BlakeSpenceBlockedPunt Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 Another hallmark of Tanny's tenure - losing quality coaches. The erosion of coaching talent was a huge issue under Tanny. It's happening again in Miami. Poor coaching = poor playing. Coaching matters in NFL and Tanny can't keep good ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I go by what Lucas and others said, that there's no way a HC can walk into that locker after what Sanchez had put out his last few seasons, his career and tell them we can win with Sanchez. Plus I don't see Rex throwing his starter out the there in that spot vs the Giants. Outside of all the jokes don't see it. of course we'll never know but think he's run had mercifully ended for each side a year earlier I don't know. Lucas often speaks in generalities (all commentators do) with terms & sayings like "never", "no way", "always", "every single time" etc. And it's based on emotion. You weren't here at the time, but I was no fan of Sanchez at all, no matter how much I hoped he would just "get it" and gain consistency from the obvious talents he had. But bad as he usually was, he wasn't literally the worst QB in NFL history. There are others worse. One doesn't simply hand a clearly undeserving person a job because he's not the _______ in an "anyone but ______" rationale. And we just disagree. None of us know for sure, but yes I think that it is consistent with Ryan's personality to be that cocky to put him in that situation because the odds really are small that he would sustain a season-ending injury in those last couple of minutes of a preseason game. Things have to happen just such a way. Sometimes that happens (like in this case). But it was pretty unlikely. Much more likely, in Ryan's mind (or so I think), is he wouldn't get injured, and he would look like a man among boys against backup losers. In doing so, the controversy of Sanchez vs. Geno would have been ended very neatly for him. Not only would he "win" the battle of wills, it could have been such an obvious decision that he would render himself blameless if he chose incorrectly (i.e. it's the same decision anyone would have made given the circumstances). Last: if, with a straight face, he can bring himself to tell anyone he can win with a totally unready Geno and a depleted roster, then he can say the same thing with Sanchez and a depleted roster. It was a crap roster full of players and he was still talking them up like they had the upcoming SB winner as it was that summer. So he would have no problem making such a case to his team or the media or anyone. It's his thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 He was injured. So the GM who drafted him was incompetent for cutting him. Wasn't for drafting Sanchez though. Nice spin. This would be the GM who largely was fired for extending Sanckez. And as to punctuate your imaginary Jet world, the HC who benched him, handed his job to Geno, who has this long history of QB success wanted him based on handing his job to a rookie? Or all the support he gave Mark that preseason giving his job away. Never backing Mark. They all were on the same page. They realized Sanchez sucked and couldn't ttrade him because every other FO agreed. he was injured b/c the GM had this sham competition going btw him and geno when the reality was Geno was not ready to play and mark was the far better option. The HC did not hand the job to Geno, he was being forced into it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Another hallmark of Tanny's tenure - losing quality coaches. The erosion of coaching talent was a huge issue under Tanny. It's happening again in Miami. Poor coaching = poor playing. Coaching matters in NFL and Tanny can't keep good ones. erosion of coaching talent? he went from Mangini to Rex, that was a big upgrade. In Miami he didn't hire any of the coaches so how is "it" happening again in Miami? the stuff people make up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeSpenceBlockedPunt Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 Hey NYJUNC - Do you know who our defensive coordinator is? He didn't have to be let out of his contract to come with Bowles to NY. Tanny let him out. And you should go and take a look at how long Tanny has been involved down there. He was consulting with them for the 2014 season, got hired for the 2015 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Hey NYJUNC - Do you know who our defensive coordinator is? He didn't have to be let out of his contract to come with Bowles to NY. Tanny let him out. And you should go and take a look at how long Tanny has been involved down there. He was consulting with them for the 2014 season, got hired for the 2015 season. You know that was a Philbin decision, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Tannenbaum would have rebuilt the team, Rex would have coached everybody up, Sanchez would have been the starter, all of them would have won us multiple SBs if we hadnt of gotten rid of them. Welcome to Realitypod, a podcast about reality. Im your host nyjunc Hilarious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Hey NYJUNC - Do you know who our defensive coordinator is? He didn't have to be let out of his contract to come with Bowles to NY. Tanny let him out. And you should go and take a look at how long Tanny has been involved down there. He was consulting with them