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they are playing a playoff game tonight, should they be talking Jets bye week?

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I don't have children... but if I did, I would not let my son play American Football either.  It doesn't mean those boys will want to play baseball,  aka the American Naptime.

you have a soccer avatar and you are talking about boring sports? doesn't get more boring than soccer.

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Opinions vary.  Even so...  the other football has no commercial breaks except halftime, and a match only lasts 1 hour and 45 minutes.  Baseball lasts 3-3.5 hours with constant interruptions.   High quality football has a sophistication and beauty beyond some.  Too bad.

the only thing I like about soccer is no commercials.  baseball does last too long as most sports do. 

 

football is the best sport and is constantly interrupted by commercials.

 

it is certainly beyond me, I don't find it appealing to watch 3 shots on goal in a game and half the time players walking around a giant field.  the world cup can be fun like the olympics are to gymnastics and swimming but other than that it's a bore even w/o commercials.

 

there's something wrong w/ a sport that can decide it's highest championship w/ a penalty kick shootout.  that would be like the SB being decided by a FG kicking contest.

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soccer is boring but it's a very simple game and the games are short which is perfect for this new millenial generation which doesn't know what the inside of a library looks like and considers Justin Bieber to be an artist.

The NFL and MLB both are going to be dumpster fires 20 years from now when they have no talent because parents won't let their kids play football and baseball has no popularity.

 

 

NFL maybe but why aren't parents allowing their kids to play baseball?  it's more popular now than it has been in my lifetime and once people realize that heading the ball in soccer can produce the same brain injuries as football what will happen then?

I have young kids, my son will eventually play football but is playing soccer for now and I will not allow him to head a ball.

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the problem with baseball isn't so much the parents it's the kids not showing as much interest.  Soccer and, unfortunately, MMA, are exploding in popularity

soccer has always been very popular w/ kids, especially early on when many aren't coordinated enough to play regular sports.

baseball doesn't rely upon American kids.

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"Football" requires high levels of coordination.  It doesn't look like it until you get way beyond the "bumblebee swarm kids soccer."  And many of those kids you refer to are now grown up football fans with kids of their own playing, watching and attending matches.

please stop calling soccer football.

 

soccer at a high level requires coordination, not for 5 year olds.

 

soccer is popular in about 3 places- KC, Portland and Seattle.  other than those places attendance isn't good anywhere else.  I notice when the NYCSC games are on TV they never move the camera to get shots of the crowd, they show the good seats filled but never pan up or around to see all the empty seats.

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I disagree.

MLS had a higher average attendance than the NBA and NHL last year.  While teams like Seattle boosted the average, each league has a few teams that pick-up attendance.

Your NYCFC example is bad as well.  MLS should be played in smaller stadiums.  Sporting KC looks packed because Sporting Park is small.  If NYCFC was playing in a 27K stadium like they average, it would be a lot more like a soccer environment than in a stadium with 22K empty seats.

I get people do not like soccer, but to say it is popular in three places is ignorant.   Soccer is here and it is here to stay.

they play in larger stadiums and give away free tickets.  that stuff is all inflated.

 

NYCSC is supposedly building a stadium but the red bulls built a tiny stadium and it is always empty.

 

I was discussing in this country as far as MLS attendance.  soccer is more popular than ever in the US but it's still not popular.

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They play/played in larger stadiums because it was easy for stadium owners to bank money while their stadiums sat empty between football seasons.

Red Bulls average 20K.   Not exactly empty.

MLS wants to have soccer specific stadiums.  14 teams do.  Their product looks better in a soccer specific stadium.  As you said, NYCFC looks  bad when a stadium is half empty event though they have one of the highest averages.

 

those are inflated #s, there is no way they average 20k when the stadium only holds about 20k. 

 

they should have 10-20K seat soccer only stadiums.  NYCSC will have one at some point but half the thrill of watching that team is watching them in Yankee Stadium.

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What are you talking about baseball doesn't rely on American kids?  America is still the biggest talent pool even with other countries supplying players.  Soccer is exploding in popularity in this country because the newer generations of kids are being pussified.  Go to a Sounders game in Seattle with 75,000 people at Centurylink Field. 

 

soccer is more popular, it is not "exploding".  MLB is filled w/ foreign players but there will always be a high percentage of Americans.

In Seattle they love soccer for some reason, I don't get it.  they also love it in Portland, it must be a NW thing.

 

 

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Red Bull Arena sits 25K which is perfect for a soccer stadium.

If the league is averaging 19K, then 20K stadiums should be the starting point.

While I understand your point about Yankee Stadium, it is not even the original stadium.  Plus, it is not designed for a soccer field. 

I understsnd that but seeing another sport in yankee Stadium is interesting to people.

 

20-25 K should be tops for MOST teams, some places like Seattle can support more but most need stadiums w/ the capacity of Arenas.

 

baseball isn't going anywhere, football isn't going anywhere.  until our best athletes play soccer it won't even be in the discussion w/ the major sports. 

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No doubt.

I agree and disagree with your last two points.  

I agree that Football is the king and baseball has been around for almost 150 years.

I disagree on the athlete part.  Soccer players are athletes and I think due to the growth of the game over the last 50 years, soccer is seeing better athletes now.

 

I am not saying soccer players aren't good/great athletes.  what I am saying is our best athletes in this Country play football and basketball not any of the other sports for the most part. 

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I still like baseball, but don't follow it the way I used to. What is now apparent is MLB makes money because for almost 3 months it's the only sports programming in North America. But it's all become too damn much. the season and the games are too long, and the wildcard nonsense is out of hand. You could've ended the season a week or 2 ago and there wouldn't have been any real change in the standings.Having this September death march  is pointless.  And the ratings and interest compared to the NFL and college football head to head is not even close. 

We discussed this a bit during the World Cup, and I've come around to thinking that may be not in my lifetime but sometime midcentury soccer could  surpass baseball in popularity in this country.It will take better developmental programs than we have now. But look at it in these terms; the 1980 US win in Olympic hockey grew that game by leaps and bounds in the US in a few decades. Soccer needs something like that, the US to have a serious WC run.

One big issue that's a double-edged sword ; Latino players in the US. The idea that tomorrow night in the Rose Bowl the US team will be treated like visitors in their own country vs. Mexico hurts, a lot. In any other sport, that would be unthinkable. 

I don't see that happening until our best athletes stop playing basketball and football and start playing soccer.  when that happens we'll have a chance to win a WC and then I can see the sport growing into a major sport here.

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"Pussified" you say?  Baseball is way more vaginal than "football. "  Pansies are outta breath after running a lousy 90 feet and spend two weeks on the DL for a broken nail.  Now I ask you, which is the real sissy sport?

Oh wait... I forgot about the bloody sock.  (eyeroll)

 

soccer is.

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Judging strictly from the people I know my age (20-30) .... 0% of them have any appreciation for baseball. It's their daddy's sport.

Football is #1, Hockey is fast on the rise at #2 and baseball is in a tie with basketball at #3... Basketball would probably be more popular in NY if the Knicks and Nets were any good.

Once the old guard dies out it's a wrap for baseball. 

Hockey at #2? where? in Canada?  hockey isn't even in the discussion w/ basketball and baseball. 

 

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I have a hard time believing the NHL is more popular than college basketball.  ratings tell me otherwise.

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and the numbers for golf, which is on every weekend are better than regular season hockey.  

Which is why hockey is rarely on and gold is on all the time.  They don't put shows that don't draw on in place of those that do.

the WNBA has similar ratings to hockey:D

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