a compact motion, holding the ball chest-high to execute a fluid three-quarter release...Seems more comfortable airing the ball out, rather than playing dink-and-dunk with a short-area passing game (accuracy is a bit off on screens, wheel routes)...Effective at throwing ropes 40 yards downfield with ease...Accurate throwing from the pocket and has the balance to also make those throws on the move...Consistent setting his feet and shows good mechanics delivering the ball on time...Likes to air the ball out more than stay underneath, as he knows how to get the ball to his targets in stride rather than have them wait or come back for it...Keeps his cool under pressure and knows that when all else fails, he has the feet to step up and avoid the pocket pressure...Stands tough under duress and shows confidence in his ability to execute the play...Patient waiting for plays to develop and does a very good job with ball security...Vocal on the field, demonstrating a little bit of Brett Favre with his bravado...Capable of getting big yardage with his feet and is a dangerous threat running with the ball...As a ballcarrier, he shows good strength and body lean to gain additional yardage after the initial hit and is conscious of protecting the ball and shielding it from the defenders...Builds to top acceleration nicely and is alert to coverages (won't run into spots too often)...Knows how to get the ball to his deep targets over their outside shoulder without the receiver having to adjust. Negatives: Needs to add more bulk and has just adequate height for a drop-back position, but does a good job of scanning the field and his mobility could be an asset in a spread offense...Must work on his timing a bit (needs to take a bit off those tosses to make it easier for the receiver to secure without having to adjust), but has the vision to scan the field and make good progression reads...Gets the ball through the throwing arc well and has a lively arm, but needs to learn how to vary his speed at times (puts too much zip on his short throws)...Has good arm strength, but when he fails to set his feet properly, his throws will wobble...Has not faced as many complex defenses as he will experience in the NFL, but he shows good anticipation and timing making all of his throws. Compares To:RANDALL CUNNINGHAM-ex-Philadelphia (1986-95), Minnesota (97-99), Dallas (2000), Baltimore (2001)...Like Cunningham, Johnson's athletic ability separates him from the rest of this quarterback crop. He is not as big or strong as Randall, but has the same body control, balance and scrambling ability that forces defenses to account for not only his arm, but also his feet. He will need to add more bulk to compete at the next level, but with his developing arm strength and excellent vision, he would be an ideal fit for a West Coast/spread offense.
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it's called being proactive.  they understand another qb can get hurt this saturday and are lining up potential replacements.  they're just trying to get through the first month before geno returns when they'll have more depth.  

Good point on potential injuries. I don't think Flynn is gonna see the field this week, so it'll be Fitzpatrick playing into the third quarter (probably) and Petty the rest of the way. That's a lot of exposure in what's generally a hard hitting preseason game. 

I do also think it says a little something about what they think of Flynn so far, though. If Fitzpatrick gets thru Saturday, I'd sit him the last game and start Flynn instead. See how he's doing - if he's ready. 

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Other than he sucks, anyone know why Cincy cut the kid?

Josh Johnson was drafted by Jon Gruden in Tampa.  It was no surprise his brother, Jay, signed him in Cinci to back up Dalton in 2013.  Jay has since left and went to the redskins, but their drafted bck-up, AJ McCaron was on IR last year, the entire season, so the Bengals kept Johnson on the roster last season also.  After AJ looked healthy in the first preseason game, they immediately cut Josh Johnson rather than keeping an 8 year vet who hasnt thrown a pass in a pro game since 2011 on the roster...

the Bengals are 1 of many teams that only keep 2 QBs on the roster...Keith Wenning will be their developmental QB that gets cut and sits on their practice squad this year.

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Several ways this makes sense 

 

1) They are planning to IR-DFR Geno Smith 

2) They are planning to taxi squad Bryce Petty

3) They aren't getting anything out of Matt Flynn, his injury maybe worse than expected? 

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