for the 2014 season, got hired for the 2015 season. That Philbin mess long predated Tannenbaum. The Incognito crap happened in 2013. I'm not sure how they had the balls to keep him for another year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlakeSpenceBlockedPunt Posted October 9, 2015 Author Share Posted October 9, 2015 Took a look. Mangini with Jets. 23-26. Rex with Jets. 50-52. Mangini averaged 7.5 win a year, Rex 7.8. Huge upgrade going to Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 he was injured b/c the GM had this sham competition going btw him and geno when the reality was Geno was not ready to play and mark was the far better option. The HC did not hand the job to Geno, he was being forced into it. the GM is to blame. Sure. And the HC wanted Sanchez. But was forced into playing Geno. Lol, you just make it up as you go along to make your argument. Believe what you want, it's your fantasy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 the GM is to blame. Sure. And the HC wanted Sanchez. Believe what you want. are you saying Rex wanted Geno? knowing his job was on the line he wanted to play a rookie QB that clearly was not ready to play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Took a look. Mangini with Jets. 23-26. Rex with Jets. 50-52. Mangini averaged 7.5 win a year, Rex 7.8. Huge upgrade going to Rex. um hi ever heard of a little thing called playoffs ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Took a look. Mangini with Jets. 23-26. Rex with Jets. 50-52. Mangini averaged 7.5 win a year, Rex 7.8. Huge upgrade going to Rex. why would we factor in FOUR playoff wins(most by any coach in Jets HISTORY and 4 MORE than mangini)? by the way, in 2008 w/ almost the same team and a HOFer at QB against a weaker sched w/ no Tom Brady around we missed the playoffs, in 2009 w/ an up and down rookie and rex we made the AFC Championship Game but yeah there wasn't much difference btw the great Mangini and lowly Rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 are you saying Rex wanted Geno? knowing his job was on the line he wanted to play a rookie QB that clearly was not ready to play? Rex's job was on the line because Sanchez didn't develop into a top half QB. Rex was done counting on Mark to improve enough to be a starting NFL QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Rex's job was on the line because Sanchez didn't develop into a top half QB. Rex was done counting on Mark to improve enough to be a starting NFL QB. Mark only had ONE bad season, a season where Chaz Schilens, Stephen hill and Clyde Gates were his main weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Mark only had ONE bad season, a season where Chaz Schilens, Stephen hill and Clyde Gates were his main weapons. OMG, only one bad season? Lol. He never had one good season. He was as pathetic a QB to play in the NFL for as long as he did unchallenged. You need to stop staring into his eyes when you type how good he was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Mark only had ONE bad season, a season where Chaz Schilens, Stephen hill and Clyde Gates were his main weapons. Realitytown, U.S.A. Population: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 OMG, only one bad season? Lol. He never had one good season. He was as pathetic a QB to play in the NFL as long as he did unchallenged. You need to stop staring into his eyes when you type how good he was. Realitytown, U.S.A. Population: 1 sorry guys, whiny fans don't dictate whether players are good or not. the reality is he was terrible only in 2012 and w/ the talent and coaching he had that season no QB would have succeeded. 2009 he had a good rookie season then stepped up in postseason 2010 he was really good 2011 he took a step back, was mid of the pack 2012 he was awful. that is ONE bad season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Took a look. Mangini with Jets. 23-26. Rex with Jets. 50-52. Mangini averaged 7.5 win a year, Rex 7.8. Huge upgrade going to Rex. Mangini's QBs were Pennington and Favre. Whatever anyone thinks of Pennington, he was lightyears ahead of Rex's QBs. Mangini was horrible. In the running for the worst coach the Jets ever had. He's definitely in the top 3. And not only did he suck, but prior to Favre (and post Favre's arm falling off) the Jets were never more boring than they were under his alleged leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Mangini's QBs were Pennington and Favre. Whatever anyone thinks of Pennington, he was lightyears ahead of Rex's QBs. Mangini was horrible. In the running for the worst coach the Jets ever had. He's definitely in the top 3. And not only did he suck, but prior to Favre (and post Favre's arm falling off) the Jets were never more boring than they were under his alleged leadership. I wouldn't go that crazy, we have had some bad coaches. no way he is bottom 3 but he is also nowhere near rex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 sorry guys, whiny fans don't dictate whether players are good or not. the reality is he was terrible only in 2012 and w/ the talent and coaching he had that season no QB would have succeeded. 