southparkcpa Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Whether I think he cheated or not really doesnt make a difference. The real problem with the NFL isnt Tom Brady, its the NFL itself. The fact that every game guys like Brady are protected shows that the NFL has become more "entertainment" than an actual sport because the NFL now gears and influences results with favoritism in its refereeing. You protect/favor this guy for years and then want to turn around and suspend him because he now feels "invincible". It was the NFL that has allowed this. This is what happens when you "burn tapes" and ignore other fraudulent activity while favoring them even further with protection through the referees. I think that this is a win/win for the Jets, because maybe the NFL will not coddle and protect Brady and sway every decision the way of the Patriots simply because its "the Patriots" as they've been doing. Maybe those close games the Jets have had will end up being W's. Maybe all the teams that play the Pats will have a fair opportunity in regards to the Refs. So I definitely prefer Brady on the field the entire season, but more importantly I prefer the referees to call an honest game and quit it with the 15 yard penalties because you looked at Tom Brady wrong. Absolutely a joke. You cant convince me that refs are told..."When in doubt" protect the face of the game...Brady, Rogers, Manning etc...." Its becoming WWE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LouisvilleSlugger25 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Jane McManus @janesports 4m4 minutes ago Ultimately, this damages the NFL's ability to be firm when it comes to discipline in cases of off-field violence like Rice and Hardy. AND SHELDON RICHARDSON. See you week 5 Sheldon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaJet Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Hope the jets learn well from this: Cheaters Win, and the NFL has more power to ban casual pot smokers than it does career-long repetitive cheaters who destroy what little competative integrity this "sport" has left. Exactly! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Fan RI Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 I'm an attorney in real life. Let me tell you something most people don't know about Judges. Most of them don't really know a lot about the law outside of whatever area they specialized in. Most Judge's rulings aren't based on the law or merits of the case they are based on fear of being overturned on appeal. Isn't that exactly why he should have ruled the other way? Wouldn't it have been easier to uphold the CBA rather than to nullify it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Only consolation prize, for now, is that they lost their first and fourth picks. That is what I have to keep telling myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 AND SHELDON RICHARDSON. See you week 5 Sheldon. Yep. No more additional suspension for Sheldon Richardson. If they do, appeal immediately Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Hope the jets learn well from this: Cheaters Win, and the NFL has more power to ban casual pot smokers than it does career-long repetitive cheaters who destroy what little competative integrity this "sport" has left. it's ridiculous really.. so much so you can only laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Haha exactly. Judge's problem with all of this was that Goodell seemingly makes up penalties out of thin air that aren't explicitly in the CBA. The whole "you can only appeal to the commisioner" thing had zero meaning in his eyes. The NFLPA Collective Bargaining Agreement is 316 pages long. Guess how many of those pages contain provisions regarding player discipline? 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 And the biggest point of all... Jane McManus @janesports 2m2 minutes ago And this will affect the NFL's ratings not one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Absolutely a joke. You cant convince me that refs are told..."When in doubt" protect the face of the game...Brady, Rogers, Manning etc...." Its becoming WWE You absolutely KNOW they were. better yet, the NFL is powerless to reverse it now, anything they say that amounts to "don't over-protect Brady anymore" will be tantamount to the NEXT lawsuit Brady and the NFLPA will win, and the NFL isn;t as smart as Brady, they'll leave evidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 ...... HEY STEELERS! You're playing the Pats next Thursday and Bernard Pollard is currently a free agent.... I'm just sayin'..... Make it happen Tanny! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Hope the jets learn well from this: Cheaters Win I called Directv to cancel the ticket a couple weeks ago. The reason I gave was because Tom Brady lied to me. I stand by that decision. the NFL is like boxing. People get hurt and that part is real but the outcomes are often fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 AND SHELDON RICHARDSON. See you week 5 Sheldon. I think Sheldon is a moron and belongs in jail. With that said, if he isn;t on the phone to his lawyer, today, to file suit against the NFL....he really IS a moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 krafty's drunken victory presser is going to be epic, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Isn't that exactly why he should have ruled the other way? Wouldn't it have been easier to uphold the CBA rather than to nullify it? No. The evidence against Brady was weak and circumstantial. Plus he never received a notice of proposed suspension letter so technically there was a due process violation. and if you look at the relevant charge in the CBA the max penalty is $1770. Roger Goodell is laughably incompetent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 krafty's drunken victory presser is going to be epic, lol The Smug will be Epic. Have a feeling Pats Fans will be rather mouthy again real soon too. Pats Fan forum spam inbound in 3...2...1.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 And the biggest point of all... Jane McManus @janesports 2m2 minutes ago And this will affect the NFL's ratings not one bit. It won't affect the ratings. But I find it hard to fathom that some of the NFL owners are not too thrilled by this outcome. They are the backing money sources and the people who have the most to lose if the NFL loses its luster. Hit them in the wallet and sh*t starts hitting the fan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Well if Sheldon Richardson is pleading Not Guilty in court, the thought of appealing may have already crossed his mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Fan RI Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 no they have to fight this precedent. I don't know what they would appeal on tho the major mistake to me is letting the NFL's top lawyer read and edit the wells report before it was released, then not letting brady's lawyers ask him questions. that looks shady, that was a rookie mistake aj feely got busted for doing this and wasn't suspended I'm just going to accept that brady will not be suspended, and kraft will get his picks back How about the obstruction of an investigation? That had nothing to do with notifying Brady about the possible penalties for the actual involvement with the deflation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 The Smug will be Epic. Have a feeling Pats Fans will be rather