2009 he had a good rookie season then stepped up in postseason 2010 he was really good 2011 he took a step back, was mid of the pack 2012 he was awful. that is ONE bad season. Totally delusional. calling Sanchez what he was, a horrible QB doesn't make you a whiny. It just means we know the game better than anyone who thinks Sanchez ever was really good. Or took a step back to middle of the pack. You didn't seriously say this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Mangini's QBs were Pennington and Favre. Whatever anyone thinks of Pennington, he was lightyears ahead of Rex's QBs. Mangini was horrible. In the running for the worst coach the Jets ever had. He's definitely in the top 3. And not only did he suck, but prior to Favre (and post Favre's arm falling off) the Jets were never more boring than they were under his alleged leadership. Kotite, Charlie Winner, Lou Holtz have him beat by a pretty wide margin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 sorry guys, whiny fans don't dictate whether players are good or not. the reality is he was terrible only in 2012 and w/ the talent and coaching he had that season no QB would have succeeded. 2009 he had a good rookie season then stepped up in postseason 2010 he was really good 2011 he took a step back, was mid of the pack 2012 he was awful. that is ONE bad season. Dispatches from the Front Lines of Reality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Kotite, Charlie Winner, Lou Holtz have him beat by a pretty wide margin I disagree, but he's no lower than #4 even if I did. Mangini was horrendous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 OMG, only one bad season? Lol. He never had one good season. He was as pathetic a QB to play in the NFL for as long as he did unchallenged. You need to stop staring into his eyes when you type how good he was. 2010 he played well.... That's it. tHe fact that he can't get on the field in Philly speaks volumes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I disagree, but he's no lower than #4 even if I did. Mangini was horrendous. I was stumped when he mentioned Charlie Winner...... But Holtz and Kotite are worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 2010 he played well.... That's it. tHe fact that he can't get on the field in Philly speaks volumes. that has more to do w/ the HC thinking he got a steal in Bradford and not being able to admit he made a mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Totally delusional. calling Sanchez what he was, a horrible QB doesn't make you a whiny. It just means we know the game better than anyone who thinks Sanchez ever was really good. Or took a step back to middle of the pack. You didn't seriously say this. you know nothing about this game, all you know is fantasy stats and blind #s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Kotite, Charlie Winner, Lou Holtz have him beat by a pretty wide margin Al Groh, Joe Walton, Bruce Coslet, Pete Carroll,... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 that has more to do w/ the HC thinking he got a steal in Bradford and not being able to admit he made a mistake. Please take Marks likeness out of your mouth.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Al Groh, Joe Walton, Bruce Coslet, Pete Carroll,... Were worse than Mangini? Seriously? Is this more of your version of reality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Were worse than Mangini? Seriously? Is this more of your version of reality? how were they not worse than Mangini? Coslet never had a winning season Carroll lost the team at 6-5 Groh started 6-1 and couldn't make the playoffs Walton inherited a young, extremely talented team that had just played in the title game and only made 2 postseasons in 7 seasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 I know this has become kind of a cliche at this point but it holds true for me -- when Tannenbaum was making decisions alongside Mangini he more often than not made good decisions. They drafted pretty well (outside of the Gholston disaster) and made good FA moves. When Tannenbaum was making decisions alongside Rex he more often than not made bad decisions. They drafted very poorly, and made some baffling trades/signings (most specifically the Tebow move which effectively ended his tenure here.) Tanny was an aggressive guy with good cap savvy and when he had a smart decision maker to reel him in he wasn't bad. When he had Rex handpicking fullbacks it unraveled quickly. He also traded away too many picks. Hard to sustain depth on the bench and a roster as a whole when you squander picks in trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 how were they not worse than Mangini? Coslet never had a winning season Carroll lost the team at 6-5 Groh started 6-1 and couldn't make the playoffs Walton inherited a young, extremely talented team that had just played in the title game and only made 2 postseasons in 7 seasons Mangini destroyed the team in one year, then had a Favre led mirage that still couldn't save him from being fired by his buddy, Tannenbaum. Way, way worse than Walton, Coslet, and Carroll. I'm no fan of Groh, but he was worse than him, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted October 9, 2015 Share Posted October 9, 2015 Mangini destroyed the team in one year, then had a Favre led mirage that still couldn't save him from being fired by his buddy, Tannenbaum. Way, way worse than Walton, Coslet, and Carroll. I'm no fan of Groh, but he was worse than him, too. we'll disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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