mouthy again real soon too. Pats Fan forum spam inbound in 3...2...1.... the bets part will be the pats* fans claiming brady is innocent. he is not. this just means the NFLPA has better lawyers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaJet Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Karma is a bitch, Goodell helped Brady and the Pats destroying the evidence on Spygate, I bet he wishes now he would've done that differently. Brady cheats again and probably puts the last nail on Goodells coffin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 No. The evidence against Brady was weak and circumstantial. Plus he never received a notice of proposed suspension letter so technically there was a due process violation. and if you look at the relevant charge in the CBA the max penalty is $1770. Roger Goodell is laughably incompetent. WOW. What a dumbass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 How about the obstruction of an investigation? That had nothing to do with notifying Brady about the possible penalties for the actual involvement with the deflation. brady remains guilty of that, and judge berman did not even mention the balls or the PSI or gas laws this is a procedural issue, the procedures have already happened and were sloppy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 HEY STEELERS! You're playing the Pats next Thursday and Bernard Pollard is currently a free agent.... I'm just sayin'..... Make it happen Tanny! No can do they made a rule about that just for Brady. Carson Palmer in a playoff game gets put our for the year......nothing. Brady gets hit and hurt, new rule almost immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Fan RI Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 No. The evidence against Brady was weak and circumstantial. Plus he never received a notice of proposed suspension letter so technically there was a due process violation. and if you look at the relevant charge in the CBA the max penalty is $1770. Roger Goodell is laughably incompetent. That's the max penalty for obstructing an investigation? For destroying evidence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 they forgot to mail brady a ******* letter ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UnitedWhofans Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 That's the max penalty for obstructing an investigation? For destroying evidence? It looks like both sides were guilty of that if Brady wasn't allowed to cross NFL attorneys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 It is scary how people just don't get it: 1. This was a systematic cheating process - Indy was NOT the only game in which they did it. 2. Most importantly, it is simply not a standard to view all cheating as to "who would have won anyway but for the cheating"? How the hell do you run a league or any organization that way? If a teacher catches someone cheating on a test do they say "well you would have passed anyway" and look the other way? Goodell is a total moron, but I will never fault him for trying to punish an organization that systematically cheats at every opportunity. Or getting caught with an Ace up your sleeve in the old Flamigo Hotel Casino run by Bugsey Seigel and telling the boys in the back room "I would've won that hand without the Ace anyway" Haha exactly. Judge's problem with all of this was that Goodell seemingly makes up penalties out of thin air that aren't explicitly in the CBA. The whole "you can only appeal to the commisioner" thing had zero meaning in his eyes. There is no doubt that's exactly what Goodell does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 No. The evidence against Brady was weak and circumstantial. Plus he never received a notice of proposed suspension letter so technically there was a due process violation. and if you look at the relevant charge in the CBA the max penalty is $1770. Roger Goodell is laughably incompetent. Only because it was not a true investigation with any teeth or any ability to supeona or get affidavits or testimony under oath. That is the big issue with me. The NFL is under a certain set of rules as far as how or what they can investigate. They made a ruling based on that. now the Courts get involved and set aside the punishment but the NFL has not been allowed or has failed to follow up on further proof gathering. The moment this went in front of a judge and the NFL was asked to present it's case it should have been allowed all avenues of investigation. this includes pressing Brady on every aspect but more importantly having the ball handlers under oath in court or having to provide an affidavit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 That's the max penalty for obstructing an investigation? For destroying evidence? the relevant charge is losing, altering or destroying club equipment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Absolutely a joke. You cant convince me that refs are told..."When in doubt" protect the face of the game...Brady, Rogers, Manning etc...." Its becoming WWE lol Yeah, WWE is a very good comparison with some of the calls/non-calls that I've seen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75YPZmpp1Wk And this endless classic..."Walt, this is a BIG PLAY". lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Fan RI Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 brady remains guilty of that, and judge berman did not even mention the balls or the PSI or gas laws this is a procedural issue, the procedures have already happened and were sloppy But since the basis of vacating the suspension was that Brady was not notified of the possible penalties for deflating balls, and the obstruction (and evidence destruction) aspects have nothing to do with notification, doesn't that form the basis for an appeal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 As far as I am concerned, this violates the contract between the union and the league. The contract calls for binding arbitration. Is the Players Union going to kick Brady out for going off the reservation? Will the owners now nitpick the contract for anything that might be questionable and take the union to court? See, judges should not involve themselves where binding arbitration has been agreed upon. Judges are getting way too big for their britches. And how is destroying cell phone evidence after the phone has been requested not damning? That is solid circumstantial evidence. Regardless, the courts should not have been brought into this. I see future sparks flying between ownership and the players. And the players will be the ones who suffer. They always cave. They can thank Selfish Tom for that. No matter what the court says, Brady and the public still know that he cheated. And the league will have it in big time for New England moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 You absolutely KNOW they were. better yet, the NFL is powerless to reverse it now, anything they say that amounts to "don't over-protect Brady anymore" will be tantamount to the NEXT lawsuit Brady and the NFLPA will win, and the NFL isn;t as smart as Brady, they'll leave evidence. yep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 the bets part will be the pats* fans claiming brady is innocent. he is not. this just means the NFLPA has better lawyers They absolutely believe he did nothing wrong........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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